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Matera - disappointing

After reading about Matera and watching the car chase in No Time to Die many times, I felt I already knew the place - it was essentially a grand ancient city with Sassi caves that date back 9,000 years and a train station where they say goodbye in the movie.

GETTING THERE : First of all, there is no normal train route to the city at all. I read that there is a private train station but never actually saw it. Most trips there involve a bus. From Salerno, it was 3 hours of train and 20 minute bus. From Polignano a Mare, it was 3.5 hours each way. However, if you have a car its only an hour drive.

Furthermore its a pretty large city, and unlike most European cities, the historic place is not the city center. We had an Italian driver who had been there before, and even with google maps, he had to ask multiple locals where the cool place was.

ACTUAL SITE : There is basically a big hill with a church at top, and ramshackle collection of stone homes on the hillside beneath the church (which is ok but not very remarkable). There is another smaller hill facing the church, and the ramshackle dwellings come up that side too. There is something like a historic city center on this other hill with dozens of shops, and a good vantage point to take a picture of the hill with the church.

The thing is that these are not the famous cave dwellings. There are a few caves here in there turned into shops but for the most part, the ramshackle collection of houses are fairly modern - maybe 40-100 years old I would guess. Some are missing roofs and uninhabited, but many are lived in, with potted plants and such. So you are essentially looking at a half restored stone ghetto. You can walk around the little pedestrian roads. Some "estates" are blocked off with gates. The 3 cave shops I saw were pretty unpolished and unattractive.

Its looks somewhat impressive from the vantage point but the entire is not really very picturesque at all. And this is made worse by almost every view having electrical cables strung up blocking a clean shot. You can hike up to the church, and there is a place you can look down from there which is fun to take a look but even les picturesque. We had a coffee at a little cafe before walking back down.

SASSI CAVES : The famous caves you have come to see are a mile or two away. We just saw the area as we were leaving and its a large complex of caves in shallow canyons - but it looked closed to the public. It was fenced off with locked gates. No one was there. It looked cool from what we could see but totally different than the movie and travel photos show. Our guide said it may be possible to trek in there with hiking poles and gear - and indeed the reason these were evacuated in 1952 was because the places are dangerous and possible disease ridden. Perhaps you could overfly it with a drone, but not sure it would look like much. It might be cool if they would build a bridge over the real caves so you could see the actual historical place with safety.

CONCLUSION : So the entire experience was an expensive or time consuming bait-and-switch. I wished we had never come. I don't feel any photo from the day was worthwhile. Maybe I missed something but I left feeling this place was way over-hyped. There seemed to be some place that was selling tickets to see something near the city center vantage point but it did not seem to be open mid-day.

BREAD : We did have the famous local bread - which is ok. Its just a big giant blob of bread. We bought ours fresh from the oven too hot to the touch to eat for 10 minutes. Kind of a hard crust but entire interior was soft and delicious. Flavor was just normal bread flavor. Nothing exotic or different. At 5 eu, a bit expensive perhaps compared to a French baguette.

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I’m sorry but who over hyped it?

Your reason for visiting was because it was in a Bond film? What’s the bait and switch?

You live in LA. Been to Hollywood. That’s the biggest over hyped place in the world. Expectations are that it looks like Beverly Hills, Rodeo drive. It doesn’t. NOT at all!

A film and tv location scout will tell you many places don’t look like what appears on the screen. Its called movie magic, production design. and/or set dressing.

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There is no need to apologize. I will explain it. I have checked several guide books which list it as an important stop. There are also travel articles which give glowing accounts. There is the fact that it (or the actual caves) are UNESCO heritage status. Matera was declared European Capital of Culture for 2019. Then the movie came out, and introduced the place to millions and millions around the world. Together, I would say this city is getting a lot of attention.

No, I never stated that the only reason I went was because of a movie. As I said, I read a number of articles and guide books prior to trip.

I am familiar with movie magic and blue/green screening, etc. Thats not the issue I brought up. Actually I recognized the periphery road from the movie, and possibly the landing spot after the motorcycle jump. But after a few hours of walking, I don't think I saw a city square where the dual mini-guns coming out of the headlight scene was filmed, she sheep in the road scene, nor the bridge he jumps off. However, finding the movie scenes was not really on my mind too much.

I was searching for the famed caves which are written about so much, which seem to be closed to the public, and are not portrayed in the movie at all in any shape or form.

Regarding Hollywood, I am not sure why you think a place with stars on the sidewalks and the famous Chinese theatre with concrete hand prints is like a shopping district a few miles away. But also I am not sure why you are attempting to make this personal as if its your job to refute what I am saying.

I was there hours ago. I am trying to help others in the future who may be considering such a trip.

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Here is the private railroad that comes to Matera but seems to not be connected to any other main rail line

Matera is the terminal station of the Bari–Matera, a narrow gauge railroad managed by Ferrovie Appulo Lucane.

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@claudia: and cinematography?? what is that, chopped liver?? haha, joke!

to each his own i suppose. my experience was the polar opposite. was there in june this year. took the narrow gauge train from bari to matera with a change in altamura. nice, smooth, and cheap ride. matera centrale is modern station. my airbnb was less than 10 minute's walk. spent 2 and a half days there. the old city/center was about 12 minutes away from my lodging. for me, matera was one of the highlights of my nearly 2-month journey from south to central italy and one of the few places that live up to or exceed the hype. loved the serpentine hilly streets. the stone and brick facades and certainly the unexpected and gorgeous views of the cave side of the ravine. the early morning and late afternoon light make for stunning photo-ops. didn't go to all the cave churches but santa maria dei idris and santa maria alle malve were wonderful with lovely frescoes. chiesa di san pietro caveoso is located in a very picturesque spot and again at the right time of the day looks stunning against the deep gorge in the background. actually one of my favorite churches on this entire trip was san giovani batista, a lovely example of puglian romanesque architecture. i walked in one late afternoon and the pools of bright sunlight and deep shadows made me very shutter happy! hiked to the other side of the gorge on another day. about an hour and a half each way. i am not in shape by any means and some clambering over rocks is involved. my knees were hurting for weeks afterward. beautiful vistas of matera town and cool camera angles from inside the caves. had the famous matera bread as a sandwich with an almost black onion-based filling. sorry, can't remember the name. the shop lady said it was the tradition of the region. absolutely delicious! as for being a movie location yes several have been shot there including, 'the passion of christ', and the classic, 'the gospel according to st. matthew'. Interestingly the bridge scene in, 'no time to die' was shot in nearby gravina which i also visited and similar to matera is a stunning jewel but less touristy. if you like take a look at my photos in the link in my profile.

it's interesting how all of us have such unique and sometimes opposing experiences of a place when traveling.

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Personally I found the post amusing since we visited last fall and loved it. We rented a car in Salerno and drove and made many stops along the way including the town where my grandfather lived in as a young boy. We stayed in the historic center and enjoyed exploring each day. Parking wasn't easy since the big lots were full but we found street parking in the new town and walked down to the old town area where our room was. We found the views spectacular of both the caves and the houses.

Everyone has their own views , like/dislikes. I split my time between the US and Italy and the only state I would NEVER live in is California. If my dad weren't living I would have no reason to ever go there again. And yes many people like to both live there and visit.

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I felt I already knew the place

This is where you went wrong. Your expectations and fantasy of the place colored your way there. Like Rick says, you have to take Italy on its own terms

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Every place you want to go, but have never been, then you develop some imagination for what is must be like. Often its different than expected - and sometimes much nicer than photos indicate. This place is underwhelms.

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Actually, the other side of "fantasizing about a place and having unrealistic expectations" is jumping on a bandwagon and agreeing that the Emperor's new clothes are beautiful and wonderful.

I hope we can agree that all the talk of caves, and children begging for medicine, and people living in dangerous conditions has almost nothing to do with the place you see. Indeed, I am not sure if the UNESCO site is the ghetto or the actual caves.

I would say the hill with the church would be more interesting if they just left it as a 100 year old wrecked ghetto rather then have some parts abandoned and wrecked, and some fixed up minimally. Its a hodge dodge of ramshackle chaos. The church at the top is ok - but not among my top 100 churches of Italy, and clearly remodeled.

If it were a 20 minute train ride from a main city it would be an ok stop, but not with the difficulty of getting there.

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Seems the Duchess, Margaret Wolfe Hungerford, nailed it: “Beauty is in the 👁 Eye of the Beholder.”

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The FAL station in Bari is connected by an underpass to the main Trenitalia "Bari Centrale station". It's 150 meters away.

The train to Matera takes 1 hour and 50 minutes, nobody finds it particularly difficult.

If your Travel Guide led you to believe that FAL and Trenitalia aren't connected, I hope it wasn't Rick Steves'.

The houses of the Sasso Caveoso are up to 500 years old and you can walk around the all district. I did it many times and nobody talked about any danger.

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Actually, I spoke to two of the train employees in the Salerno train station who told me it wasn’t connected in that direction. I also used Rome2rio mapping out several routes from various cities in Puglia that were all pretty disastrous.

The other well-known guidebook mentioned the private railway, but he didn’t give me information about connections. I do on numerous of Rick Steves books, but they tend to focus on certain Will travel areas and not be very encyclopedic.

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I couldn’t get past it’s history of the terribly poor people living in those squalid caves, depressing. We walked all though the area, climbed down and back up. Once was enough for us. They were finally “ rescued” and given places to live with water, and heat up in the city.

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Chacun a son gout (each person has their own taste) We loved Matera and wished that we had more time there. One of the prettiest photos I took when I was there was of Chiesa di San Pietro Caveoso perched on the edge of the gorge and bathed in the golden late afternoon light. My husband and I would have loved to have taken more photos but being on a tour our time was limited.

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Indeed, from Salerno, the bus is faster and better than going all the way to Bari first, so you were given correct advice!

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It wasn’t a grand old city.
Read Cristo si è fermato a Eboli (Christ stopped at Eboli) published in 1945 a politically explosive book showing how the people lived in Matera, their very short life expectancies, etc so that the Italian Government had to do something about the terribly poor conditions by 1948. At one stage some people in the Government proposed bombing the town to rebuild it.
Travel is not only about going somewhere new to eat good food and overtip the waiters to make yourself feel good. Eat as Italians do and don’t, as we saw 3 US women in Siena do, complain about no butter with their bread, then insisting on salted butter (the waiter sprinkled some salt on their butter), then complaining about the order their food was delivered in.
Read some history and even some fiction about the area. Read about the Etruscans before the Romans. Read about the various Caesars. Learn a little about St Francis and don’t just look at the great art in the Duomo. Read or learn about Garibaldi and how Italy finally became one country without foreign occupation. Learn a little Italian before you go. Rick Steves has a link to a YouTube video that takes about an hour. Definitely don’t complain because a town doesn’t look like the movie. Why are you travelling? You can stay home and watch a number of movies set in Italy before it was overrun by tourists.

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We just went to Matera last month with our Rick Steves tour and I absolutely loved it! Unlike RailRider, I had no expectations of any kind. Had never even heard of Matera. We had a great guide take us on a walking tour and then we had the afternoon and evening to explore on our own. It's a great place to just wander around and I took a lot of pictures. And even more pictures at night with the lights on and a totally different feel.

We stayed at an amazing hotel -- Locando de San Martino. Just look at the pictures of the some the rooms!

We didn't come to see the Sassi Caves and so therefore didn't miss not going there.

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Wow, so many responses, you hit a cord. First, I would say you made poor prior connections and preparation. You need the context of why Matera is considered so significant. Knowing I was going (it was a pre-trip to our bike ride in Puglia) I studied up by reading Christ Stopped at Eboli. I then watched the movie that followed the book so closely, I gave up. Not real exciting but real history. The story is very moving and you understand why Matera was called the "Shame of Italy" and all residents were forced to move. You receive insight to Italy in the 1940's and the politics at play. Did you hire a guide or join a tour to understand "the story" WE had a guide by a young lady who's grandmother had grown up in the Sassi and was forced to move. Her story was amazing and remains one of my favorite tours of many. Did you chose to stay in a "cave"? I am sorry you felt it was a total waste of time. But just understanding how a town can go from the Shame of Italy to the Cultural Capital of Europe in 50 years is quite a story!

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Obviously, everyone views things through their own expectations and interests. Loved the place the first time and just as much the second time we brought our adult son just last fall. He found it one of the highlights of our trip to Apulia and Southern Italy, Besides the caves etc, the new town is pleasant. We had a fun time.

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Interestingly enough that Stanley Tucci’s Seaching for Italy segment just now tonight focused on Pulgia…Bari and…..Matera. Matera looks so interesting! Have not seen the James Bond movie. The story of the “Shame of Italy” was covered and rather moving. We did a cruise this past May that docked in Bari. A shore excursion took us to Alberobello with the Trulli…that
.was fabulous! I wish now we had the time to see and experience Matera. Pulgia offers so much and I would go back. And of course on the show…
the food and back story of those that grow and cook the food on this show just so enthralling!

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I am in Puglia now. We like Bari a lot - its a vibrant busy mid-sized city with a fun vibe. We also love Polignano a Mare. Matera was more interesting than Monopoli and Lecce but they were pretty lackluster. It so-so, but its not a place I would make any effort to see - especially a 2nd time. That buzz about the place is what I was referring to when I said hype. Its like the cool new place - but its not that cool at all, and that was the point of this post. Its actually quite misleading to talk about the 9,000 year old caves when they are fenced off.

We have a driver and we are hitting Alberobello, Ostuni and several other cities today, so I will no more at the end of the day.

Stanley Tucci has some great shows and I never miss them ... but ultimately its not really very useful - eating rabbits in Positano? or Cow lips in Rome? His show on Sicily was a let down too - since they have great food but he spent most of the time talking about refugees. It is interesting to see how many ways he can be amazed by whatever he eats.

The thing here is the "burnt wheat" orchiaetta pasta and octopus. We saw a place yesterday with octopus burgers.

I have a separate thread about Polignano a Mare and what we love about it.

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And the Matera bread is a metaphor for the town itself. Everyone talks about - including the people we met in Polignano. You simply must try the bread there. Its amazing.

Well its not amazing. Its bread. Plain bread cooked in a crude way. Its not more delicious, nor does it include some secret ingredient. Its nothing special. Its like a French baker came to work one day and said "screw it, I am not going to bother form my dough into proper loaves. I am going wad it all into a blob the size of a cantaloupe and bake it like that."

We bought a fresh one, and it was ok. I fed some of the burned crust to the local birds. It probably would have been tastier with a little butter, olive oil, pesto, or something. But it was not bad. Just not special.

By comparison, I have driven around the French and Italian countrisides and discovered little towns never mentioned in any tourist book, and gotten better pictures and been more impressed with the beauty. If you want to go, enjoy yourself, but I wanted to bring a little fresh perspective thats all.

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I had a young man who was helping me with a SIM card for my phone who spoke English very fluently.

I asked him how he learned English.
His reply was from watching American movies. He was fascinated with Los Angeles, New York and other movie locations. If he ever goes to movie locations, his reality will be a shock from his movie locations fantasy.
And by the way the smaller railway in the area requires a little more research to find, but it was delightful.
I loved the whole area,including Matera. The recent "buzz" about Matera doesn’t include the details that interest me such as the opportunities for young people to return and make a living in the town.
Perhaps using movie locations as part of research is not particularly helpful as a travel tool.

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First of all, there is no normal train route to the city at all. I
read that there is a private train station but never actually saw it.

Coinciding with the 2019 European Capital of Culture designation, it appears that they put a lot of money (millions) into a very modern train station (Matera Centrale) that links with Bari. Is this the one you referred to above?
https://www.stefanoboeriarchitetti.net/en/project/stazione-matera-centrale-fal/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQIpN_PSIk

I found the train schedule, it looks like under 2 hours to get from Bari Centrale to Matera Centrale: https://ferrovieappulolucane.it/en

A related, interesting article on Matera:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/mater-went-from-ancient-civilization-slum-hidden-gem-180949445/