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Itinerary/Route advice please

Looking to travel Italy Early July 2020 approx 2.5 weeks. 2 adults, 2 kids (6 and 10). 4 suitcases plus carry on bags.
First time for kids and I. (Husband been once before and can speak Italian.)

** Not sure whether to arrive into Milan and depart from Rome, or vice versa?

Also any advice on itinerary / timing/car/trains would be much appreciated.

Current ideas are:
▪️Milan 2-3 nights.

▪️Train or drive to Venice. ?
▪️Venice 3 nights.
▪️Hire car- Drive to Tuscany region - keep hire car.
1 x villa/Apt base?? (Best area to base?.) 5 nights?
and take day drips (Florence,Pisa, ?etc?).
▪️Drive to Rome. Hand over hire car. Rome 4 nights?.
▪️High Spd Train or drive to Naples?.
▪️High Spd Train or private car to Amalfi region?.
▪️Base in Sorrento?? (4 nights ?).
*** (Is Sorrento easier with the kids and luggage , or Positano ok too?) (Day trips to Positano,Capri etc??)

▪️Car to Naples, then high speed train to Rome ?.......for long flight home.

**** minimal group tours or shared transport will be done due to travel sickness issues in family. Need to be able to stop when it suits us etc.(hoping the high speed trains will be ok for us though🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼)

Any advice appreciated. Thank you for taking the time.

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Hi Al and welcome to the forum!

Some initial thoughts?

Best area to base in Tuscany: I'd choose Florence, especially if train travel is going to be more comfortable for your member(s) with motion-sickness challenges. I have those too so anything involving in the backseat of a car or even some buses, depending on terrain, just isn't an option. Trains, however, were great and I've never once felt ill on any of them, either 'fast' or slower regionales.

Florence is a terrific transport hub for umpty day trips around the region by train or, sometimes, public bus. As many of the small towns and cities in the region don't allow one to drive right into them willy-nilly anyway, public transport works very well for the trips to the places most tourists are interested in (Lucca, Pisa, Siena, etc) And, of course, Florence itself is fascinating...or I think so, anyway. :O)

That said, there's a lot of love for Lucca so if looking for a smaller place to base that's on a train line, that might be an option?

You do not want car in Florence, and leaving anything of value in an unattended rental car anywhere at all is not advised.

Naples/Sorrento/Amalfi Coast: I would rearrange your itinerary to go directly to the region from Florence/Tuscany and put all of your Rome days at the end of the trip so as to be close to the airport of departure. You don't want to be in the A.C. region the night before an international flight from Rome.

Naples/Sorrento/Amalfi Coast: high-speed train to Naples is fine but THIS is the region where your companions with motion sickness are going have challenges. For all sorts of reasons - including lack of parking, ZTLs (if you haven't read up on ZTLs yet, you'll want to be doing that), and terrible traffic during high season - a car is going to be more headache than help in the A.C. in July, and the roads are VERY twisty. As most of the A.C. isn't serviced by rail, this leaves you SITA buses - not great for folks like me with severe motion sickness - or ferries. Sorrento is a good base for ferries to Capri, Positano, Amalfi and Naples, and you can also get there by (battered but very cheap) regional commuter train or less frequent Campania Express trains from Naples: the station for those trains is connected to Centrale in Naples, where your train from Florence would arrive. Those same trains also service Pompeii: only 30 minutes away by rail from Sorrento.

Luggage: if at all possible, I'd try to get down to no more than 3 suitcases: divide your youngest traveler's things amongst you +his/her carryon. You'll want to be able to move nimbly in and out of the trains, and travel in Italy almost always involves dealing with stairs so fewer bags - and lighter bags - is the goal. Pack fewer clothes and plan on doing laundry. Lightweight blends travel well, are comfortable in July heat (!) and humidity and can be rinsed out in the sink and hung to dry overnight. Plan on wearing every item you pack multiple times, and all pieces should be mix-and-match.

Rome, Florence and Venice are all safely, easily and enjoyably explored on foot (and some of Venice, of course, by boat). You may want to use some public transit in Rome for longest hops across the historic center but if you group sightseeing by area, you shouldn't need it much. We had one 4 night/3.5 day Rome trip where we didn't use it at all, and we didn't use it in Florence either.

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Kathy has said almost exactly what I would have said, so I'll only elaborate regarding laundry. Doing laundry a few times along the way is easy. If you plan to rent an apartment for part of your stay, look for one with a washing machine. If not, there are laundries that will wash, dry and fold your laundry at reasonable prices usually by end of day or next day, or you can go to a self-service laundromat which takes about 1.0-1.5 hours for wash and dry. I'm not a fan of washing clothes in my room for a variety of reasons, the biggest of which is I don't feel like they ever really get clean. By the end of your vacation you'll be happy you took less luggage, and there's the added advantage that less luggage will be easier to fit and conceal in your rental car.

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....you can go to a self-service laundromat which takes about 1.0-1.5
hours for wash and dry.

Yep, this is what we do. It doesn't take long and we consider it part of the cultural experience! :O)

We only do sink washes for lightweight shirts and some skivvies now and again, just to get us through to the next real batch of laundry. FYI, apartments don't aways have driers, and 'home' washers can take a really long time to do a batch.

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Regarding suggestions to pack light--see the packing tips on this forum--they are very helpful. Most apartments without dryers will have drying racks. Easy to pack lightweight items when traveling in summer.

Even when I had more travel sickness problems than now, I've not had any problems on a train as long as I'm facing forward.

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While I understand the desire to see the Amalfi Coast and to tootle around Tuscany, if one or both of the kids get motion sickness easily, those are not your best destinations. As a kid, I suffered on 3-4 hour auto trips in the flat Midwest on highways. Now I take meds on planes and buses. I'm usually okay on trains, not so in cars when I'm not driving. Besides the winding roads, in some places in Tuscany and in most places on the AC, traffic is stop-and-go. So it depends a lot on how sensitive the family member (members?) is to travel. Another thing to consider is how interested the kids are going to be in seeing centuries-old Tuscan towns and the scenic beauty of the AC (the beaches are small and most are pebbly).

If you are deadset on the Amalfi Coast, the only reasonable way is to take the high-speed train to Salerno. It is actually on the AC, unlike Sorrento. It's mostly level and has a comparatively large sandy beach, though as Australians, you won't be impressed - you can walk from one end to the other in 10 minutes or less. The ferries will probably be easier than the buses for motion sickness. A car on the AC in July will be awful - there's a single road along the coast, it's a narrow 2-lane road with tons of traffic and lots of big buses. Parking is very limited and expensive.

If you have your heart set on Tuscany, consider staying in an agriturismo with a pool, and taking half day trips, so the kids have some fun time.

I honestly can't picture 2 adults managing 4 suitcases and carry on bags and keeping two young kids from going astray in very busy train stations. Even the logistics of boarding a train are tricky - do you stay on the platform with the kids while your husband loads the bags one by one? Or do you seat the kids on the train then go back to watch the bags as hubbie loads them? There is limited bag storage on trains. Look carefully at the descriptions of rental car capacity - even fairly large sedans have very limited baggage room.

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Thank you for all your valuable feedback. Such a great forum.

Will aim to narrow the luggage to 3 suitcases. 10 yr old can manage himself, so just the 5 year old luggage we will also have to deal with ourselves. Tuscany to Amalfi direct, then Rome last makes sense.👍🏻

I am the most prone to sickness, but if I’m driving I am fine so that’s why happy to drive for some parts - mainly Venice to Tuscany and around Tuscany region. The kids also get car sickness sometimes, but less so if I’m driving, and if we can stop often, may not be too bad🤞🏼🤞🏼.

As for getting from Tuscany to Amalfi/sorrento etc- which is the LEAST windy to get to?
Someone suggested Salerno too which I will look further into too. But then ferry rides are longer???
Definitely don’t want to self drive to get there on the narrow busy roads etc, so thought private car with a driver would be best- allowing us to stop when we need to if any sickness starts etc.
Would really like to go to the region, so trying to plan least ‘sickness’ route and best base destination. 🤞🏼🤞🏼
Sorrento/ A.C/Positano/Salerno etc - best base with kids and easiest to get around from.

Then day trips/outings will be planned - minimally I assume, and with windy roads and sickness in mind. And as some suggested short ferry trips to Capri and others etc if ocean calm etc.

With the suggestion of Florence as our Tuscany base, im unsure of this option as we were intending on keeping our hire car to explore the region at our leisure, and won’t have anywhere to park car , hence looking elsewhere in Tuscany. Maybe Siena, Lucca, san Gimignano etc??? Then of course for day trip/s to Florence maybe have to use transport, or park on outskirts etc. ?.?
Thoughts on this idea???

I Thought keeping hire car is safer for sickness side of things than relying on public transport.
(I think only the high speed trains will be ok for us unless very short journeys on buses etc.)

The trains from Florence to all the main tourist places like Pisa, Siena, Lucca etc - are these high speed or slower ones with many stops. It’s the stop/starts that also make us feel sick.

Also are my number of nights in each base location ok, or need adjusting??

Milan???? Mixed feedback about staying here?? Or should we swap Milan for staying 3 nights or so at Lake Como or similar ?.?- or again is it too windy getting to here from Milan??

Many thanks again.

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The trains from Florence to all the main tourist places like Pisa,
Siena, Lucca etc - are these high speed or slower ones with many
stops. It’s the stop/starts that also make us feel sick.

It doesn't matter, really. As I mentioned earlier, I've dealt with motion sickness all of my life and never once has an Italian train - fast or slow, multiple stops or not, - bothered me. Honestly, with the amount of concern you have for car sickness, trains/ferries are the ONLY way to avoid twisting roads in the A.C. and you'll be dealing with curves and twists in Tuscany as well. Even heavy seas in the A.C. may bother your stomach on some of the boats.

Video of drive from Sorrento to Positano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQQn7r8d-Yo

We had to take a cab (van) from Sorrento to Naples airport for a very early flight (no public transport running that early) and I barely got though it. Took a coach from Florence to Pisa during a train strike once - to pick up a train still running from there - and I did fine on that one as well as on coaches from Fiumicino to central Rome, and from Milan to Malpensa.