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First-Time Itinerary: Venice, Florence, Rome ... and what else?

Hello! This is my first post on this forum, but I have Rick Steves' Italy guide book and have been reading it and doing additional research the past five months or so.

My husband and I (32 and 30) will be going on our first overseas trip and spending 13 nights in Italy the last week of May and first week of June, 2018. We have booked flights into Venice and out of Rome. We realize this is high season for tourists and everything that comes with it, but I wanted to get input about three potential itineraries, mainly with regard to crowds and ease of transportation. For us on vacations, experiencing food, wine and local culture is most important. We also like history and nature and would like to see the coast for the views and hiking -- not necessarily for lounging by the beach. But I would sacrifice seeing the coast if we are going to have to spend too much time getting there or will be too bothered with crowds (which both of my options may involve, as you will see). We are interested in art, too.

I realize some will say we are short changing Rome in all these scenarios, but we have done research and feel good about fitting everything in that we want to see. Also, I have allotted a bit more time to Florence for the ease of possible day trips and because our alma mater (and my employer) has a campus in Florence that we would like to see and meet the staff, if time allows. I also like the idea of staying in one area a little bit longer, and Florence just seems to have the most to offer.

We will be relying on public transportation, and this is not negotiable. Neither of us want to deal with car rental and driving in a foreign country on our first trip overseas. I include questions in the itineraries below mainly related to transportation and crowd size. I'd appreciate your input!

Itinerary #1 - This is what I was set on for some time, but I am really turned off by the idea of CT crowds. Is two nights worth the trip when we know it's going to be packed with tourists during the day?
Venice - arrive around 1pm after overnight flight, 3 nights
Florence - 5 nights, with a day trip to Siena and a wine-focused excursion to the Tuscan countryside
Cinque Terre - 2 nights (arrive as early as possible when traveling from Florence)
Rome - 3 nights

Itinerary #2 - Doesn't include any time on the coast ... is there a hidden gem day trip from Florence (or Rome? I could move a day from Florence to Rome for a day trip) to the coast that we can fit in? Will we feel like we missed out? It will be some time before we are back (at least 7-10 years)
Venice - arrive around 1pm after overnight flight, 3 nights
Florence - 5 nights with day trips to countryside and maybe others
Siena - 2 nights
Rome - 3 nights

Itinerary #3 - Less time in Florence than I would like (would we have time for both a wine excursion and Siena day trip?), includes coastal base of Sorrento.
Venice - arrive around 1pm after flight, 3 nights
Florence - 4 nights; would still like to fit in Tuscan wine country and Siena
Sorrento - 3 nights, day trips to Pompei, Amalfi Coast, maybe Capri
Rome - 3 nights

What do you think?

Posted by
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I like #3. Supposedly Venice is a great place to combat jetlag, Florence for 4 nights allows at least one daytrip to Tuscany or Siena, Sorrento for three nights is great because you can daytrip each day and come back to some scrumptious food in Sorrento at night, and Rome is Rome. You have to be there on the night before departure, but you'll be back to Rome on another trip. We were there two nights in 2010, a week this last March, and now I want to spend the winter there as soon as I can work it. Oh--and totally doable start-to-finish by train, bus & Metro.

Posted by
8233 posts

Just one note the crowds were less along Cinque Terre after 6pm also.
Stick with the first Itinerary and cover the south on another trip.

Posted by
1321 posts

First let me say - I'm not a fan of Venice during the day - WAY TOO crowded for me with all the cruise ships, but at night it is awesome. 3 nights seems ok since one is arrival night.
Florence - after two trips to Florence it is moving to the bottom of my "favorite" cities in Italy - I think 4 nights is plenty including wine and Siena...which is magical at night as well. And I agree skip the south this trip BUT add a trip to the Lake District - Lake Como or Maggiorie

Venice - 3 nights
Lake Stay (We love Bellagio and Stresa but coming from Venice I'd pick Bellagio on Lake Como) - 3 nights - quickly becoming my favorite place in Italy
Florence - 4 nights
Rome - 3 nights

If not the Lakes then maybe Bologna if you like food it is the food capital of Italy but 1 or 2 days is plenty for a first visit but could be a day trip on the train from Florence

Posted by
158 posts

Have you looked at the train routes between cities? It's too early to look for your exact dates, but I find it helps me plan to see what routes are available and how many transfers each move would take.

Posted by
12055 posts

I do not see that there is a bad choice among the 3.

As for crowd size, you are as much part of the 'problem' as anyone/everyone else. Have been to Italy in June and July and while we never felt lonely, never found the crowds to be unbearable

Posted by
1407 posts

Venice
This is my favourite city in Italy so I am biased.

You need to see the crowds to understand what it is about😉 Take a bus from the airport (we used to take the boat, but you really don't see anything through the salt caked windows, and a water taxi is too expensive for my taste. YMMV) and then walk to your hotel, carrying your luggage. You are young so should have no problem. After that you will unserstand what people mean when they talk about Venetian crowds.

Next morning raise early and visit the fish market next to Ponte Rialto. After that walk to the north coast and take the boat to Murano and Burano, have lunch in Burano and return around 6pm. Have a drink, a shower, and dinner. Then go to Piazza San Marco and listen to the music. Sit down and have a drink if you feel you can afford it. Note: a drink can be wine, beer, coffee or anything you fancy.

The doges palace is very interesting, but will also be there next time you visit. I wouldn't visit if I was still jetlagged.

Also see veniceforvisitors.com.

Posted by
15798 posts

Instead of the CT, have you considered going to one of the lakes or even to the Dolomites instead? Lots of scenery, hiking options and not nearly as crowded.

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Thanks, all, for the replies so far. We have thought briefly about the lakes, but not seriously looked into it. I will do some reading, as it seems to be a common suggestion. Would two nights between Venice and Florence be sufficient?

No one said much about Itinerary #2, but I want to bring this question forward: Is there a lesser known coastal day trip with some pretty views that we could do from Florence OR Rome? (If Rome, I would move a day from Florence to Rome.) No beach necessary, just some nice scenery with coastal views, that we could get to with public transportation.

And the consensus seems to be to leave the Sorrento area (itinerary 3) for another trip? The more I read about it, I like the idea of seeing some of the south --but only if it makes sense and doesn't eat up a ton more travel time than our other options! I ask because I looked up train times/transfers, and it seems like the amount of time traveling is not much different, between Florence to CT to Rome, versus Florence to Sorrento to Rome. It just seems like the bulk of traveling for CT would fall on getting our next destination, Rome, whereas, the bulk of traveling for Sorrento would be getting there, from Florence. That was looking at train times and transfers alone, so are there other logistical concerns with the Sorrento area to build in travel time for?

Finally, if CT crowds thin out by 6, what is one recommended to do during the day? I have read that you have to wait in line to hike the trails and to get in anywhere for a bite to eat, and that was the point where I started questioning our initial itinerary (#1). Is that really the case, or is that an exaggeration by people who are bitter that it "isn't what it used to be"? I can handle crowds, but waiting in line to do anything like we are in Disney World is where I draw the line.

You can see from my questions that my thoughts are still all over the place. For those of you saying everywhere will be crowded, I understand that and am prepared for that. Rick and others seem to have plenty of good tips for preplanning for the crowds for the larger cities. But I've yet to read good advice about how to enjoy CT during the day in June. Thank you!

Posted by
5280 posts

If by "Would two nights between Venice and Florence be sufficient?" you mean one night in each, then my answer would be no. That really does not give enough time for either. Venice deserves, in my opinion, at least three nights and Florence two at a minimum and three would be better.

Posted by
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No, TC, I meant would spending two nights at the lakes in between longer stays in Venice (3) and Florence (5) be sufficient to enjoy the lakes? Sorry!

Posted by
11613 posts

Two nights at one of the lakes would be a nice substitute for CT.

Posted by
5280 posts

Thanks for the clarification. With that it mind I'd opt for a couple of nights at Lake Como. Small villages, very scenic, and you shouldn't have too much of a crowd problem.