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Driving route from Ortisei to south of Siena

Wondering about best driving route from Hotel Grones in Ortisei (the Dolomites) to Siena (just 5 miles south, Villa Borghetto on Strada die Tufi.).

We will depart Ortisei between 8 - 9 am on Friday, Sept. 27. We will have had a nice breakfast at our AirBnb, but will need lunch somewhere along the way as we near Siena.

We will have all our luggage in the car so perhaps lunch somewhere charming, (not a large city), not expensive, without risk of theft?

We will have done a scenic drive already from Venice to Ortisei on the front end of our trip, so looking for the most expedient drive from the Dolomites to our place in Siena. We'd like some time in Siena on our day of arrival if possible, but not required.

Willing to depart fast track for a special lunch/town along the way if it's worth it.

Any advice much appreciated! Thank you!

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Thank you! But would have mentioned we will have 5 nights in Tuscany and will keep our car while there

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To add: we drop our car in Florence after our stay in Siena.

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Just clicked on your link—the switched on toggle button in that link was “avoiding highways” which makes a huge difference timewise, like 3 hours difference! We are fine with highways , just looking for a lunch place in a hassle-free town along the way… 4-5 hour drive time not 9 hours as your link suggests.. ?

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Sorry—it must have been my own program —I use Google maps too. Looks like it’s just 5 1/2 hour or so—which is what I expected…
Anyway.. still looking for a nice break in the drive for lunch if anyone knows of one? We’ll be ready… thank you for input !

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Yes! I understand all your points. I should have mentioned our car drop off in Florence after our visit to Tuscany is set and we are committed to that.

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Thank you for the suggestions—it’s good food for thought. We’ll mull over whether it’s worth the extra time to return in Bolzano and pick up a new car in Florence if taking the train. Sometimes those things take time as well… my husband says he doesn’t mind the longer drive, however.. I appreciate the input!

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Don’t bother splitting your car rental. Too much hassle having to return the car in Bolzano and take the train. Most rental agencies in Bolzano are at the airport, not near the station, so you will likely need a taxi. Also you would need to pick up another car in Florence and driving out of the city center is a hassle if you don’t know the city. I’ve given instructions in past posts, but many Americans still feel uncomfortable driving in Florence. Also the rentals are usually not in the station in Florence so you’d need to walk the city streets with all your luggage to the rental agencies.

The drive from Ortisei to your final destination is 470km, so assuming no road work or major accidents along the freeway (nearly all drive will be on freeways), the drive should be about 5+ hours. Obviously for a drive that long you will need pit stops for bio breaks.

Don’t bother with exiting the freeways for lunch. Each time you exit you’d need to pay tolls. Also driving is surface streets in a city to find a specific restaurant might take time and is a hassle.

The rest stops on the Italian freeway system are equipped with gas stations, mini supermarkets, cafeteria restaurants, coffee bars, restrooms, shower facilities, playgrounds. Look for signs for AREA DI SERVIZIO along the route. There will be one every 15km-30 km on average.

The cafeteria restaurants are restaurant chain concessions. The most famous chains are Autogrill, Chef Express, and Sarni. On the freeway you will be traveling there are all of them but all of them are good. Near Modena there is even Eataly by Autogrill. Save the location on your phone. I like to stop at that Autogrill location so I also shop at Eataly which has good stuff. From Ortisei it should take you about 3 hours to drive to that Area di Servizio location, so, assuming you leave by 10am after breakfast, you should get there right at lunch time.

Usually when I travel I have luggage in the car, so I try to park in a stall where I can keep an eye on the car from the Autogrill restaurant. That is not always possible, as sometimes I can’t find parking in the perfect stall, so take the valuables with you. Generally those places are safe as there are lots of people coming in and out of the restaurant or supermarket to go to the car.

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Roberto, this is most helpful!

We have decided to keep the car, so very good to know about avoiding extra tolls by exiting for lunch. I appreciate the specific recommendations for good places to stop--I am sure they will more than suffice. In the States, of course, fueling stations offering decent food are more rare than not!

Also appreciate parking suggestions to avoid theft with our luggage.

RE: tolls: I am assuming we can pay tolls with an American credit card? Do any require cash only on this route? Any signage we should look for at tolls in order to get in the correct lane?

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I drive every year a similar route - Florence to Innsbruck and vv. - I once managed to do it in 4 1/2 hours, but 6 hours is a more likely timing in real traffic conditions; truck traffic may be intense. In some summer weekends it could take a whole day. The southbound route is a little quicker than the northbound one (due to long term works around Florence, only in the north direction). I usually stop for lunch at Isera, near Rovereto (this adds an 1 1/2 hour stop, of course), where there are two good restaurants (Casa del Vino della val Lagarina and Cantina De Tarczal, both very good wineries even if the driver can't really drink). Exiting the highway adds tolls marginally(no more than a couple euros) but of course you need to study in advance where you want to go and be careful to speed radars at every village.

If you are really leaving at 8-9am, Isera is too close to Ortisei to be a choice for lunch. Under the circumstances, I would stop at the Secchia ovest highway rest area, a couple of minutes after the A22 joins the A1 and near Modena nord exit; they have an Eataly branch.

As for tolls, it should be in the 20-25 euro bracket. Have cash ready, there was a time when toll booths refused me two different Italian credit cards and a debit card, so better be safe.

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Coming from Ortisei you will enter the freeway system (on the A22) at BOLZANO NORD entrance.
When you enter pick up the ticket at the automatic dispenser at the toll gate at the entrance ramp.

The ticket will be needed to pay toll when you exit the freeway system, so don’t lose it or you will pay a bundle.

You will exit the toll freeway system in Florence (on the A1 freeway) at the FIRENZE IMPRUNETA exit.

The total toll will be exactly 28.50€.

You can pay with a card or with cash at the automatic machines. Machines give change if you pay cash.

If you prefer to pay a live human you must choose a toll gate with a white sign displaying a black hand holding cash. Be aware that toll gates manned by a live human toll gate attendant accept only cash.

Below is an explanation of the various gates where you can pay toll.
https://www.autostrade.it/en/il-pedaggio/pagamento-al-casello

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I'm posting the photo of the toll gate where you pick up the ticket at BOLZANO NORD entrance
BOLZANO NORD GATE

And the photo of where you pay toll at the FIRENZE IMPRUNETA exit
FIRENZE IMPRUNETA GATE

There are several gates you can choose from. Just remember for a live attendant you choose the one with the white sign with a black hand (CASH ONLY gate), Don't choose the yellow one for the TELEPASS, you won't have a Telepass transponder in your car, so you can't take that one.

After you exit the A1 at FIRENZE IMPRUNETA, after the toll gate follow the green sign to SIENA.
The freeway from there to Siena is toll free, so you don't have to worry about paying tolls.
That freeway has a speed limit of only 90 km/h (55 mph) and there are speed cameras, so watch out.
Use Waze to warn you about upcoming speed cameras. There are tens of thousands all over Italy.

PS: I see that also lachera likes to stop at the same Autogrill with Eataly where I like to stop.

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I would like to reiterate that if you go to Florence, unless you rent from Sixt rent a car, which is outside the station, for other rental agencies, such as Hertz or Avis/Budget, you will likely need to walk a bit on city streets as they are not currently at the station, although not a long walk away.

Of course you don't need to stop at Autogrill or any Area di Servizio if you prefer to exit the freeway, pay toll, find a restaurant in a town, then re-enter the freeway. However if you are planning to eat at a restaurant in the famed capital of good food (Bologna) driving into and out of the city will likely make your regret that choice. But of course it is your choice. I find the Autogrill (or Chef Express or Sarni) locations at the Area di Servizio along the freeway, to be very convenient on a long trip on the freeway.

If you ultimately decide to take a train from Bolzano to Firenze Santa Maria Novella, also you should know that you will need to change trains somewhere (either Verona or Bologna) as the only high speed train that requires no train change leaves at 1:12pm from Bolzano, which I think would be a bit late if you plan to leave Ortisei after breakfast. The journey by train would still be about the same duration as the drive, or maybe a bit less, but once you add the time necessary for returning the car in Bolzano and picking up a new one in Florence and find your way out of Florence to the Firenze Impruneta entrance to the Siena freeway, it would take longer. I'm not even mentioning the possibility of accidentally entering the ZTL in the Florence city center, or accidentally driving in the bus lane on either via Valfonda or via della Scala (both of which are enforced by camera).

Also, another consideration is that if you take a train, your lunch will have to be train food on the Trenitalia Easy Bistro, which is basically airplane food with a fancier name. Of course if you change trains at Bologna, you also could have the choice to get off the train, place your luggage at the Deposito Bagagli at the Bologna Centrale station, then walk to a restaurant in the city center, then come back after lunch to the station, pick up your luggage at the Deposito Bagagli, pay for that service, then take the next train to Florence. For that option you will need to have purchased different train tickets first for the portion Bolzano-Bologna and then for the portion Bologna-Florence because those high speed trains are like airplanes, with specific seat reservation for a specific train, so you can't get off and on any train at will. Therefore make sure the train reservations are such that you have sufficient time to go to the restaurant and come back on time.

In terms of savings, the cost of the high speed train for 2+ people would not be any less than the 28 € of tolls plus maybe another 60€ of fuel, if anything it is likely to be at least just as much for two passengers. In addition two separate shorter car rentals are likely to cost you more than one for a longer period.

I call all of the above unnecessary hassle for less convenience, more money and more time, just for the thrill of traveling by train. But of course it is your choice to follow the advice that your deem more beneficial to your likes and wishes.

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I would add that personally I would drive from Ortisei to Chiusa and join the A22 at Chiusa. I see that also google maps advices for the shorter itinerary through Ponte Gardena, but I am not really sure it is faster.

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I’ve done both ways, since the navigator usually sends you to Ponte Gardena while the road sign sends you to the Autostrade/Autobahn to Chiusa.

Via Chiusa it’s at least 10 km extra but the time is about the same.

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Wow! This has been a very helpful thread in so many ways, and I appreciate the respect shown for different preferences depending on one's strengths and anxieties! You all have saved me a lot of research time and going goggle (or google!)-eyed at so many options!
I am happy with our decision to keep the car (in our case). I too really love train travel and your system is impressive, but with all the variables this time around (and a willing driver on behalf of my husband), I think we'll not regret this decision to drive. We will also apparently be able to satisfy our healthy appetites for Italian food just fine on this road-trip! The tollway clarifications (we will have some cash just in case!) and added pictorials are icing on the cake.

So many reasons to be thankful for this forum and its informative and generous contributors! Now to brush up on some Italian (and resist defaulting to French!)---Grazie mille!!