Hi all, so I am confused and looking for some guidance. So I have spent 85 days already in Spain within the last 180 days, and I am planning on going back to Italy for 90 more days. I started my time in middle of September and left at the beginning of December making my 180 day clock reset in March. So my question is if I go back at the beginning of February would I have any trouble leaving at the end of April?
Posted by
Vernon, Canada
32405 posts
World,
I'm not entirely clear on your plans. When you left at the beginning of December, where did you go?
The bottom line is that you can only spend 90 days in any 180 day period in the Schengen zone (and that includes your arrival and departure days). That means if you return to Italy in February, you'd only be able to stay five days.
You may find this helpful.....
Posted by
Lakewood, Colorado
19311 posts
So you've already spent 85 days in Schengen since mid-September. Any way you look at it, you only have 5 days left to spend in Schengen before mid-March.
If you go back at the beginning of February and leave at the end of April, you will have exceeded the maximum time, 90 days, in 180 days.
Another way of looking at it is that on April 30, the last 180 day period started about Nov. 1. You can only have been in Schengen 90 days during that period, But when you left at the beginning of December, you had been in Schengen for 30 days since Nov 1, so you can only be in Schengen for 60 more days before the end of April.
Posted by
Oregon
650 posts
There is no resetting:
The new definition simplifies the calculation, and is based on a “rolling” 180 days from the date of entry. This means on any given day, you need to look back to the previous 180 days, and you must not have stayed in the Schengen zone for more than 90 days in that period, including entry and exit dates.
http://www.schengen-calculator.com/about
You can use this calculator to figure out any past or future trip. http://www.schengen-calculator.com/visits
Posted by
Pa and Italy
4152 posts
There is no "re-setting". 180 days is 180 days. If you've been in the schengen area for 85 days since September you can only stay an additional 5 days until March. At the 180 day point from your first entry in September you'll be allowed to stay another 90 days. The clock doesn't reset just because you leave for a month.
So to answer your question, yes you'll have issues trying to stay until April. If you go back at the beginning of February you'll be required to leave 5 days later and won't be allowed back until sometime in March, that date is dependent upon when you first entered the schengen zone in September.
Donna
Posted by
Basel, Switzerland
8889 posts
As others have said, there is no resetting. It is a rolling calculation. Non-Schengen/EU citizens without a visa are not, at any point. allowed to be in the Schengen Area more than 90 in the last 180 days. This is re-calculated EVERY DAY.
Think of it as a conveyor belt, 180 days long. For every day you are in Schengen, a brick is added to the start of the conveyor. After 180 days the brick falls off the other end. You are not allowed to have more than 90 bricks on the conveyor at any time.
You have 85 bricks on your conveyor, and the first will not fall off until March. Until then, you can only add another 5 bricks. But, once the magic day in March arrives, a brick will fall off the other end, and you can add a new brick. So, you can go back on (date in March)-4 days. 4 bricks get added, up to 89, then, as fast as you add bricks they are falling off the other end, so you are OK.
Hope that makes sense.
Posted by
Tresana, Highlands Ranch, CO, USA
23671 posts
Don't treat this lightly. It is easy to think this is no big deal but it is. There have been reports here of a $500 fine for one day over. Someone else stayed over two weeks and was ban from re-entering for two years. With all of the recent events, the border crossing are getting tighter. I have a fairly well used passport with lots of stamps. Last May I was depart France when the immigration office could not find my entry stamp. He did find one that was over a year old and I could tell he was getting very interesting. As he continue to look through the pages the second time, he started asking very pointed questions about the exact date, time, point of entry, what had I been doing, etc. etc. He finally found the correct entry stamp but by that time he was fairly grumpy. In the future I am going to tag the page with the entry stamp just to make it easy. But that is closest checking that we have ever encountered.
So if you want to continue to be a World Traveler then get it right.