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First Time in Italy (13 days)

Hey so I’m working on my European itinerary and I think I found out an awesome itinerary for Italy. I only have 13 days but that’s still almost 2 weeks and more time than any other country in my euro trip haha.

The itinerary goes as such:
Day 1: Arrive in Milan by plane from Paris. Get settled into hotel. Explore around hotel and get something for dinner.
Day 2: Visit the The Last Supper fresco (I’ll book this in advance). Visit the Milan Cathedral (I’ll also be booking in advance the ticket to see all parts of the cathedral).
Day 3: Take early train to Venice and check into hotel. Explore the Grand Canal and just wander. No set in stone plans.
Day 4: Take the entire day exploring the canals. See St. Marks Square/Cathedral and Rialto Bridge sometime within the 2 day. No rushing. All layed back.

(My experience in Northern Italy is brief due to my greater interest in Florence and Rome, but I wanted to get a taste so I could hold onto a memory before my next visit)

Day 5: Take early train to Florence. Check into hotel. Explore and wander around. No set in stone plans.
Day 6: See the Statue of David (I’ll have the Florence pass before arriving). Photograph the Duomo and Ponte Vecchio.
Day 7: Uffizi Galery & Palazzo Vecchio (Florence Pass), Piazza Michelangelo & Piazza Signoria.
Day 8: Take a day out to Tuscany. I haven’t decided between Pisa, Lucca, Sienna, or taking a wine tour.
Day 9: Take early train to Rome. Check into hotel. Explore or take the opportunity to rest and recharge.
Day 10: Colosseum, Roman Forum, & Palatine Hill (I’ll have the ticket ordered before arriving). Go to bed early to prepare for tomorrow.
Day 11: Private Pompeii day tour from Rome. LONG DAY, hence the early bed time the night before. I didn’t want to have the tour right before flying out of Italy so I’m booking it on this day.
Day 12: Explore Rome at own pace. Make sure to at least see the Pantheon, Trevi Fountain, and Piazza Navona.
Day 13: Spend the entire day exploring (at my leisure) the Vatican and Vatican museums. (I’ll be booking the tickets in advance.
Day 14: Fly off to Athens.

This is definitely an ambitious itinerary and I’m sure some may be opposed to Pompeii or making Venice so brief, but I sorted out what was important to me. I love Renaissance art and ancient antiquities. I could have added Naples but other than Pompeii….Milan & Venice (even brief stays) seem more interesting to me. Plus because I’m arriving in Venice so early coming from Milan, I effectively have two-ish full days in Venice, and I don’t have to meet any times for prebooked excursions. The only goal is to wander and be charmed by the canals and architecture :)

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Day 6: See the Statue of David (I’ll have the Florence pass before
arriving). Photograph the Duomo and Ponte Vecchio. Day 7: Uffizi
Galery & Palazzo Vecchio (Florence Pass),

The Firenze Card is not available at this time- changes due to COVID. So you will have to prebook these entries ahead of time. Use the official websites for that.

http://sorry.055055.it/service_maintenance_ficard_shop.html

Otherwise I think you've got a decent plan- a bit fast paced as you already realize but it will work.

TBH- The Firenze Card would probably not have saved you any money for just the few things you would have used it for

Accademia
https://www.galleriaaccademiafirenze.it/en/tickets/

Uffizi
https://www.uffizi.it/en/the-uffizi#timetable-prices

Palazzo Vecchio
https://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/en/palazzovecchio/

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Day one - hopefully by the time you go there’ll be a direct overnight train from Paris to Milan and you can sleep in a couchette.
Day three – I suggest sleeping near the train station because it will be easier finding your hotel. At dusk take a train from one end of the canal to the other i.e., San Marco square to the train station.
Day four – get lost. When you're ready to get back on the beaten path, follow the crowd.
Day five – take Rick Steves (RS) self-guided walking tour(s).
Day eight – go to Siena.
Day nine – sleep in the Trastevere neighborhood.
Day twelve – take RS Heart of Rome self-guided walk.

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JMO
But why would you want an overnight train when you can fly in less than 2 hours?

I’ll admit I’ve never tried an overnight train but from things I’ve read it’s not really conducive to a good night’s sleep

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Perhaps the original has been edited? Right now it says “arrive in Milan by plane from Paris”.

Your itinerary sounds fine to me; and wandering around Venice with no set plans is wonderful. You will want one vaporetto ride down the Grand Canal to see the palazzi from the water. But mainly we like to explore on foot. Be sure to cross the Accademia Bridge and make your way to Punta della Dogana for a great view across the water to Piazza San Marco.

Just be aware that all those early trains will likely get you to your destination before check-in time at your hotel. But you should be able to leave your luggage in their care until such time as you can check in, then go explore a bit.

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Hi again! Wow, you've really pounded things out since you first began the plan! :O)

Looks fine to me but I think you can add to Day 5 and Day 6 in Florence. The Accademia is not very large so won't eat much time, and it sounds like you're just going to snap the exterior of the cathedral? That's fine, IMHO, it's more impressive outside than in, and it REALLY pops for the camera after dark when all lit up. For example:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dome_of_Florence_Cathedral_2013-02-27_(night).jpg
https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-florence-duomo-night-firenze-italy-unusual-view-main-church-city-image30779109

The best place to shoot Ponte Vecchio is just about anywhere but ON it. Anyway, I think you can add some things without having to rush...which I know you don't want to do! If you shoot the bridge on your Day 5 walkabout and the Duomo at night, it leaves almost the whole Day 6 (minus the Accademia) free. Museo San Marco is wonderful and close to the Accademia, as is Piazza della SS Annunziata. Pop into the church (Basilica della Santissima Annunziata) for a peek at the frescoes in the Cloister of the Votivi:

https://www.visitflorence.com/florence-monuments/piazza-ss-annunziata.html
https://www.visitflorence.com/florence-churches/santissima-annunziata.html

https://www.visitflorence.com/florence-museums/san-marco.html
(DO check hours against the official website: http://www.polomusealetoscana.beniculturali.it/index.php?it/190/museo-di-san-marco-firenze&utm_source=visitflorence.com&utm_campaign=DiscoverTuscany&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=/florence-museums/san-marco.html0

The day you make it up to Piazzale Michelangelo, leave some time to climb even further up to San Miniato al Monte? That's a really old and important structure.
https://www.visitflorence.com/florence-churches/san-miniato.html

And one for Milan: Santa Maria delle Grazie (where you'll see the Last Supper) is really close to Basilica di Sant'Ambrogio: well worth a stop-in, IMHO, as she's a very old and interesting lady. Don't miss the fascinating carvings on the capitals of the portico's pillars/semi columns.
http://www.basilicasantambrogio.it/la-basilica/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Sant%27Ambrogio

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Perhaps the original has been edited? Right now it says “arrive in
Milan by plane from Paris”.

No- it wasn't edited. My comment is in response to Mary Pat's suggestion to take an overnight train.

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hey hey fghlik
yes you have a busy itinerary, and that's your choice. i like to roam and enjoy the atmosphere around me. when are you traveling?
as lola mentions, make sure whatever hotel you are staying at, they have storage for your luggage. check in is usually 2-3pm. if they do, leave it and roam around the area seeing what sites are nearby then back for checkin.
i have been to just a few that do not have storage, read the fine print or email them to be very sure. you don't want to be lugging luggage around, been there done that.
sounds like a great trip, research does wonders and pays off in the end.
enjoy your first trip to italy, you'll love it and planning next trip on your flight back. don't forget about eating gelato.
plus always make sure you validate train tickets before you get on train, should have machine right before you start walking to train, ask if you need help.
withlocals.com
maybe a city highlight tour
veloleo.com
rickshaw/pedicab tour of city highlights. we did something like this in florence after walking so much and our feet/toes needed rest. my driver turned out to be an opera singer and sang our way thru the streets and alleyways. fabulous
aloha

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Yeah it may be cheaper to just pay for the sites separately vs buying the Florence Pass.

Yeah it’s extremely busy. I’m hoping to work in rest time most of the days. Obviously there isn’t much time for rest in Milan, Venice, or the day going to Pompeii. The idea is to do everything early in the first half of the day, then eat and relax/rest in the second half of the day.

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When is this trip?

As I posted above you don’t even have the option of purchasing the “Florence Pass” or Firenze Card now

Whether it is available again at a later date is unknown but the 3 places you want to use it would not add up to any savings, in fact will be a waste of money

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Absolutely. Even If the Firenzecard is active again at the time of the trip, it wouldn't be worth the 85 euro for just the Accademia, Uffizi and Palazzo Vecchio so I'd either buy individual tickets or see what you could add to the sightseeing list that the pass covers. Do check to see which of the attractions might require an advance, timed-entry reservation whether the card (if active) is used or not?

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I find out by the end of this year if I’m going next June. I kinda doubt it given all of the border hopping my trip was supposed to be doing.

London—>Paris—>Italy—>Greece—>Istanbul

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But why would you want an overnight train when you can fly in less
than 2 hours?

Reducing your carbon footprint would be one very good reason for using a train instead of a plane.

Also, the time savings generally aren't nearly as great as it seems when comparing only the net travel time. Most airports are out somewhere in the boondocks, and it will take you at least an extra hour each way just to get there. Train stations, on the other hand, are usually located right in the center of things. Then, you will have to be at the airport a lot earlier than your flight actually starts for security, checking your baggage, boarding, and all that. By that time, there isn't all that much left from your time savings vs. train.

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It appears that you only have two days in Venice and only plan to wander? Consider actually going into St. Marks, also take the Doges Palace tour, perhaps a gondola ride and go up the tower at St. Marks Square.

In Florence, do you plan to visit the Duomo?

You plan for Rome is pretty good, check out Trajan's Forum and the Capitoline Hill Museum if you have time.