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Problems Trying to locate Train Schedule/Pricing for Italy Trip

My trip isn't until Sept., but am trying to get a feel for schedules and pricing. (I know they don't have Sept. info yet - so I was just using July dates to get an idea.)
- Rome to Florence
- Florence to Vernazza (understand that this involves changing trains in Pisa and La Spezia)
- Vernazza to Venice (understand that I will need to do train changes here too...probably Milan?)

I have tried using the websites for Trenitalia, Bahn, Eurorail and Italio with little or no success.
Can't get pricing from Bahn site, but can see schedules (even when I CAN'T get schedules on Trenitalia).
Pricing for Rome-Florence on Trenitalia site is showing 76-116 EUROS (but only $39-$72 on Eurorail)?????
Don't get any 'matches' for trains from Florence to Vernazza, Florence to Pisa, Florence to La Spezia on Trenitalia or Eurorail....
Haven't even tried the Vernazza to Venice leg!
How are all of you doing this???

Posted by
16240 posts

Use a date in the next 7 days.
Regional trains (which are part of your trip) are loaded weekly.
For the Freccia and Intercity (IC) trains, those are the only ones where you can get discounts by purchasing ahead (however they are not refundable if you change plans). You will likely take those along the corridor ROME-FLORENCE-BOLOGNA-VENICE. The reason why you can't see those either is probably because Trenitalia hasn't loaded the summer schedule yet (after Mid-June). For now use a date in the next 7 days. Probably all discounted tickets are gone for the next 7 days, but you'll get an idea of the full fare (BASE price) would be. Economy and Supereconomy tickets offer a 20% to 60% discount over the Base price (but don't forget that those offer no flexibility if you need to make changes or cancellations. There are no refunds).

Posted by
8 posts

Thanks so much! I will try to jump back on the websites and see if I can get something to work!

Posted by
8 posts

Still getting weird things - trip from Rome to Florence on Trenitalia showing up costing 172 Euros....but on Italio it only costs around 40 Euro??? Why??

Posted by
32405 posts

djevans,

First regarding your question on why the prices on Trenitalia may be higher than Italo. If you're searching for trips in the near future, it's likely that the heavily discounted tickets on Trenitalia are completely sold-out, and therefore only Base Fare will be displayed. If you're planning to pre-purchase tickets for the premium trains, you can obtain the cheapest Super Economy or Economy fares by purchasing well in advance. However, keep in mind that will lock you into travelling on a specific train, date and departure time. Tickets are NOT interchangeable with other trains, and if you're caught with an invalid ticket for the train you're riding on you'll face hefty fines which will be collected on the spot! You may find it helpful to have a look at the excellent Ron In Rome website for more information.

Here's a brief summary of your options on the trips you mentioned.....

  • Rome to Florence - travel either via Freccia or Italo high speed trains. Note that Italo uses Roma Tiburtina rather than Termini, so you'll have to depart from a different station. They both use Firenze SMN, so no difference there. The trip will be about 90 minutes at up to 300 kmH. You can buy tickets in advance and perhaps save money (if you buy early enough) or buy at the station from a Kiosk or ticket agent. If you buy just before the trip, you'll most likely be paying Base Fare.
  • Florence to Vernazza - this is a very easy and common route, but will involve a couple of changes. The trains will likely be a combination of premium trains (Freccia, InterCity) as well as Regionale, depending on which particular departure you choose. You can save by purchasing the premium tickets in advance, but again that will lock you into a specific train, date and departure time. If any legs of the trip will be via Regionale, don't bother trying to purchase tickets in advance as there's no difference in price. It's just as easy to buy those at the station, preferably from a Kiosk as the ticket office at Firenze SMN usually has a HUGE queue! It's VERY IMPORTANT to remember that with Regionale tickets, you MUST validate these prior to boarding the train on the day of travel, as those with unvalidated tickets will again face hefty fines collected on the spot! DON'T validate them on the day prior to travel, as they have a "shelf life" once validated and will have expired by the time you use them. The train I'd likely use on that route departs Firenze SMN at 09:28, arriving Vernazza at 12:19 (time 2H:51M, two changes in Pisa and La Spezia, trains Regionale Veloce, FrecciaBianca and Regionale).
  • Vernazza to Venice - again a very easy trip, but will involve several changes. The trip I'd use on that route is a departure from Vernazza at 09:28, arriving Venezia S. Lucia at 14:20 (time 4H:52M, three changes at La Spezia, Pisa and Firenze, trains Regionale Veloce, InterCity, Regionale, FrecciaArgento). That's about the shortest travel time you'll find on that route, and those trains will get you to Venice at a decent hour (for one thing, your room in Venice should have been serviced by then, and there's still time to do some exploring before dinner).

NOTE that when researching these routes, I used an arbitrary date of 15 May, so the schedules may change slightly in September. Use the Trenitalia or bahn.de websites to check these closer to your travel dates. New schedules will be uploaded about mid-June.

You can use either Trenitalia or Italo on the Rome-Florence and Florence-Venice trips, but the other trips will all be via Trenitalia.

Happy travels!

Posted by
19310 posts

Make sure you are comparing apples to apples.

I just checked Trenitalia and Rail Europe for the same train from Rome to Florence, Frecciarossa 9520, for the same date, July 17.

A fully flexible (exchangeable) base fare ticket was $65 on RailEurope, $59 (43€) on Trenitalia.

A standard fare, non-refundable, exchangeable ticket was $44 on RailEurope, $40 (29€) on Trenitalia.

Plus, Trenialia had a non-exchangeable, Super Economy fare of $26 (19€).

Posted by
11613 posts

If you click on the British flag icon on the Trenitalia website, it will translate the page and show all trains (7 days ahead for regionale trains).

Posted by
8 posts

Thanks to everyone for the great information!!

Turns out the reason I was getting such high fares on the Trenitalia site was because I had identified that I needed 4 tickets (which is the size of our party). The Trenitalia site was showing me the TOTAL price for 4 TICKETS...not the individual ticket fare!! Duh!!

The Italio site was showing individual ticket price, so it was (of course) much less! Again...Duh!!

Sorry for the operator error! You were all very helpful!