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Ancient Rome and St. Peter's in 1 day

A group of 4 of us will be in Rome for 4 days, but we have parents coming in on a Saturday afternoon/evening (We won't know the time until much later so are not purchasing tickets for anything on Saturday) and leaving Monday around noon. The 4 of us will be visiting both Vatican city and ancient Rome on our own, but the parents want to see ancient Rome and Vatican City on the day they are here (Sunday). I understand the Vatican museums are closed on Sunday, the parents are going to try those on Monday morning.

I'm looking a for a little advise on how to schedule this day. How much will we have time to do in ancient Rome and still make it to St. Peter's Basilica and do the Dome walk? Or is it better to start with St Peter's since they open earlier and do ancient Rome after? Which sites would we have time to go in and explore (Colosseum, Pantheon, Forum, Capitoline museums, etc.). I was just going to follow the Rome in a day guide here https://www.ricksteves.com/europe/italy/rome-itinerary, but I'm not sure if that included much time for exploring the sites in ancient Rome.

Thank you.

Posted by
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Your parents better have tickets for the Vatican Museum before they get there. They go on sate 60 days ahead at midnight Rome time. Believe me the sell out quickly. The ones I wanted (and did get) were sold out within one hour.

From posts on this forum I believe the need for tickets ahead of time is also true for the Colosseum, Forum and the Pantheon (weekends only for the Pantheon, no reservations for weekdays).

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Yeah we have about 75 days until the trip and I want to buy tickets ASAP (Coliseum tickets are available 30 days in advance for example). I don't want to load up on too much stuff for the first half of that day that we end up missing the 2nd half altogether, hence my question about how much can we actually fit in on one Sunday.

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One approach might be to read (maybe I saw it in a library) Rick's program for Rome In A Day From A Cruise Ship. But can the parents handle that pace? Here's a shorter version:

https://www.ricksteves.com/europe/italy/rome-itinerary

I don't see how to avoid a long security line at the Vatican, even with a ticket. And the Vatican Museums have a slow moving crowd every inch of the way.

Edit: I would go to the library if you don't want to buy the following book. I'm pretty sure it has a one-day tour of Rome in it, although the book does not "prefer" that solution to "seeing Rome."

https://a.co/d/54lhWeJ

less scary link (above link generated by Amazon!):
https://www.amazon.com/Steves-Mediterranean-Cruise-Ports-Travel/dp/1641710950/ref=sr_1_1?crid=EX2BAQEOGI8M&keywords=rick+steves+cruise+ports&qid=1683723889&sprefix=rick+steves+cruise+ports%2Caps%2C90&sr=8-1

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If this trip is soon it will be a very long hot day. Are the parents up for that? I would taxi between the two locations. We used the FreeNow app. You can download the free RS audio tour which helps if you are short on time which you will be.

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I'd try to avoid midday at the outdoor sights. I think St. Peter's opens at 7 AM (not sure whether it's different on Sunday), so it would be theoretically possible for early-risers to go there first and then hit the Colosseum and Forum before it gets too hot. The difficulty is that it's very difficult to get any Colosseum tickets, and it seems the earliest time slots are most popular. The tour operators seem to have a way to grab them.

I suspect there's no need to buy a ticket to the Capitoline Museums in advance. Unfortunately, those museums are quite large, and they're up a long staircase from street level. It takes quite a lot of time just to walk through them, without actually looking at anything. Although the collection is really good, I'd consider the Borghese Gallery instead. Every visitor to the Borghese is limited to 2 hours, so it's not an exhausting place to visit. The downside of the Borghese is that you need to buy a timed entry ticket way ahead of time to be sure of getting in. And the gallery is popular, so it will not be uncrowded. Seeing the upper floor first is a way to enjoy a less crowded visit.

I'm concerned about the plan for your parents to see the Vatican Museums on Monday morning when they need to leave Rome "around noon". Are they heading for a train or to the airport? If the airport, is their destination elsewhere in Europe or in the US/Canada? For outbound transatlantic flights their airline will probably advise them to be at Fiumicino at least 3 hours before departure.

I think the Vatican Museums open to the public at 9 AM. I say "I think" because every single day for which general-entry tickets are available seems to be sold out, so I cannot see the entry-time options. Your parents certainly would not want to risk the we-need-to-buy-a-ticket line on Monday morning.
Alas, even having a ticket (which turns out to be just a reservation for entry) doesn't guarantee immediate entry. You have to line up with other reservation holders, go through security, then line up again at a ticket window to convert your reservation into an actual ticket. (Gotta love Italy.) Once you get inside, the place is likely to be a zoo for at least most of the long route from the entry point to the Sistine Chapel--and back out again. The Museums are huge, and they were massively crowded even pre-pandemic. The situation has gotten worse in that tickets are now selling out way ahead of time.

There is a way to have a more pleasant experience at the Vatican Museums if your parents are willing to spend some extra money. A basic entry ticket costs 24.50 euros per person. For 40 euros you can buy a "Breakfast at the Museums" ticket with an entry time of 7:45 AM or 8:15 AM. In addition to the breakfast, you get into the museum 45 minutes to 75 minutes before the general public. I think that's clearly worth the extra 15.50 euros for anyone with a serious interest in seeing the Museums. (And without a serious interest I'd advise skipping them.) The Breakfast tickets are currently on sale through July 10, so your date will be coming up soon. Those tickets will sell quickly, so if you want them, you'll need to stay on top of the ticket situation and possibly get up in the middle of the night to make the purchase.

Another way to get into the museums early--even earlier than with the Breakfast ticket--is to buy a Prime Experience ticket at 68 euros per person. Those admit you to the Museums at 7:30 AM and include a guided tour. Prime Experience tickets are already on sale for the period you'll be in Rome. If they are what you want, do not delay; they could sell out at any time.

Commercial tour operators sell early-access options somewhat like the Prime Experience deal offered by the Vatican itself, but they are substantially more costly.

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Thank you for the info @acraven. My partner's parents need to take a train back to Venice where they have a cruise lined up, they need to be there around 6pm. I've been trying to get them to pick just ancient Rome but they are dead set on doing as much as possible and since I've never been to Rome, they don't seem too interested in my advice.

I will let them know this information on the museums. I think we're going to start at St Peters on Sunday and then go to the Pantheon, skip the Capitoline museums and maybe skip the Palantine and see the Forum and Coliseum.

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cruises from Venice - actual Venice - are becoming quite rare since most ships were banned. Most cruises actually go from one of several relatively nearby ports. Are your inlaws sure that it is actually Venice that they need to get to?

I guess that they will have cruise type luggage (lots, big and heavy)?

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I would also be concerned about "having a cruise lined up for about 6pm".

That is usually the time a cruise ship departs port, but check in will start at lunchtime and will close 2 or 3 hours before departure. If it is one of the new "Venice" cruise ports there is the extra time getting there. While obviously your parents want to get the most possible done pre-cruise a prudent cruiser would be giving the whole day over to reaching Venice (or whatever other port is substituting for it) and checking in relaxed- you never know what delays could happen whether going by road or rail.

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Matt, I'll chime in with Nigel and isn31c's concerns about the parents trying to do the Vatican Museums the morning of a cruise departure from Venice. Yes, it would help to know if 6:00 PM is the sailing time? And yes, are they SURE their ship departs from Venice and not Ravenna, Trieste or another port that many cruise lines are rather frustratingly labeling as "Venice".

Regardless, if needing to be at the port 3 hours or so before sailing, and allowing for the actual time on a train (or trains) between Rome and that port, there's the additional packing up and checking out of the hotel, stowing the luggage somewhere, returning to retrieve that luggage, getting to the station, finding the right train, additional transport from train station to port.... It would personally be too risky for me but more info might be helpful.

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Wow, your OP did not mention the cruise departure same-day. Have they been on a cruise before? The general wisdom is to be in the city of departure for a tour or a cruise, on the day before the group-product begins. It's reckless to even consider daytime activities in Rome on the day of a cruise departure in another city.

It's not even zero risk if they woke up in Rome and left before lunch towards the cruise port. Even without cruise experience, it is not a one-seat, public transit, ride to the pier building, at a time when the pier building is at its busiest!

This newsboard does not concentrate on cruises, but you need to find out when Embarkation begins, and when the ship sails.

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About the cruise, I don't have all of those details. I agree with everyone here, if it were me, I'd be ready for the cruise much earlier. My partner's parents have been on many cruises and are under the impression they have time to do everything they want to do. I don't think they can, but since I've never been to Rome, they aren't interested in my advice.

I let them know what other folks have said here and it sounds like they'll be skipping out on the Vatican Monday morning and heading back to Venice via the fast train at 11:55am. For Sunday, I think we have enough time for St. Peter's, touring the Pantheon, and going into the Forum and Coliseum. We will skip Capitoline museums and the Palantine.