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Italy Train Tickets in Advance

I have searched for this information but all the posts I find are very old so--

  1. Which of these routes should we buy tickets in advance online for a 5 week trip that begins in 2 weeks? Will most likely try to book everything on Trenitalia to keep things simple.

    --Bellagio to Santa Margherita Ligure
    --Santa Margherita Ligure to Monterosso al Mare
    --Monterosso al Mare to Lucca
    --Lucca to Florence
    --Florence to Bologna
    --Florence to Siena
    --Sienna to Rome
    --Rome to Naples

  2. Also--I thought I read somewhere that it is best not to register and log in on the Trenitalia website/app but now read somewhere that you should do that before purchasing any tickets. Which advice is correct?

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Also--I thought I read somewhere that it is best not to register and
log in on the Trenitalia website/app but now read somewhere that you
should do that before purchasing any tickets. Which advice is correct?

I don't know where you read this but why wouldn't you want to register and log in???

Regional tickets do not need to be purchased in advance. Be sure to validate.
Fast trains can be in advance if you are looking for discounts, if not base rate anytime.

--Bellagio to Santa Margherita Ligure-- ferry to Varenna then regionals
--Santa Margherita Ligure to Monterosso al Mare- regional
--Monterosso al Mare to Lucca- regional
--Lucca to Florence- regional
--Florence to Bologna regional OR fast train, your choice
--Florence to Siena- take the bus
--Sienna to Rome- regional SIENA to Florence, fast to Rome
--Rome to Naples- fast train

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Florence to Bologna regional OR fast train, your choice

I'll just chip in that while things may have changed in the last couple of years, and I haven't checked, but it used to be that the Regionals between Florence and Bologna used to go way out of their way and you had to change. There used to be a couple of IC trains (Intercities, which have reserved seating in older traditional trains, but less expensive than Freccia) a day, and the easy choice was the Freccia which is more expensive but very fast or the competitor Italo which can cost a little less but is just as fast.

As I said, things may have changed - check. But I distinctly remember how much of a pain in the neck the Regionals were on that route (personal experience).

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  1. You should buy in advance the tickets that you want to get at a discounted price, as long as you understand that discounted tickets can't be refunded and changes are restricted. Regional trains have no discounted fares and can't sell out. The train type is displayed on the search results page on trenitalia.com.
  2. None is either right or correct. If you register you can download the tickets from your personal area on trenitalia.com any time you want. If not, you'd better wait for trenitalia's mail before closing the browser window with the PNR number and all the other details.

I tried to put Bellagio on trenitalia.com and the system did not recognize it. I assume the reason is that there is no train station in Bellagio.
I doubt the Florence-Siena buses are run by Flixbus. Maybe some buses are run by Flixbus.

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@ChristineH. Can you explain this suggestion? Why not not just go from Siena to Rome without going back to Florence?

Sienna to Rome- regional SIENA to Florence, fast to Rome

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I don’t think there are any direct trains from Siena to Rome

Have you searched schedules?

I’m not familiar with the bus.

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You've received lots of great suggestions, and I have a few comments to add on each of the trips you'll be taking (more on tickets below).....

  • to begin with, how are you getting to Bellagio? From Bellagio to Santa Margherita Ligure, the easiest solution is to take the Ferry across to Varenna (about 20 minutes as I recall), then walk up the hill to the rail station, Varenna-Esino. Buy a ticket from the machine but DON'T forget to validate it prior to boarding the train on the day of travel. I believe there's also a travel agency in the station where you can buy a ticket, I Viaggi del Tivano. You'll have to change trains at Milano Centrale so will require two tickets. Be sure to specify your end destination when you buy tickets in Varenna.
  • Santa Margherita Ligure to Monterosso - that trip could either be on a Regionale or an Intercity (reservations mandatory), depending on which train and departure time you choose. There could also be one change or a direct train, depending on which departure you choose.
  • Monterosso to Lucca - there will be at least one change and the trip could be on Intercity or even Freccia, depending on which one you choose.
  • Lucca to Firenze SMN - that's an easy one. The train will usually be a Regionale and it's a short trip.
  • Firenze SMN to Bologna Centrale - that's also an easy one. An easy 38 minute trip via Freccia or Italo high speed train.
  • Florence to Siena - you can use either train or bus on that route. One point to note is that the station in Siena is at the bottom of the hill, so you'd have to take a taxi up to the town. The bus drops passengers in the centre of town. The bus station in Florence is very close to Firenze SMN rail station.
  • Siena to Roma Termini - you can either take slower Regionale trains (which sometimes involves one leg by bus), but probably the simplest method is to take the Regionale train back to Florence and then high speed train to Rome (~90 minutes).
  • Roma Termini to Napolli Centrale - absolutely use high speed train, either Freccia or Italo.

Regarding tickets, I normally buy tickets for the premium trains in advance, so that I can take advantage of cheaper Super Economy pricing. I normally buy Regionale tickets using the machines in stations as it's very easy, but with locally purchased Regionale tickets it's essential to validate them before boarding the train on the day of travel (that avoids hefty fines). Regionale tickets are the same price whether they're bought in advance or on the day of travel.

I have on occasion bought ALL tickets in advance using one of the reseller websites such as https://www.thetrainline.com/ (there are others). Trainline may charge a small fee but that's not a big deal for me. Tickets can also be purchased direct on the Trenitalia or Italo Treno websites. I can't remember whether one has to register on the rail company websites? I did have to register on the Trainline website and provide payment information but once that's done, the process is very easy. I'm more comfortable using my phone for things like that so would probably also use the Trenitalia app on future trips. Of course it helps to have access to a roaming data plan as there may not be WiFi available when I want to buy a ticket.

Note that pre-purchased Regionale tickets come pre-validated so it's not necessary to validate them in the machine prior to boarding the train. Also note that the Express trains come with compulsory seat reservations, and those are specific to train, date and departure time. If you board the wrong train even by mistake, you'll be subject to hefty fines which will be collected on the spot! As I recall, the fines are about €50 PP, plus the cost of the reservation. I've seen the train staff give travellers a break and just charge for the reservation, but I've also seen them apply fines regardless of excuses or hard luck stories.

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@ Ken—your detailed and easy to understand answers gave me the confidence to actually start booking train tickets. I have a few done and am working on more.

To answer your question about how we are getting to Bellagio, we are coming from Switzerland by train. We have not yet booked bc we plan to purchase the Swiss Travel pass and follow the route of the Gothard Express but not the actual GPE. I have received helpful advice about how to book that itinerary but I am still a little fuzzy about exactly which option will be the best for getting to Bellagio after arriving in Italy.

Thank you for being so helpful!! Mary

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P.S. re: Florence to Siena. We are staying a few blocks from Florence SMN and in Siena, we are picking up a rental car at Europcar. Does that impact the recommendation to take the bus? If bus is the best option, what is the name of the bus or website I should use for booking? Or should I not even book ahead?

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The car rental office is closer to train station so would make more sense to take train if you are picking up car on arrival to Siena

Bus drops you in town
Train station is bottom of hill

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Mary,

If you haven't driven in Italy before, there are a few potentially expensive caveats to be aware of. To begin with, each driver will need the compulsory International Driver's Permit, which is used in conjunction with your home D.L. The IDP's are easily available at any AAA / CAA office for a small fee.

You'll also need to be vigilant to avoid the ZTL (limited traffic) zones which exist in many Italian towns. EACH pass through one will result in hefty fines, which you probably won't know about until several months after you return home. There are also speed cameras including the Tutor system, tolls on the motorways, etc.

I may have missed this, but are you planning to drive to Rome in the rental car?

If you're coming from Switzerland to Bellagio, you'll have to connect with a Ferry at some point. The easiest connection to Bellagio is via Varenna, but there are other options. Were you planning to take the train as far as Lugano? I believe you can get a bus from there ot Mennagio, and then ferry to Bellagio. After the Gothard Express, you could travel to Como by train and connect with a Ferry there. Or you could travel to Milano and than travel to Varenna and then Bellagio. AFAIK those are the only three options.

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My husband does have a valid international driving permit. Honestly we have been concerned about the car rental but finally decided to be “brave”. We are renting twice so that we can explore Tuscany. First in Lucca and secondly in Siena. . Both rentals are for a few days with times the vehicle returned to the same place we picked it up. We have no interest in driving in either Florence or Rome but are aware that we still need to be cautious about ZTL’s. I printed a color chart of Italian traffic signals as well as some tips for driving but any insight you care to share would certainly be welcome!

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Mary,

I can't think of any further driving tips at the moment, but hopefully Roberto or one of the others will be able to add some tips.

As I recall, both Lucca and Siena have ZTL areas. You should be able to find info on parking options and costs online (I haven't looked). I'm not sure what parking is available in Lucca inside the walls, but your hotel should have some suggestions. There's pay parking reasonably close to Piazza del Campo in Siena and hopefully it won't be too crowded when you're there.

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Someone posted this on Facebook today. Is this true??!! If so, I have done everything wrong so far!!

“Do not forget that when you are looking at it on the Trenitalia app, the time zone you're in vs. Italy makes a huge difference. I'm in Idaho, 8 hours behind, so when I'm looking for a train journeys that start around 10:00 a.m. Italy time, I have to enter it as 2:00 a.m. my time.

The website does not do this so try that if you get tired of math”

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Sometimes the clock dial on the app is a bit wonky
But it doesn’t matter
Set the clock to 00:00 to see all the trains offered that day

A 10:00 train is still a 10:00 train at 10:00 in Italy no matter which time zone you live in

Facebook? consider the source

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That makes sense and is what I thought. I was just confused by the wording of the FB post. Thank you for the clarification.

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Mary,

As the previous reply said, I wouldn't be too concerned about something posted on Facebook. You'll get better and more accurate information here on the Rick Steves forum, so it would probably be a good idea to ignore Facebook.

When booking tickets online, it's important to ensure that both times and dates are accurate I always travel with a very detailed Itinerary which accounts for the fact that I lose the first day in travel. I only specify the local time for train departures, etc. When travelling from the west coast, I always arrive in Europe the day after I depart my home airport. That also appears to be the case with flights from Michigan.

As I may have mentioned earlier, I normally use Trainline.com for rail tickets in Italy and many other European countries. They handle tickets for several rail networks in Italy, so that provides "one stop shopping".

This website is a bit dated but still has some good information, and you may find it helpful - https://www.youtube.com ./watch?v=6n8rITO1Eek .

This video is more recent and also provides some good information - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSKiVjng8o .

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I booked some of our tickets and think it went OK. I am up to the Siena to Rome reservation. I am seeing Siena to Rome 8:10 AM-12:03 3 hr 53 min. Longer than ideal but the other options are not much quicker and are more expensive. I really would like to be in Rome by early after at the latest. The itinerary I am looking at connects in Grosetto which seems out of the way but since the travel time is about the same and this is cheaper, is it a bad idea? Maybe something I just wouldn’t know??

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Mary-

I would book that train. You have to change somewhere from Siena to Rome.
The Grosetto connection is 36 min, should be quite easy. Otherwise it's a change in Florence and more $$. Both routes are regional then fast train. I'd go with the easier transfer.

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Christine-I will do that. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!