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Italy and Passport Expiration Date Question

Okay, so, yes I know that this should be done in advance.
My partner and I have just been given the opportunity to use her sister's apartment in London end of March, no rent, and we would take a few days afterwards for either Venice or Paris (latter less likely, and I don't want to connect back here from LHR on BA).

Her passport expires 8/17/27. Per travel.state.gov, UK requires merely 90 days passport validity after planned departure date from UK, same for France. No issues as we would have a plane ticket home for somewhere between March 30 and April 4. For Italy they have this cryptic entry, "Valid passport requirements: Passports must be valid for at least 3 months beyond your planned date of departure from the Schengen area. A 6-month validity is recommended.

Yes, she could have done this already. She cannot renew now, as we are flying into Canada in September - and her passport will have a name change, as she is finally getting the last vestige of her marriage which ended several years ago removed, her passport is the only remaining document that shows "Mary Jones Smith" and she is dropping the Smith. The full name is on the current airline ticket (always been entering surname Jones Smith) so we can't start this now. I am hesitant to start this end of September on our return as if there is a processing issue on the change, we will have already purchased the ticket with the corrected name and they won't match. Apparently with the name correction the passport can not be renewed online or by mail which will add who knows how much processing time.

Can anyone shed any light from experience here? Is 4 1/2 months remaining validity with a valid return airline ticket good here or not? If unclear, is there anywhere to get a better clarification? A complication, either a Eurostar to Paris or one way flight to Venice will NOT be on the same ticket as our flight one ran back, which means that those agencies won't know of our valid ticket for return.

Of course, TIA

Posted by
152 posts

She can renew her passport at one year out, that is, renew it after 8/17/2026 and it will be good for the next 10 years. Hopefully you haven’t got your UK ETA yet; wait until after she gets that new passport since the ETA is attached to the specific passport that you entered when you apply. Cheers!
Oops I missed the part about your Canada trip and her name change, sorry! Carry (copy of) her divorce decree with her?

Posted by
10614 posts

Could you simply renew passport with old name, take your trip, and then do the name change on return. Looks like that costs an extra $60 when you do this, but it would eliminate a lot of your worries.

Posted by
79 posts

You can typically renew a passport by mail with a name change, but you must use certified copies of the name change documents. I would review the current requirements online and then renew the passport as soon as you return from the trip to Canada using the expedited option. Once she receives her new passport, she will need to go through the UK ETA process since it is tied to her passport.

Posted by
2903 posts

For the UK you only need a passport that is valid for the duration of your stay - no additional 90-day/6 months rule rule.

For the Schengen area, you need a passport valid for 3 months beyond the date you intend to leave the area.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-nationals/index_en.htm

The reason why 6 months is strongly recommended (you'll likely be denied entry if your passport does not have 6 months) is that they'll give you entry for 90 days (which is 3 months), then add to that the 3 months beyond when your passport expires, which is 6 months. Can you argue the toss and say, well, I'm only going to stay one week, so my passport only needs to be valid for that one week and the extra 3 months? Maybe you can, but I wouldn't guarantee it.

Posted by
9550 posts

One important point being missed by what most are saying, to a degree, it matters not what France, Italy, or the UK says. It comes down to your airlines policy, if they feel you are cutting it too close, they don't let you fly, you never get to talk to a border agent in Europe. It was not uncommon for airlines to require 6 months of validity from departure, figuring you can legally stay three months, then the three month requirement, even though you have a sooner return date, you can change it, so figure the 90 day max.

Taking an intra-Europe flight, and even your Eurostar train (still have to go through passport control) complicates things.

I realize she has complications, but I would replace it, deal with name changes later, maybe pay to change the name on the ticket to Canada, but you are just leaving too many what-ifs that will burn you.

Posted by
3185 posts

Thanking all of you for your input.

We talked it over earlier this morning, and decided to go with her doing an in-person passport renewal just after we return from Canada in late September (told her it's her birthday present to me that week). I booked the flights after that using her born surname, neither American nor Easy Jet needed the passport numbers up front. The only glitch is her American Advantage account, for which I spoke with them and they said that they can later change the name on the account upon uploading the new docs, etc -without her current 2-piece last name it would not accept her account for the flight. And of course she will then need to get a new ETA, we had obtained them in early April 2025. For that matter, my TSA-Pre needs renewal end of year also.

I really needed to get this done now - the price was good for the open jaw (701 per), and American now has a $500 statement credit (went up from $400 earlier this week) on obtaining their Citi Mastercard, which I have just become re-eligible to receive. And I've a lot of other stuff that will keep me away from the computer for the next couple weeks.