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Italy in 45 days

Hi

Finally i have my itinerary for my Italy trip in May

I am going to start booking my flights. Let me know if you think i have to add/ modify anything.

Day 1- Canada to Catania - Spending 6 nights in Catania
Day 7- Train from Catania to Naples - Stay in Naples
Day 8 - eve boat to Sorento - Stay in Sorento
Day 9 - Amalfi coast - Stay in Sorento
Day 10 - Day trip to Capri - Stay in Sorento
Day 11 - Pazzouli/ Train to Naples - Spending 3 nights in Naples
Day 14 - Train from Naples to Bari - Stay in Bari
Day 15 - Bari to Matera - Stay in Matera
Day 16 - Matera to Leece via Brindisi and Ostuni - Stay at Leece
Day 17 - Leece - Stay at Leece
Day 18 - Train from Leece to Alberobello then to Bari - Stay at Bari
Day 19 - Train from Bari to Rome
Day 20, 21,22,23,24,25- Stay in Rome
Day 26- Train to Florence, May be day trip to Lucca
Day 27, 28 - Florence
Day 29 - bus to Siena
Day 30 - Grape escape winery tour
Day 31 - Bus to Pisa, train to CT - stay at Rio
Day 32, 33- CT - stay at Rio
Day 34 train to Parma - Stay at Parma
Day 35 Tasty bus tour Parma - Stay at Parma
Day 36 Parma to Modena - Stay at Modena
Day 37 - Modena to Bologna - Stay in Bologna
Day 38 - Balogna to Padova - Stay in Padova
Day 39,40,41,42 - Stay in Padova and visit Venice, Murano, Burano, Verona
Day 43 - Train from Venice to Milan - Stay in Milan
Day 44 - Lake Como - Stay in Milan
Day 45 - Train to Turin and back to Milan
Day 46 - Fly out

Thank you

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Catania - why? It was the least attractive place I visited in Sicily, and bad traffic you'd have to go through to day-trip. Are you willing to rent a car? Why train to Naples? save time and fly. Looks like you're only staying 1N in Naples just because of the train. If you fly, you can take the shuttle bus from the airport to Sorrento.

Bologna - You could stay in Bologna and day trip to all the other towns - and Ravenna too, avoiding hotel changes.

Padova - not a good idea to day trip to Venice. The best of Venice is the early mornings and late evenings when the day-trippers are gone. It's also not efficient to train to Venice, then go across the island to the boats to the islands. Stay on the island.

Como - why day trip from Milan instead of staying in Como for 2N?

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I'm thinking along the same lines as Chani.

At the very least, re-think all that time in Catania. You can use it as a base for seeing Taormina, but Siracusa is, ideally, more than a one-day stop, and there are the beautiful Baroque towns in the interior that are better visited from Siracusa (Ragusa, Noto, Modica, Scicli). I adore Sicily and would prefer not to go there for so short a time, only to be frustrated. It appears that you will not have time for Palermo, Trapani/Erice, the Greek sites, or the interior towns like Piazza Armerina.

Also:

You're staying in Bari twice, which means wasted time dealing with hotels. I'd go all the way to Matera on Day 14. Depending on the train and bus schedules, it may be possible to take a more direct route to Matera via train to Ferrandina Scalo then bus to Matera, rather than traveling via Bari in both directions. I'm not sure the train/bus combo will actually be faster, but it might be. There's some information in this TripAdvisor thread from 2011 (check current schedules, of course) and on the Italo website.

Do you plan to use public transportation in Matera and Puglia? Even with a car, I think four days for that area is quite short in the context of a 45-day trip. There are lots of attractive towns in Puglia.

I haven't been to Turin, but from what I've read it deserves to be more than a day-trip from Milan, so if you find you have extra time...

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Not sure why you picked Bari to visit. Tour books never give it much merit considering how far it is from the rest of Italy.

Bologna is OK, but I was not wowed by it. I lived Ravenna, that was to be seen in one day.

You don't have much time in Venice. I suspect you are trying to save, since Venice hotels can be expensive. Suggest looking for a small hotel or B&B near the main train station for modest prices.

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Hi all

Thank you so much for the suggestions. i am trying to do the whole trip on budget. So trying to save as much as i can where ever i can. I am hoping i am answering all the questions. Sorry if i missed anything.

Regarding Cantania, i was planning to use it as a base to do Syracuse , Taormina, Mt Etna and i am yet to decide what i am going to do the rest of the 2 days.
@acraven I was planning to take transit and thats the reason i was skeptical about visiting Ragusa. Do you think i can make it there with public transport and spend my other 2 days there? Open to other options as well. I wish i could spend more time in Sicily. At max i can spend another day here. Do you think it will make any difference? Or do you think i should i should do Aeolian islands and Malta instead.

Train from Catania to Naples - I choose train because i heard its beautiful. i know its long and tiring but just want to try.

@ Chani and acraven, I agree with you on Bologna. i didnt want to carry my luggage in Modena unless i go back and forth to drop off my things at Bologna. Thats the reason i choose Modena. i will have a look at luggage storage spaces in Modena too.

Also regarding Ravenna, will i have enough time to cover modena and ravenna same day? i am taking transit.

Also regarding Venice, you are right about staying on the island itself. i am not sure why i wrote it down as Padova.

I was initially planning for 3 days for Puglia but after reading about it, i decided on 5 days. i know people spend weeks there. I will come back for this for sure.

Reason for staying in Bari - I read somewhere that Its nice to walk around Bari in the evening. So i thought i will spend the first night there after my tiring train ride from Naples and just relax. As for the last day, i dont have an option but to stay because of the odd timings for the train. i am trying to avoid reaching Rome past 8 at night. Its a 6 hour train ride.

@geovagriffith I agree with you on tour books. But after doing some research Bari feels like a hub and read its cathedral and castle are beautiful

@ acraven, Yes, i am planning to take transit all the way. i am not sure i will be comfortable driving alone there. So just trying to visit Matera, Brindisi, Ostuni, Leece and alberobello. I actually want to include Gallapoli too but it has to wait till next time as 1 day is not enough for it.

@ Chani I felt Lake Como will be more expensive than Milan. i havent looked at hostels there yet, but will look into it for staying 2 N there.

@ acraven I should be able to add another day in Turin before i fly back.

Let me know if i missed anything. Thank you again.

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Look at flights connecting Rome with Bari along with Bari- Naples. Agree with acraven and Chani, flight Catania-Naples. Then Curreri Viaggi bus to Sorrento.

Some of these flights may be less expensive than the train, and gain you time. None are over 1 1/2 hrs.

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I visited all the small towns I mentioned, including Ragusa, by bus or train from Siracusa. I'd split the Sicily time between Catania and Siracusa and add a day. Or I guess you could substitute Ragusa for Siracusa, but I don't know how easy it is to get from Ragusa to the other towns (it was my only stop on a trip from Siracusa), and Siracusa has a lot to see: the large historic district (Ortygia), the archaeological park and the archaeological museum. Don't plan any bus trips on Sundays or holidays.

I haven't been to Malta or the Aeolians. I'm sure they are good destinations, but I would leave them for your next visit because you'd want more than one day for such an excursion. When I researched Malta, the ferry fare was exorbitant, so you'd probably need to fly there.

I haven't been to Modena so am not in a good position to say whether it can be seen on the same day as Ravenna, but I am highly doubtful. They are in different directions, and Ravenna has a very, very pretty historic district as well as 6 or 7 mosaic sights, one of which involves a short bus ride out of town (not sure how viable on Sundays, by the way). I see that there's currently a 2:09 PM train departing from Ravenna on weekdays that takes you back to Bologna in time (if on schedule--big IF) to make a 10-minute connection to a Modena train that arrives at 3:39 PM. That would mean no time for a nice lunch in Ravenna; you'd have to grab something like a sandwich and eat it on the train. And I don't know whether that would be enough time in Modena; I guess it depends on whether you want to go inside sights or just walk around.

I've heard good things about Bari myself, though I haven't been there. I'm just questioning that first stay, since one-night stops are usually very unproductive.

I am doubtful about Brindisi; I think that time would be better spent elsewhere in Puglia.

In 2015 I took three van trips that weren't tours, as such, but delivered me to 4 or more small towns in one day--something you cannot accomplish yourself via public transportation. I tried to find the website just a week or two ago and had no luck, but I'm happy to report that it's back! The full-day trips cost 60 euros per person (there are also half-day trips at 40 euros) and are a boon to folks like us who do not want to drive. Unfortunately, the website is only in Italian (on-site staff speak English), but you can read the names of the towns visited on each trip. Impressive, yes? Seeing south-central Puglia this way requires flexibility, because there is no fixed schedule for those van trips; it depends on demand, and you might not know what is happening until the day prior to your anticipated trip. You could email now and see what they say about expectations for May. The email address is info@infolecce.it . Your back-up plan would be to use public transportation to get to just one or two of the towns per day.

Lodging costs will probably be very reasonable in Lecce in May, but I liked the Larala B&B that I used in 2015. I can't find a direct booking link or an email address online, but it is listed on booking.com and on other websites. The location is across the garden from the edge of the historic district in a relatively modern building with an elevator. The Wi-Fi, air conditioning and plumbing all worked fine. The owner speaks English but does not live in the building, and--despite the name--it does not provide breakfast.

I have never sought lodging in Milan, but I suspect you're going to find that it is not particularly cheap. Most business cities are not. It may well be less expensive in May to spend the night on the lake. Do some checking on booking.com or your favorite hotel website.

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I am thinking of doing this for Sicily

Day 1 - land in Catania, - Stay in Catania
Day 2 - Catania - Roman Amphitheatre and Piazza del Duomo - Stay in Catania
Day 3 Taormina - Stay in Catania
Day 4 - Visit Temple of Athena, Ortygia market, Greek amphitheater, Piazza duomo, ear of Dionysius -Stay in Siracusa
Day 5 - Ragussa/Modica. Transport is the issue. After looking for long i found it on
http://www.aziendasicilianatrasporti.it/
Most of the sites dont have the current information. From what i read, bus is the reliable option.
Day 6 Noto
Day 7- Leaving to Naples

Modena has a Ferrari museum which i wanted to see. I finally figured out a day to visit Ravenna too ( dont want to miss it )

As for staying initial day in Bari, i was planning to reach Bari around 11.00 AM from Naples and was thinking of wandering the place. I am bit confused looking at the flix bus schedule now. initially i thought there were only 2 busses running that day but it looks like its showing it wrong for me. I will see if i take the bus to Matera and stay there that night.
As for Brindisi, i was planning to spend only half a day there looking at the Roman Column and the castle and half a day in Ostuni
But i really loved the link you sent. Those tours look great ( by now i think, i can at least can recognize few town names and with the help of google translator it was easy to read about the tours. I will definitely email them for details ).

As for the lodging i will definitely look into Larala. I havent got a chance to do my research on it yet. Will be starting on that soon.

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@ Gerri, I was looking at the train because i was told the coast line is beautiful and also it will be interesting to watch them get the train on to the Ferry. I don't mind the trains as it will give me time to relax i guess after a week of travelling.

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The Sicily proposal looks as if it will work. I'd check schedules when on the ground (important for buses) and see whether it would be viable to combine Noto and Modica on the same day so that Ragusa has its own day. I think that would be better, given how much there is to see in the various towns, though Noto + Modica does mean more travel time and the train schedule has gaps in it that may present a challenge.

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Sure..i will check it after i land.. thank you so much for helping me. i am going to start looking into accommodation now.

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Try to be in Bari for the feast of St Nicholas, May 9th and 10th. Street parade which is a knock out, aerobatic display, fireworks, crowds, street food. We loved it.
The trin from Bari to Matera is easy, about one ad a half hours. Give yourselves two nights in Matera, stay in the sassi, the cave houses.

In Matera, we stayed here: http://www.ladolcevitamatera.it/

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I actually took the train from Catania all the way to Rome after the Rick Steves Sicily tour ended. The train leaves Catania at 8:41 and gets into Naples at 16:41. That is plenty early to get all the way to Sorrento instead of just staying in a room in Naples for the one night. You have 3 nights in Naples later. Unless you have your heart set on the boat ride. I would rather have a full day in Sorrento the next day instead. You could use that day to visit Pompeii or Herculaneum.

The best part of the train ride was definitely the loading of the train on the ferry across the Straits of Messina. Was a beautiful day and you can get off the train and go on top for a fantastic view. Be aware there is no food available on the train so either bring your own or buy something on the ferry. The rest of the train ride on the mainland was pretty ordinary to me.

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Ravenna is wonderful and needs a full day.
The areas to see are easy level walking but cannot be covered in less than a day. It’s about an hour by regionale train from Bologna one way. I think I saw a luggage storage place just outside the train station. Regionale tickets were cheap.
This is a place not to be missed. I was there in Feb 2016 and am now going back in Oct I hope, and plan to stay two to three nights.

Don’t try to cover so much, cut back on the hotel changes. Haven’t been to Modena.

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@ Peter, i think i will be missing it by couple days. I will look to see if i can change my itinerary to make it for those dates. I am not able to find a proper bus or train to matera. I think i am looking it wrong. Flix bus says buses run at 15.30 and 20.00 for that day. Nothing earlier. So i am confused.

@ Dan, yes, i was eyeing the boat ride Sorrento. As per the schedule i saw, last ferry leaves at 5.15 pm. I was actually planning to visit Pompei the next day from Naples and take the boat to Sorrento in the eve. Also i was planning on taking a picnic for the train ride.

@ttmom12, i am trying to adjust my itinerary and squeeze in Ravenna. Having almost 50 days and i still feel like i am rushing everything. Not sure how people do it with time restrictions.

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The more you read about a country--any country--the more places you'll want to see. That's the way it is. Don't agonize over it, just plan to enjoy every day as much as you can. Having to miss some of Italy's wonders on this trip is really no different from having to miss all the entire countries you don't have time to include. Maybe next year!

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@ Peter thank you for the link. All along i was thinking bus was the easy way to commute between Bari and Matera and i was not able to find a schedule that worked for me. I will look into the trains now.

@ acraven i agree with you on that. This will be my first solo trip, so i think it is making me plan even more carefully. At the same time i dont want to have a set itinerary for the whole trip as in my past experience i never followed it.

One step at a time and may be someday all the wonders in the world can be seen.

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I would skip Lecce. You'll only have a few hours in Matera on Day 15. What if your train/bus from Matera to Lecce leaves in the early morning on Day 16? After going through all the effort to get there from Naples, why not give yourself a full day (two nights) in Matera?

On Day 17, leave Matera for Alberobello, then go to Monopoli or Ostuni or Polignano a mare to spend the night. On Day 18, go back to Bari for your train to Rome. Not so much rushing around.

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Hi Charlene

I am still yet to finalize my Puglia plans. I am thinking of adding another day to it. I am waiting on the confirmation on the tours acraven mentioned above. If that doesnt go through then i will be spending 2 nights in Matera and 3 in Leece. Hopefully they find 2 more people for the tour.

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Any one have any cost saving tips for me? something that you didnt know while booking but would have saved you some money if you had done it differently. Since i am doing it for 50 days, small things do add up.

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I haven't re-read this thread so I'm not sure whether it has been mentioned--and you probably already know this--but you'll save money on any fast trains you plan to take if you can pin down your schedule and buy those tickets in advance. Even if it's just one or two travel legs near the beginning or end of your trip, there are savings to be had.

Buses are virtually always cheaper than trains for last-minute purchases; they are often quite a bit slower, but it's worth checking both schedules.

When buying train tickets, look carefully at travel times. For trips to or from a smaller city, you'll need to spend some time on a regional train. Sometimes a trip that is all-regional takes no more time than a trip combining a regional train and a fast train, because the layover may eat up any time you gain on the fast train. Any all-regional ticket will be cheaper than a ticket with a fast-train segment.

Stopping in a bar/café for a cold drink is relatively cheap if you consume the beverage while standing at the bar. If you sit down, the price is likely to double or triple. Similarly, ice cream bought at a take-away counter is far, far cheaper than ice-cream at a café table. The cheapest source for cold beverages will usually be a small grocery store, but those are not always convenient, and if you're hot and parched, the bars are not too costly. I carry a water bottle around with me so I don't have to buy multiple bottles of water each day. There are often public fountains scattered around where you can re-fill your bottle. Don't do this at the larger decorative fountains, of course.

You will find it probably not so easy to avoid paying for water (if that's your beverage of choice) in restaurants. You can try to get tap water, but it's a cultural thing. At least the bottled water will usually be cold. Do be sure you make it clear whether you want still water or bubbly water. The bubbly kind is the default in Italy, and I have sometimes been served that even though I specified still water. Always look at the label on the bottle before drinking it. You don't want to pay $4 for something you don't like.

Cooked-to-order pizza (i.e., a full pizza from a pizzeria, not a slice cut from a slab sitting on a bakery counter) is almost certain to be better than any you have had in the US, and it is typically less expensive than other hot options in Italian restaurants.

I check my suitcase on the plane, so I carry a small paring knife with me, to be used for slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes, etc. One meal a day in a restaurant and one meal that's put together at a market is my goal.

Not a cost issue, but: Don't touch the produce! You are supposed to indicate to the market-stall holder what you want, not paw through the merchandise.

If you're willing to stay in a hotel room with the toilet and shower down the hall, you can save money, though there aren't as many rooms without en-suite baths as there used to be. I would not cheap out on air conditioning, though. You may very well need it.

Postage back to the US/Canada is very expensive, even for postcards. Don't promise to send people cards!

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Thank you for the suggestions. I agree with you.

I am looking for hostels instead of hotels. Found few that are around 15 to 20 Euros a night. Once i get my hostels booked i will start working on the trains.mostly in next week or so.

Definitely not sending any thing back here.

I am not doing to check in any bags either as i don't want to carry my luggage all around Italy. will be just carrying the backpack. Down side of it is no knife. May be i can find one there.

I am definitely a water person, so i will watch for the price on it. I was budgeting for around 35 Euros for food per day. Is it too less? I can survive on Pizza but i also like to try local cuisine as well. Will definitely be going to the markets.

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You can definitely buy a knife there. One of our first stops is always to buy a knife and a corkscrew! (Some airlines won't allow corkscrews in the cabin, even without the little blade.) Any grocery store will have these items.

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You can get by on 35 euros a day for food, on average. There will probably be a few days when you really don't have time for a restaurant meal at all. It doesn't make me happy to go 24 hours without a hot meal, but it inevitably happens occasionally when you're on a long trip and dealing with public transportation. There can be big gaps in bus (especially) and train schedules, so sometimes one must choose between lunch and moving on to the next town without a 3-hour wait. On those occasions, lunch becomes something like a sandwich. The days when you are subsisting on grab-and-go food will help balance the days when you have a 25-euro restaurant meal and possibly go over budget.

I happen to like both cheese and yogurt a lot, so it's pretty easy for me to grab something while the shops (or markets) are open and have it available for later in the day. Smaller Italian shops sometimes close for an extended period during the early afternoon (1 PM to 4 PM is one possibility, but it varies). The farther south you are, the longer that siesta is likely to be, so plan ahead, food-wise, if you're on the move.

I travel with an indestructible plastic utensil that has a spoon on one end and a fork on the other, plus a supply of ZIP Lock bags of various sizes. The latter are useful for transporting juicy fruits like berries. In general, European food products are less highly packaged than ours, so you need to be prepared with something to contain oily foods like cheese, so that's another use for the Zip Lock bags.

Salted nuts are available in a lot of small stores and are a handy bus/train snack, along with a piece of fruit.

It's my impression that prices of food items in European railway stations aren't jacked up above normal retail to the same extent they often are in the US, but still you'll probably save money by buying your sandwiches, etc., elsewhere when you can.

Staying in hostels will probably give you some food options you wouldn't otherwise have, because many hostels provide kitchen privileges. You may well meet other travelers who'd like to split a roasted chicken with you, etc.

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@ Jane Makes sense. Thank you

@ Acraven, that gives me bit of a relief. I am planning India trip after so didnt want to break my bank in Italy. I totally agree on the sandwich part. when travelling most of the time, lunch is never on time. when hungry eat what ever you have. i will definitely pick few things to have on days like those in the markets. Thank you for answering all my questions. I really appreciate it.