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Italy with a Parisian/Loire "vibe"?

Hello Travelers: I am trying to plan an milestone anniversary trip for me and my spouse. We're in our early 40s. Hoping for a 2025 Spring departure, avoiding Easter. Our honeymoon was Paris, Loire, Barcelona. My spouse loved Paris and the Loire, and was so-so on Barcelona (the food and people were a hit, the sights and the "vibe" less so). Prior to marriage, I lived in Rome a little over 1/2 a year. He'd like to see Rome & il Vaticano, and who am I to deny my love his heart's desire? After that, the themes of the trip are (1) Romance, (2) Food, (3) a relaxed and "classy" feel, BONUS IF POSSIBLE (4) road trip options, (5) castle/palace/homes of the ye olde rich and famous open to the public, and (6) not a beach or seaside resort town (we live in a touristic seaside town, he shuns beaches, & he does not like boat rides on the sea - lakes & rivers are tolerable). Here are some questions:

(A) to your minds, are there destinations in Italy (or further a field in Europe) that have a similar polished or classy or relaxed "vibe" to Paris and the Pays de Loire that we should check out? I can't think of any in Italy that are 1:1 - maybe Lake Como (but I've never been)? maybe Bologna (I liked it, it is not frenetic, the food is good and its easy to do fun day trips)? Please don't say Florence/Tuscany.... I've seen Rome and Tuscany, I don't want to repeat both. Possibly there are some spots in France that might fit the "vibe," too (Lyon, Annecy)? I considered Bordeaux, but the nearby beach attractions gave me pause. What say you?

(B) What do you think of these possible itineraries:

OPTION 1 - ROME-LYON-ANNECY
TOTAL - 9-10 nights

FLY Boston > Rome
See: Ancient Rome, the Vatican, Baroque Rome, maybe a day trip to Ostia Antica or a slightly calmer destination outside the city
(maybe 5 nights?)

FLY Rome> Lyon (1.5 hour flight possible)
See Lyon, eat at the fancy foodie spots, do a day trip or overnight to Annecy (2 hours from Lyon, my top pick) or Aix les bains (1.5 hr), or Grenoble (1.5 )
(maybe 4-5 nights?)
FLY HOME from Lyon or Geneva to Boston

OPTION 2 ROME-ANNECY
TOTAL - 9 nights

FLY Boston > Rome
See: Ancient Rome, the Vatican, Baroque Rome, maybe a day trip to Ostia Antica or elsewhere
(maybe 5 nights?)

FLY Rome> Geneva (1.5 hr flight possible)
Skip Geneva, go straight to Annecy (1 hour by car from Geneva)
(2 nights Annecy)
Drive to Aix les bains
(2 nights there)
FLY HOME Geneva to Boston

OPTION 3 ROME-BOLOGNA- ANNECY (this might be my favorite oNE?)
TOTAL - 9 nights

FLY Boston > Rome
See: Ancient Rome & the Vatican
(3 nights)

FLY/TRAIN/CAR Rome to Bologna (1 hr by air or about 3 by train/car)
See: Bologna, maybe a day trip outside the city
(3 nights)

FLY Bologna> Geneva (3 hr flight possible))
Skip Geneva, go straight to Annecy (1 hour by car from Geneva)
See: Annecy, maybe a day trip to Aix Les Bains if we feel like it, but mostly, just relax before going home.
(3 nights)

FLY HOME Geneva to Boston

OPTION 4 ROME-BOLOGNA-LAKE COMO- MILAN
TOTAL: 10 nights

FLY Boston
FLY Boston > Rome
See: Ancient Rome & the Vatican
(3 nights)

FLY/TRAIN Rome to Bologna
(3 nights)

TRAIN/DRIVE Bologna to Bellagio/Varrena/Lake Como (2.5 by train, or 3 hours by car)
(3 nights)

TRAIN/DRIVE Como to Milan (2 hr train, 3 hr drive)
(1 night)

FLY HOME Milan > Boston

OPTION 5 - ROME-BOLOGNA (maybe VENICE, as a daytrip)
TOTAL: eight nights

FLY Boston > Rome
See: Ancient Rome & the Vatican
(3 nights)

FLY/TRAIN Rome to Bologna
Daytrips: Whatever we want to see that's nearby, including maybe Venice, if it does not rain or flood and we feel like it
(5 nights)

FLY HOME from Bologna by way of whatever connecting flights get near Boston

OPTION 6
... what did I miss?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND AND WISE INPUT, TRAVELERS! :)

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(A) to your minds, are there destinations in Italy (or further a field in Europe) that have a similar polished or classy or relaxed "vibe" to Paris and the Pays de Loire that we should check out?

In my opinion, Turin and Piedmont fill the bill for classy and relaxed. Also closer to Annecy than some other locations you've listed. Turin was the royal capital of the Savoys for centuries, and they littered the countryside with expansive and luxurious castles that are available to visit. We actually stayed in a Savoy castle a decade ago, in private hands, but used to be a castle on the Savoy family's annual tax collection junket. It was amazing.

While in Turin, you can also get to some lakes easily enough: Orta, Maggiore, Varese. I wouldn't go any farther east for Como, Lugano, Garda - too far out of the way. Don't miss the Abbey of San Michele in Avigliana, a 20-minute commuter train ride from Porta Nuova in Turin. It's a 1000-year-old pilgrimage abbey on the Via Francigena pilgrimage route. Spectacular.

Then a leisurely tour through the Piedmont wine regions - Langhe and maybe further south. It makes for a glorious road trip (speaking from experience.) It's full of beautiful small wine villages, each with its own tasting center. This area is also the home of the slow food movement, and believe me the eating and drinking is incredible. Definitely hits the romance category.

Then on to Rome if you must. It's Jubilee year and it's going to be shoulder to shoulder people all year. I really enjoy Rome but I'm staying away next year.

So maybe something like this: fly into Geneva, enjoy Lake Geneva, Castle Chillon etc. On to Annecy. On to Turin and Piedmont for the bulk of the trip. Then to Rome and home.

My two cents. We spent 3 weeks in Piedmont the first time and it wasn't enough.

P.S. Edit - I didn't say much about Turin proper. It is a beautiful, elegant and very classy city. Lots of porticos with endless upscale shopping, great museums and castles. A glorious river runs through it. Don't shortchange the city itself.

P.P.S. I noticed most of your options started in Rome and ended north. That works too. Rome to Geneva by way of Turin...

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With your northern track I would suggest you look into Verona as a potential destination. Verona a very pretty, mostly pedestrian, town with an arty cafe culture vibe tucked in a bend in the river. It has upscale shopping, intact Roman arena and theater, some interesting churches and a few museums.

It also has some (fake) Romeo and Juliet sites - which I urge you to ignore - but because of that it is destination wedding town with that kind of romantic air if you lean into it.

It is close to Lake Garda - a few minutes by train - but the areas accessible by train are very touristy. Towns up both sides of the lake are obviously sill for seasonal tourists but less mobbed since you can't just train in.

Brescia is close by train (35m) and is a town of interesting piazzas kind of linked together, really underrated Roman ruins, and a castle on top of the hill to top everything off. Padua and Venice are also reachable by train in ~45 min and 1.5 hours respectively.

Hope that helps, have a great trip,
=Tod

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That time of year I’d do Rome, Bologna or Verona, and Venice. I’d also personally start with 4 nights in Rome to help get over jet lag and do trains for all connections.

In April, northern Italy lakes area and Switzerland area can be cold and rainy so wouldn’t be my top choice mainly because they have very little indoor activities if the weather is bad.

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Torino sounds like it would suit your vibe. If it's rainy, you can easily stay dry walking for miles under the arcades. Lots of great cafés along the way where you can have a "bicerin" (delicious chocolatey drink which is a local specialty).

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g187855-d6653005-r384452791-Via_Roma-Turin_Province_of_Turin_Piedmont.html

Stunning palaces to visit include the Royal Palace and Palazzo Madama. If you're a film buff, there's also a famous museum: Museo Nazionale del cinema

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Torino has a Parisian vibe, as folks above have mentioned. Your itinerary options all look too rushed for my taste. I'd just split the time between Rome and Torino. Simple and lovely.

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Just for the sake of completeness of information, I spent 14 years of my life living near Milan and I had my superior studies there, and I always thought the city has a Parisian vibe; most cities whose urban texture was reworked in 19th century share it. But probably the thing is more evident to the resident than to the casual tourist.