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Fall trip to Italy from MN

Though we've traveled to Europe quite a few times now, we've not yet been to Italy. We are thinking about doing the RS Rome Tour. We have never done a tour and have always traveled on our own. We'd like to do some independent travel on both ends of the trip. I've spent a lot of time playing with $$ and Miles on Delta and also some time on Google flights. It would appear that the only reasonable fare I can get is round trip to Zurich (about $900 vs. 1350 or so). So I could look at flying from Zurich to Florence or Rome or using the train, or perhaps train one way and plane back. It looks as though the most direct train route is Zurich to Milan though I need to look at the Swiss Train map to determine if another route might be more scenic. I've been doing a lot of research to determine preferences in Italy, and I'm not sure I'm all that interested in Milan (should I be?). The cities/areas of most interest for this trip (there will likely be more trips) would be Florence, Sienna, and smaller less touristy Tuscan town; Assisi and smaller less touristy Umbrian town(s), and possibly something around Lago Maggiore and possibly Cinque Terre, depending on how much time we have (in addition to the 7 days in Rome). If we have time, and if it makes sense itinerary time, we might spend a day or so in Luzern (have already been there). Not sure if we'd have enough time to do any more in Switzerland, tho I'd love to return to BO, or try Lausanne/Vevey.

I'm not much of a shopper. We like food and wine and scenic areas, and interesting architecture. I love to visit churches and to spend some time in art museums.

And as an aside, in terms of airline tickets, if I do use Delta, if I wanted to check my luggage on the way home, I could with my AMEX card. But it looks like I could end up paying a quite bit if I want to pick my seat, which is aggravating.

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Milan is the financial hub of Italy and fashion hub of Europe, maybe the world. It was bombed during WWII by the Allies so lost some of the charm other Italian cities have. And daVinci’s The Last Supper is there.
The airport MXP id located north of Milan, close to Lake Maggiore, a very short and easy drive after landing from an international flight. Most stay in Stresa on west side, but Ranco on the east side of tne lake , has ferry service, is near MXP and charming.
You can take the autostrada to Florence or wherever you are heading in Tuscany. See Florence, Siena and perhaps a smaller town on SR 22, the historic Chiantigianna, that links Florence and Siena. Look at the charming towns of Radda, Castellina, Panzano and Greve.
In Umbria, Assisi and beautiful hill town Spello would work well. We stayed in Spello for two weeks and toured many nearby villages, Bevagna, Montefalco, etc. as well as larger Assisi and Perugia.
Stay in Italy rather than mixing up this trip with Switzerland. If you were only staying in the north it would work, but by going as far south as Rome, it doesn’t work for me. We did combine Switzerland and Italy one time: Milan, Two Italian Lakes- Maggiore and Orta, Switzerland( Grindelwald and Pontresina), Then, a third Italian Lake, Lake Como. We picked up and dropped off our car in Milan.
We had been in Lucerne on another, earlier trip.

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Suki, I get what you are saying, but I think Zurich is our only affordable airport. I checked Rome, Florence and Milan. If we do end up staying in Switzerland my guess is that it would be just a day or so in Luzern before taking the train to somewhere in Northern Italy. I think it was just 3.5 hours to Milan. Then we'd work our way down to Rome. Perhaps we'd fly to Zurich for our flight home.Thanks for the recs on the smaller towns. I will research them!

Another question would be if I choose to fly back to Zurich, is there a particular city where its more convenient/cheaper, etc.?

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Yes, it makes sense to fly one way (Rome, assuming that is the furthest south), and then use the train the other way (Florence, Sienna and wherever else. Venice?).

Yes, you are correct that all rail routes from Switzerland lead to Milan. Whether you stop there or continue is your choice.

You asked about a Swiss rail map, there is one here: https://www.sbb.ch/content/dam/sbb/de/infotexte/uebersichtskarte-sts.pdf
The direct route south from Zürich to Milan is also the quickest, and goes through the new Gotthard base tunnel, under the Alps. The longest rail tunnel in the world. Fast, but you miss the best bits.

If you want a scenic route, I suggest the Bernina Pass route (google "Bernina Express" for pictures), and a stop on lake Como. Proceed as follows:
1) From Zürich airport, head fro Chur (South-East of Zürich, see map). Overnight there. This is to recover from jet lag.
2) Day 2, Bernina Pass route. South from Chur to Tirano. This is the only rail route that goes OVER the Alps, instead of through a tunnel. Continue from Tirano to Varenna on lake Como. 1 or more nights.
3) From Varenna, you cam head by train (via Milan) to Venice, Florence or wherever.

After Italy, fly back from Rome (or wherever your southernmost point is) to Zürich

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Considering the total cost of your trip, bite the bullet and choose your seats.

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Have you looked at flying into Bologna? We were able to get great airfares with Delta, into Venice/out of Bologna. Bologna is a great rail transit hub, so it should be easy to get from there to Rome. Also, Bologna has quite a few interesting sites to visit. Happy planning!

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Hello! I'm from MN, that's why I clicked on your Q.

1) we just flew round-trip to Zurich (April 25, returned May 6) from MSP for $405 each. After I had purchased those tickets, I saw that Milan would have been $385 each for the same dates. I've shopped in October for April/May dates and have found good deals. BUT I doubt you can change your dates by so many months!

2) When we flew to Italy the first time, we flew into Venice and out of Rome.
Consider the TIME savings and also the COST of your second plane/train ride to get to/away from Italy.
When we did that Italy trip we used Delta miles and it went well.

3) On our recent flight to Switzerland we went through Philadelphia. American Airlines (bad planes, good employees) had my wife and me several rows apart! It would have cost $100 each to choose our seats. We arrived at the gate early and the moment an employee showed up, they moved us together - no-charge. We also had to do that for one other flight on this trip.

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@Den, thanks for the idea. I just tried Bologna, same sort of price range, horrible itineraries. One would take 35 hours.
@Evan, I suspect that you are spot on in terms of prices being better in the spring. We always end up needing to go in the fall due to kids' schedules, tho that will be changing since our youngest two are graduating from college in the next weeks. This past year we ended up using points to go to Spain, which worked out well, but I don't have quite enough points for flights to Italy, and we have to use cash for my husband's ticket. It is so much cheaper RT to Zurich (like $500/per ticket) that it doesn't make sense for us to fly into Italy unless something were to crop up.
@Suki, I'm afraid you're right, it makes no sense to make the flight even more uncomfortable, with bad seats. I need to me able to rest my head against a window and my husband at 6-2, would be really cranky on a long flight if he weren't on the isle. Also, in regard to the small town suggestions you provided for Tuscany and Umbria, would we find public transportation cumbersome? We have rented cars in Spain and France so we can do the same in Italy, though our preference is always public transportation when it makes sense.
@Chris F, just WOW! sure glad I didn't spend anytime searching logistics and itineraries for Zurich to Italy. Your suggestion on route, I think is perfect, and I love the idea that we'd be taking a more scenic route (fingers crossed for clear skies). It really gets us to Italy fairly quickly with a little perk of a bit of Switzerland on the way. So a few follow up questions. Last time we were in Switzerland, I had a Swiss Travel Pass. This time, since we just need a couple train tickets, I will just buy point to point tickets. I thought I had heard SBB prices were always the same? Except poking around on SBB and loco2, there seems to be a benefit to purchasing a few months in advance. Am I correct? I would just purchase Zurich to Chur day of since you never really know how the flight and related will go. And any particular airline I might look for to fly Rome to Zurich? Next, from a quick view of pictures of Chur, I believe I saw grapes. Any idea of any wine tasting within the city or in reach of public transportation? And lastly (for now), I would love the taste of Lake Como. It looks like the weather in Varenna mid October is still somewhat favorable. High of 60F low of 50F, any experience in that area at that time of year? In Minnesota, we'd call that beautiful fall weather!
Thanks a bunch!

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Don't give up on Delta to Milan --- with patience, I have always been able to find a round trip MSP to MXP (usually with a layover in JFK or Amsterdam, and always choosing our seats) for less than $1000. The prices fluctuate in a ridiculous manner. Can you fly mid-week? Can you depart super early in the morning? These both seem less painful to me than flying to Zurich and going by train to get to Italy.

Milan has quite a number of interesting things IN it (such as the monumental cemetery and the roof of the duomo), but it's never seemed fun to us as a city.

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Matrix ita software, though still owned by google flights, has more airline options. I like the multi city options and the ability to choose nearby airports (you choose the distance). Thus a search may pick up Milan, Bologna, Pisa. If flexible with dates, or want to limit number of stops involved, there are search options to add in for these.

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Happy, Happy Day! A bit of a drop in airfare. I got a Delta flight into Zurich and out of Rome for $950 (including seat assignment). Yes, people that are lucky to live in cities with more choice, this is a good fare. I paid a bit more to fly out of Rome, but its worth it. The Zurich leg kept the price down some, and Chris F. has me pretty excited about the brief foray thru Switzerland and Lake Como