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First Time to Italy (Itinerary Inside)

Hello all, long time lurker, first time poster. My wife and I have planned a trip to Italy in June and are in the midst of planning our itinerary out. We plan on doing all of our lodging reservations through AirBNB or other private BnB vendors. Please take a look at my tentative itinerary below and help me decide if this is the best course or not. Thanks.

  • Day 1 (5/31) : FLY
  • Day 2 (6/1) : Arrive PM ROM, ROM
  • Day 3 (6/2) : Vatican, ROM
  • Day 4 (6/3) : ROM
  • Day 5 (6/4) : Train (Vesuvius, Pompei), Stay in Sorrento
  • Day 6 (6/5) : Amalfi Coast
  • Day 7 (6/6) : Train -> Florence
  • Day 8 (6/7) : Florence -> Pisa -> CT
  • Day 9 (6/8) : CinqueTerre / Portofino (not sure where to stay here)
  • Day 10 (6/9) : Train -> Venice
  • Day 11 (6/10) : Venice
  • Day 12 (6/11) : Verona
  • Day 13 (6/12) : Train -> Milan
  • Day 14 (6/13) : FLY Home
Posted by
9 posts

How difficult of a transition is it from CT to Portofino? What is there to do there besides the view? Given that I'll be doing the Amalfi coast and CT, should I skip Portofino and save the time and head to Venice?

Posted by
10344 posts

Yes, I'd say skip Portofino but sleep in one of the 5 Cinque Terre villages, instead of Portofino (which technically probably is not considered Cinque Terre).

Posted by
36 posts

Personally, I'd spend more time in Florence. There are just so many things there. It really is the birthplace of the modern world.

Posted by
10344 posts

I sure wouldn't disagree with Joe on Florence.

Posted by
9 posts

Very good replies thus far. Planning already on staying in Riomaggiore.

Posted by
10344 posts

I count 11 destinations in 13 days on the ground.
By the standards of most travelers here, that's pushing it, to the point where it starts to detract from the quality of your experience. Things just become a blur and you see the inside of a lot of trains.
It's become a trite expression, but sometimes less really is more.

Posted by
9 posts

Kent, based on that itinerary, what would you change? My wife isn't into a lot of museums and things and is more of an outdoors person and likes to see the views and things. Give me a taste of what to expect in Florence.

Posted by
5202 posts

Rdavido,

I counted 12 nights on the ground (not counting travel days arrival & departure)
I can understand wanting to go to all the places on your itinerary but you're not giving yourself much time to enjoy any one location.

Keep in mind that spending one night in any one place = perhaps half a day to actually visit said location.

So 2 nights = 1 full day; 3 nights= 2 full days and so on...

Your present itinerary as it stands is equivalent to: 2 full days in Rome, 1 &1/2 days in Sorrento & AC,
1/2 day in Florence, 1 full day in CT, 1 full day in Venice, part of a day in Verona and part of a day in Milan.

I'd suggest staying in 3-4 locations (not counting the last night in Milan). This way, you will give yourselves more time to explore & enjoy each of your destinations, instead of just moving from place to place.

Don't underestimate the time it takes every time you change locations; arrive to new location, find hotel, check-in, unpack, get situated, etc... then check-out, get to train station, wait for train, transit time, then find hotel, check-in.....

I'd suggest something like this:
Rome (3-4 nights) > Florence (2-3N) > CT (2N) >Venice (2-3N) > Milan(1N)

Posted by
10344 posts

Answering your last question, it sounds like you will probably want to spend less time in Florence, because it's an art, architecture and museum kind of place--(edit) although there are some views, as Donna points out below.
CT is an outdoor place with views.

Posted by
1501 posts

If your wife is 'ourdoorsey' and likes views, make sure you go to the Boboli Gardens in Florence. They should be lovely in June. Also, take the city bus up to Piazza Michelangelo for sunset! Specifically Sunset! You will be able to see all of Florence as the sun sets from up there. There's only "one game in town" up there, but relax and enjoy an overpriced beverage. Well worth it. There's also a department store in Florence with a coffee shop on the roof. SOMEOME HELP I can't remember which department store it is!

The two biggest piazzas are spectacular in the evening, Piazza della Signoria and Piazza della Republica.

A favorite restaurant of mine is on the Arno River, "Golden View Open Bar." Lovely to enjoy that.

In Rome go to the Campo di Fiori in the morning where they sell beautiful flowers in the many stalls, as well as souvenirs, cheeses, salami, etc. It is breathtaking. It's fun to go to Piazza Navona and eat dinner/lunch and people watch. You're going to have a great trip, but I'd cut either Cinque Terre or Amalfi, because you're not spending enough days in a location to really enjoy anything. You don't want to see Italy from a train window or inside of a bus! You lose a half day every time you change locations, and sometimes even a full day. You've got to check out of the hotel, get to the train, wait for the train, ride the several hours, get to the next hotel, check in, etc.......you get my drift I'm sure.

Posted by
10344 posts

You could skip Florence and Verona and add 1 day to the Amalfi Coast and 1 day to CT.
And skip Milan unless you're departing from there for home or elsewhere in Europe.

Posted by
9 posts

What I'm gathering is that the transition from place to place isn't as quite seamless as I had originally planned. All the well. That's why I'm planning so far in advance, and have you all to refer to, so thanks! I'm going to have to take a deeper look. Of the Amalfi Coast vs CT, which would be best. I don't necessarily have to see Pompeii or Vesuvius. I would like to consolidate my trip, but the one concession that cannot be made is Verona. The wife saw a picture of something about outdoor operas there and it being a romantic town (feel free to support or debunk this). Additionally, I'll be in Roma on June 2, Republic Day. Has anyone been there during this period, and if so, what should I do to help celebrate? Thanks again for all the amazing, free, advice.

Edited to add: I don't really plan on spending time in Milan, except maybe to see the Duomo, but only using it as a launching pad to fly back home.

Posted by
1878 posts

In my opinion, Venice is a three night (two full days) city at a minimum. The same for Florence. Rome four nights (three full days) minimum. You definitely should plan your trip any way you want, but I think you are going way too fast. That's a lot of one night stays. Unless it's a small town and I don't plan on doing any day trips, I try to avoid even two night stays. Unless you already have the flight booked, I suggest flying into Venice and out of Rome, and dropping Milan. Make sure they have luggage storage when you are visiting places en route (Pisa and Pompeii). They used to have that at Pompeii but not sure about Pisa.

Posted by
787 posts

If you are outdoorsy people and really aren't that interested in museums, etc., then rethink your itinerary to focus on the activities that YOU enjoy. As another poster said, you can skip Florence, or indeed any of the cities. And I would very much agree, you are trying to pack too much in. (I LOVE art, history and culture, and on our first trip to Italy, we visited Florence and Venice, and then visited the more southern part of Italy on a subsequent trip; that way, we weren't traversing the entire country.)

Amalfi vs. Ligurian coast, I can't help much, except to share my own likes and dislikes. We went to Sorrento for two nights, because I really, really wanted to see Pompeii (and it is fabulous, especially if you are interested in ancient history). While the scenery was gorgeous, I didn't much like Sorrento otherwise, and I just don't love southern Italian cuisine (obviously, my very own prejudice). I like Ligurian cuisine a lot more (pasta with pesto, etc.), and do find the CinqueTerre enticing, despite all of the other tourists there. So I would vote for that area.

I did like Verona very much, a nice small city, though I was there when the opera was not on. Does your wife want to attend an opera? It does not look like they're performing on the dates you'll be in that part of Italy.

Even though Venice is obviously a city, it may be more interesting for outdoorsy types, as it's a city where you can do a lot of walking. I think the best thing to do in Venice is just wander around the street, admiring the canals and buildings. (Though there's plenty of excellent art, and a bunch of very interesting churches too.)

Posted by
244 posts

I agree with others, spend more time in each place you visit. If you want to choose between Cinque Terre and the Amalfi Coast. I would pick Cinque Terre. You can hike between towns, enjoy beautiful views, and relax. The Amalfi coast is amazing but more of a resort feel. With limited time, I would skip Florence if you are not into museums. My two cent: Fly into Rome, Cinque Terre, Florence, Verona, Venice. Fly out of Venice. You will have a wonderful time! Enjoy!

Posted by
9 posts

It sounds like I will be nixing the Amalfi Coast in favor of the CT. Let me see how this would work.

  • Day 1: FLY
  • Day 2: Arrive PM ROM
  • Day 3: ROM
  • Day 4: ROM
  • Day 5: ROM
  • Day 6: Florence
  • Day 7: Florence
  • Day 8: CT
  • Day 9: CT
  • Day 10: Venice
  • Day 11: Venice
  • Day 12: Verona
  • Day 13: Verona AM -> Milan PM for airport
  • Day 14: Fly Home

How does that sound? 5 (1/2) towns in 12 days with 5 transfers.

Posted by
1994 posts

I would trim further – I'm not sure this last schedule allows for how much time will be lost in transit.

Since you're not into museums and art, I would drop Florence and add those days to the CT and possibly Rome. Also, Venice and Verona are very close to each other by train – I would stay in one and do the other as a day trip, saving the time you'd spend changing hotels. Because Venice is so unique, I would stay there, and go to Verona on a day trip for the opera. Alternatively you could stay in Verona and do Venice and the lake as day trips.

One last point – since you plan to go in June, it's getting a little late to book lodgng, particularly in the CT and Venice. I would do that as soon as possible.

Posted by
11294 posts

Have you booked your flights already? I don't know where you're coming from in the US, but if you don't have nonstop flights from Milan (and even if you do), consider flying home from Verona. If you have no desire to see Milan, this will give you more time in Verona and/or Venice.

As a bonus, even if you have an early flight from Verona (likely, as you'll have to make a connection to get to the US), Verona's airport isn't far from the city, so a taxi won't be expensive. While Milan Linate isn't far from the city, Milan Malpensa is very far, so an early flight from there isn't fun.

Or, consider the common advice here, and fly into Venice and out of Rome. Rome's airport is easy to get to at an early hour (a taxi at that time takes about 35 minutes and costs a fixed €48). Venice's airport, on the other hand, is a pain to get to early in the morning.

One more wrinkle in all this: lately, it's been much cheaper to fly from the US to Milan than to other Italian airports. But make sure the savings are worth any extra time it takes to get where you really want to be.

"What I'm gathering is that the transition from place to place isn't as quite seamless as I had originally planned."

It's not that it's full of seams; it's that you lose a half-day or more each time you transition, and you have to orient yourself to a new place. If you're doing that every day or two, it gets tiring, and you need a vacation after your vacation. By picking fewer places and spending a bit more time in each, you "see" less, but appreciate more. Remember Rick's sage words: "Assume you will return."

Posted by
4105 posts

Think about this, it's much more relaxed.

1 Fly

2 Arrive Rome.

3 Rome.

4 Rome.

5 Rome.

6 Rome-La Spezia 9:57-13:58 4H01m Train to Riomaggori 08m.

7 Riomaggori.

8 Riomaggori.

9 La Spezia-Venezia 10:06-14:20 4H14m Vaporetto to dock closest to lodging.

10 Venezia.

11 Venezia.

12 Venezia-Veronna 8:50-10:00 or 10:50-12:00 1H01m.

13 Verona.

14 Veronna-Milano 9:32-10:55 or 10:02-11:25 1H23m Malpensa express to airport 42-56m.

It takes time to transit. Pack up, check out, then get to station. Minimum of 40 minutes,
Then add at least 15 minutes before train boards, more if purchasing tickets. The next thing
you know you're doing the reverse. This all adds up.

Whatever you do decide, have a wonderful trip.

Posted by
32198 posts

rd,

Based on the last Itinerary you posted, a more logical and efficient route would be.....

  • Rome
  • Cinque Terre
  • Florence
  • Venice
  • Verona
  • Milan

Visiting six locations in 14 days is an average of about 2.3 days per location, with no allowances for travel times. The route suggested above minimizes travel times, but even so each change of location will generally require about half a day.

While visiting all the locations on your list might be feasible, you might want to skip one place to allow a more relaxed Itinerary. Of the places on the list above, Venice is the "outlier", however skipping Verona would also help.

For travel in June, it would be prudent to get hotels booked SOON (especially in the C.T.).

Posted by
15576 posts

Verona is one of my favorite places in Italy. Take a look at the Verona Card website for the sights to see. The opera season begins on Jun 20, so if you want to see the opera, you'd have to change the dates of your trip.

Posted by
11613 posts

There may be concerts or other events besides opera during your trip, you can check the city's website for events.

Posted by
9 posts

Based on train times, it would be the most efficient to travel from ROM to CT vs ROM to Florence and then CT. So, I will adjust my schedule accordingly. Alternatively, I could also do a late afternoon train ride from ROM to CT on Day 5 and have 2.3 days in ROM.

Posted by
4105 posts

It looks like you would still like to include Florence. This would only be a taste of Florence.

Day 5. Rome-La Spezia. 15:57-17:13. 3H55m.

Day 6. Riomaggori.

Day 7. Riomaggori.

Day 8. La Spezia-Florence. 7:35-10:00. 2H25m. Ch/Pisa. Taste of Florence.

Day 9. Florence-Venice. 13:30-14:35. 2H05m

Day 10. Venice.

Day 11. Venice

Day 12. Venice-Verona. 8:50-10:00. 1H01m

Day 13. Verona

Day 14. Verona-Milan for afternoon flight