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An unexpected "safe" question.

Today we were the only passengers in the little bus that shuttles people up/down the hill from the top of Cortona down to the train station. The 30 year oldish driver in his limited English asked us how we liked Cortona, where were we staying, etc. Then he asked where we were going next and we said Rome. He paused for a few minutes and then said "do you feel safe going to Rome?" I thought surely he didn't say "safe" but he did. We told him we were ok with going to Rome and that we were very careful about our surroundings.

What surprised us was then he talked about not feeling comfortable about being in Rome especially after the attack on the French priest. He said people in his area wonder when something will happen on Italian soil. He expressed concern about the pope. He said there was a strong police presence in Rome and I said that was good. I told him we were in Rome 1 month after the World Trade Center attack and we felt reassured about the strong military/police presence in Rome. We hope we were able to be sympathetic to how he felt but let him know that we weren't afraid. I'd never had this conversation with someone from Italy before, someone who said that they were afraid. We have had several conversations with friends in Paris about this feeling but it kind of threw me for awhile that out of his limited ability to converse with us, this was what he wanted to tell us.

It made the world seem so much smaller and more connected.

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Without knowing anything about the man, my guess is that he is simply reflecting a fear of random violence perpetrated on Catholics. I presume he is a Catholic himself (most Italians are), and what happened in the French village was a shell-shock to many Catholics in France, Italy, and other European countries with substantial Catholic populations. Given the Pope's prominence and reverence in the Catholic faith, he is probably very sensitive to and anxious about his safety (remember when Pope John Paul II was shot and then stabbed in 1981 and 1982?).

I think you would have had a completely different conversation with him if it wasn't preceded by letting him know you're going to Rome...that announcement is what prompted his response. Since you were the only ones on the bus, he probably felt more liberated to share his gut feelings. I've seen that happen many times in speaking with locals of different countries.

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I think people in most major cities in Europe are now resigned to "When" as opposed to "If", so if there has not been a recent event somewhere, I think there is a tendency to wonder if they are next. London certainly feels a bit this way, and I am sure the attack on the priest especially worried Rome. That said, we can only attribute it to wild speculation, logically the chances of an event are very low, chances that you will be in the wrong place much slimmer. Be alert, keep ID on you, and forge ahead.

For Rome though, I would be more concerned about the sanitation problem, frequent strikes, lots of trash not picked up, streets not cleaned, that is much more likely to affect your trip.

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His response was exactly what the terrorists are trying to provoke. That's unfortunate.

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His response was exactly what the terrorists are trying to provoke.
That's unfortunate.

So true. I wish it wasn't this way.

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Mona,

I was in Rome (as well as Venice and Florence) last October. I also believe it's only a matter of time before one (or more) of Italy's tourist centers gets hit by a major terrorist attack. I also think it's only a matter of time before the USA, or any other large western tourist center, experiences one. However, the odds of being involved in one are almost as great as being hit by lightning or being attacked by a polar bear.

I would be much more worried about being the victim of petty crime...

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Well, I had to go three days in July to Tunisia for work, and my wife was very concerned: Tunisia is one of those countries positively advised against by many western governments. I replied that the evidence now is that France and Germany may be more dangerous than Tunisia.

As for Italy, it has not some really difficult pockets of extremism like France or Belgium, but there is a definite concern that this being a religious war, main Catholic sites could be targeted; this is why you can see soldiers in front of Italian cathedrals; this is why you have to pass a security inspection before entering St. Peters.

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Mona,

The sentiments expressed by the Shuttle driver may reflect the thoughts that a lot of people in Europe may be having - "when will my country be the victim of a terrorist attack". Given the current situation in the world, thoughts like that are understandable.

The Pope is protected like a head-of-state (which he is), so I'm sure the Swiss guards provide excellent security. If an attack were to take place, it's more likely at a "soft target" such as the Colosseum / airport / rail station where the evil-doers can get the most media coverage.

In the last few weeks, I've been pleased to see that a dialogue is now taking place within the media community regarding the amount of publicity they give the evil doers whenever one of these horrific events takes place. We may find in future that the coverage of a major terrorist event is suppressed to some extent?

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People who live in smaller towns, in Italy as elsewhere, have the tendency to worry about big cities, whether is terrorism, regular crime, or even just driving there. Bad things don't happen too frequently in those rural areas, so they feel somewhat removed from it all.
Terrorist acts are random and, so far, rare, therefore don't worry too much about it. We are probably more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the grocery store, than in a terrorist attack.

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Well we are in Rome and it does have a different feel to it than when we were here 4 years ago. We decided to stay close to the train station for our quick trip and flight to France tomorrow. We got a recommendation on the forum for the Aberdeen Hotel, having never stayed near the train station before.

Things I like about this choice are the hotel and staff. Things I don't like about it are the distance to other attractions down the hill. Also this neighborhood is FULL of major government buildings (DOD is across from the entrance) and financial institutions like the bank of Iran which was being heavily guarded. In the current climate, a first time visitor to Rome would be wondering what they've gotten themselves into. Before (in the 20 years we've been coming here) in Rome there was always a strong Carabinieri presence. Today there is not only that but every government building, monument and "district" like the major shopping district has an army/military vehicle and numerous armed military personnel as well as civil police standing guard. We walked from the government area (where the hotel is) all the way to Piazza Navona and back.

I guess I'm just saying Rome gives the impression that they really have everyone's safety at the forefront of their focus. There were a LOT of tourists out and about.

For a first time visitor I wouldn't recommend this area in its current heightened alert state. I think an area like Trastevere or near the Borghese would be more calming for a first time visitor or people who are nervous about cities.

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For a first time visitor I wouldn't recommend this area in its current
heightened alert state. I think an area like Trastevere or near the
Borghese would be more calming for a first time visitor or people who
are nervous about cities.

Mona, thank you for taking the time to write this. We plan on going to Rome next year, and we plan to stay at the Marriott Grand Flora which (I believe) is near the Borghese Museum (it will be free to us since we have Marriott points). Thank you for confirming my thoughts about where to stay. One less thing for me to figure out LOL.

Have an AWESOME time! Please check back with your travel updates. I love hearing about them.

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I'd be more concerned about being a tourist in France rather than Italy. The terrorist seem to have it in for France

I'm a Floridian. I am more worried about attacks here - especially after the Orlando night club shooting. Italy has some serious "boat people" issues with boats leaving the African North coast and "undocumented" people arriving on Italian coasts. Basically, I think most terrorists are looking for a densely populated event, so that many can be killed quickly.

France has a history of taking on Islamic extremists as in Mali and Ivory Coast African countries. That may be why FRANCE is a more likely target.