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Is Chat GPT correct on this itinerary between Venice and Lucerne?

I've been trying to figure out how to include Venice, Bernina Express, and Lucerne without racing around or spending all day on trains in meh locations... We'd be spending three nights in Venice and 2-3 in Lucerne. Does this actually work??

ChatGPT said:
Here’s a sample scenic train itinerary starting in Venice, taking in Lake Como, riding the Bernina Express, and ending in Lucerne.

🗓️ Day 1 – Venice → Milan → Lake Como (Via Varenna)
Morning: Take a high-speed Trenitalia Frecciarossa or Italo from Venice Santa Lucia to Milan Centrale (~2.5 h).

Midday/afternoon: From Milan, board a regional Trenord train to Tirano, which runs along the Lake Como shore—passing Varenna, Lecco, Bellano—ideal for stopping at Varenna and heading by ferry to Bellagio or Como

Evening: Two nights in Como city or Varenna/Lecco for lakeside views.

Day 3 – Como → Tirano → Bernina Express → St. Moritz or Chur
Morning: Train from Como San Giovanni to Tirano (~2–2.5 h), passes stunning lakeshore, with ticket via Trenitalia or Trenord (no reservation needed)

Lunch in Tirano—easy walk between Italian and Swiss stations.

Afternoon: Board Bernina Express from Tirano to St. Moritz (~2 h 20 min) or onward to Chur (~4 h 20 min) using observation cars with panoramas. Seat reservation mandatory (~CHF 33–36 depending on season, or CHF 28 for short route)

Evening: Overnight in St. Moritz (recommended for alpine views) or Chur depending on end point of Bernina Express.

Day 4 – St. Moritz / Chur → Lucerne
Morning: If in St. Moritz, take Swiss domestic (SBB) train via Chur, then onward to Lucerne (~3 h total). If in Chur, board direct rail to Lucerne (~2.5–3 h).

Option: scenic routing via Gotthard Base Tunnel, or older Gotthard Panorama route via Bellinzona, giving views of Lake Lucerne and spiral loops through the Alps. The Gotthard Panorama Express (with boat + train) runs mid‑Apr to mid‑Oct and is slower but scenic (~5.5 h) if you have time

Day 5-9 – Lucerne
Explore the beautiful city including the Chapel Bridge, Lion Monument, nearby Mount Pilatus or Rigi excursions, or take a lake boat cruise.

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Posted by
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Chatgpt is indeed impressive!

(In a recent WSJ article, chatgpt confirmed and encouraged a mentally unstable person that his theories on faster than light travel were a scientific breakthrough! When his mother discovered this and confronted ChatGPT with this, it apologized. "That's on me.")

I have less expertise than others but some of the plan looks lovely to me!

Happy travels.

Posted by
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why in the world would you take the train from Milano Centrale for over an hour to just get the ferry at Varenna all the way back down to Como? Como = not the zippiest town in the world. You could have taken the train to Como S Giovanni and then up the lake to the scenic mid-lake area.

And Varenna is not the name of the station, it is Varenna-Esino. And you can't get there from Milan by train at the moment, it is train to Lecco and then bus.

Day 4, how do they see the world's longest and deepest train tunnel - over 35 miles long - as a scenic routing?????

Day 3 - stay in Como?? And then train (and bus) back up the periphery of the lake?? Wha??? Why bother going?

Most of the views of the lake are not visible from the train - use the ferries for that.

About that lunch in Tirano - first it is a very small place and choices are limited, second the 13:10 train to S Moritz will mean a very rushed lunch, and the 16:10 a very relaxed one.

Other than that, it is fairly ok-ish.

Posted by
29201 posts

Nigel nailed it..

In addition, every reliable source I've seen discourages St. Moritz as a place for tourists (as opposed to skiers) to spend the night. Pontresina is by all accounts more picturesque.

Posted by
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Instead of staying overnight in St. Moritz, consider getting off the train earlier at Morteratsch. There’s a secluded hotel right by the station, surrounded entirely by nature: Hotel Morteratsch. After a super easy 3 km hike, you’ll find yourself at the foot of a majestic glacier - a walk you can do before/after dinner.

Posted by
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Thanks so much -- looks like chatgpt was way off, good to know! I've posted a different query based on your responses.

Posted by
5165 posts

perhaps an old-fashioned guidebook is in order.

or consulting the Man in Seat 61.

Posted by
6796 posts

Or just ask the helpful folks here on the Forum....