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Along The Adriatic, Venice To Bari

Starting to handicap a trip logistically along Italy's eastern coast, and the only constant is that we'll fly out of Bari. Looks like there are sane connections in Zurich and Munich (my fave with Lufthansa) before the long flight back across the pond. But before I go into deep research, I'd like to hear my friends' personal reviews of some of these places because there's surprisingly not a ton of information about this trip.

It's no secret I love the trains, even Italian ones that sometimes don't behave like their Swiss or German counterparts. But to get to our first stop of either Rimini, Pesaro or Ancona after 2-3 nights in Venice, one has to go through Bologna. First, is Bologna worth a stopover, and then which of the three coastal towns would you pick?

Frankly, I'm leaning towards Rimini in that even though it's a favored beach destination for Italians, we won't be there in the summer and it's a reasonably-placed stop before one of Zoe's favorites, Ascoli Piceno in Le Marche. Anybody else besides her been there?

From there, it's to Bari, but if possible I'd like to make Polignano a Mare my base, unless it's going to be too much of a pain to do this, then it'd be Bari, since everything transport-wise seems to funnel through there anyway. Like to visit Matera and/or Alberobello on a daytrip basis as well, maybe Taranto if there's anything to see there.

Haven't delved into the feasibility of doing all this solely by train or bus, without a car, but I'm sure people do it & have lived to tell the story. No timeframe for this either, but I'm thinking 6-9 days after Venice. Any personal experiences along these lines will be most helpful!

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Cannot help much but I have thought about a trip like this but never booked it ; I came up with a couple of options which do differ from yours that I have debated and continue to debate, will book this trip someday but don't know when. Right now it is in my top 3 for me to pick only 1 for a 2019 trip.
I was planning on driving for the most part which may not be your preferred mode of transportation.

One was to fly into Rome (been there), then go to the Amalfi Coast (been there), then to places we have not been in order of Matera and Polignano a Mare for our 2 places to spend multiple nights and fly out of Bari (side trips along the way not overnights to Alberobello, Pietraparosa as well as other towns I am sure)

Another was to skip Rome but build in a little of Sicily.
Flying into Naples and going straight to Amalfi Coast, before Polignano A Mare, then Matera, then an overnight in Tropea and then Taormina ; flying out of Catania airport not far from Taormina.

I had explored options out of Venice along the Adriatic but always came back to above options since there did not seem to be too much of interest between Urbino area and Bari ; though that is definitely more because it is just not a widely talked about area for foreign tourists so there probably are some real gems there ; the town you mentioned Ascoli Piceno in Le Marche I have never heard of for example.
Mostly though ; we loved the Amalfi Coast and want to return soon ; my plans build that in as a way to see the AC again but then also areas we have never been.

A good book that suprisingly really tells a good amount about culture in Bologna is The Broker by John Grisham (same author as The Firm, Pelican Brief, The Client, etc...) I would definitely recommend reading that.

I have always wanted to stay a night in San Marino which would be along your route and personally I would choose that over Rimini which from what I have read only is packed in the summer and a ghost town when not beach season ; not sure it has much charm at any time of year though again have not been so could totally be off base.
Ravenna, Corinaldo and Urbino are a couple of day trip options for you as you make your way down.

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First, is Bologna worth a stopover

Jay, ya big Foodie. Take a spin through the forums (search "Bologna, food") for a past-year's worth of postings on the subject? It's supposed to be a hot number for the gastronome. :O)

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Yeah, yeah, I know, Kath. Food's going to be good no matter what. Might do an overnight there, stay right by Bologna Centrale, have a nice dinner, then could soldier on to Zoe's Ascoli Piceno the next morning, which is only 4 hours by train, doable. BTW, Ascoli sounds more intriguing the more I delve into it.

I had been thinking of Venice/Ascoli Piceno, then Ascoli/Polignano a Mare--only 2 bases--but both are 6+ hour train rides with 2 connections apiece according to Trenitalia, although cheap-as-heck at 40 and 20 Euro, respectively. But with the less-than-stellar reliability of the Regionales at times makes the chance of being stranded overnight a possibility. Zoe even ran into this in her post. So I might want to break it up.

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Hi Jay. When are you going to travel? The height of summer?

We did a 4-night stay in Pesaro in October. I wanted a base to see (carless) a part of Italy we had not previously. We day tripped to Ravenna and Urbino. On reflection, I wish we had rented a car for a few days. Traveling by bus (to Urbino) and train (to Ravenna) made for longish day trips. Pesaro had rolled up the beaches by early October, which was fine by us, and it was a pleasant enough town. We got to feel the local vibe as tourists were few and far between. We had a 5-star beachfront hotel, very chic and modern, for a fraction of the high season price. My only complaint about Pesaro: the seafood was not done well. Lots of fritti and not the elegant preparations we got in Liguria or Sicily. Ravenna would make a nice base, I think and is certainly worth touring.

We spent 2 nights in Bologna one January. Two nights was, for us, just right. We had a couple of great dinners, walked up to the sanctuary (a famous porticoed walkway that is quite strenuous) and otherwise enjoyed the architecture.

We spent a couple of nights in Polignano al Mare and there the seafood (and wine) were magnificent! We loved Puglia and I am sorry we have not been back. Some day.... We drove the heel of the boot, a very good reason to have a car.

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Hi Jay. When are you going to travel? The height of summer?

Yeah, right...only if I lost my mind, Laurel. Even a not-popular route like mine would be more crowded than I'd like in summer. Either March/April or maybe October, I'm thinking.

Thanks for the insight on Pesaro, the positives on Polignano a Mare. But you're right, the not-so-traveled paths come with onerous bus or even train rides. Have never driven in Italy, and I'm a good driver (like Rain Man), so what do I have trepidations about? The ZTL's? The maniacal Italian drivers?

Sure would be nice to be on our own 'shed-ule', as they say. Maybe pick up a car in Bologna?

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I do not fear driving in Italy, if the place demands it. Even driving OUT of Rome did not bother me. When we would get a car, I would drive and my husband would navigate with the GPS. So while we relied on the GPS, he was the back up, reading the map ahead, watching road signs, etc. Kept us out of trouble.

Spring or October: both are grand although we favor the fall. We had very pleasant temps the first few days of October in Pesaro and a few eastern Europeans took to the sand and dipped their toes in the water. Polignano will be warm, I expect.

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We had a wonderful visit to the Adriatic coast by train a few years ago. This trip started Oct. 1 in Lake Como, so our train left from Milan. From Venice, it will be much shorter. We had visited Bologna before, so we didn't stop there. But frankly, there's so much to see along the Adriatic that I'd skip it on this trip.

Our first stop was Senigallia, a little south of Rimini. Because it was the end of season, we got a killer deal on a hotel, Hotel Palace, right on the sea. It was more of a business hotel, but we loved having an elevator after the 4-story trek to our room at Albergo Milano in Varenna. When we checked out, the front desk clerk presented us with a coffee-table book about Le Marche, in English, saying we were the first Americans to stay there. It was a lovely gift, which we enjoy having now, although not so much while we carried the 5 pound, 12" square book around for the next 3 weeks.

We haven't visited any of the other coastal towns you mentioned, but we loved Senigallia. It's a lively little town, with a wide, sandy beach that stretches for miles, a fort, daily markets and an archeological site. Wonderful restaurants. Two Michelin-starred places, a little pricey for us but people do travel here specifically to dine at them. Lots of small restaurants, although some were closed for the season. Our favorite was La Tartana, along the sea. Good seafood and pasta dishes. After a busy day of sightseeing, it was fun to sit there with our toes in the sand, watching the sea, with a glass of beer or wine and a great assortment of free snacks. A couple of times, we went back to our hotel, showered & changed & returned for dinner. From Senigallia we made day trips by train and bus. Once to Corinaldo, a beautiful little hill town. Another day to Grotte de Frasassi, a huge underground cavern. We did not visit Ascoli Piceno but wish we had -- it sounds lovely.

Our next stop was Trani, staying at Albergo Lucy. This is a lovely little Puglian fishing port, a good place to wander and eat. Another kind gesture -- our hotel owner drove us to Castel del Monte when he saw us looking at bus schedules. On the way back he took us to see a 12th century church and Dolmen La Chianca (a prehistoric burial chamber, with balanced stones like Stonehenge).

Then we took a bus to Bari, and immediately a train to Matera. This is a must-see place. Wanting a bit of pampering, we stayed at Locanda de San Martino, a lovely cave hotel with an underground thermal spa (pool, sauna, steam bath). We took a walking tour of Matera, which is helpful and interesting. Loved walking around the sassi after dark. If you can squeeze it in, a night in Matera would be a great idea.

When leaving, we rented a car at the outskirts of Matera and drove to a masseria (it's like an agriturismo in the rest of Italy). It was called Masseria Montenapoleone. Another great experience. While here we drove to the trulli villages (Alberobello and Locorotondo) and visited Torre Canne and other coastal towns. We spent one day lounging around the pool (it was an especially warm October) and wandering through the orchards.

We did not see Polignano a Mare, although it was nearby. If you want to see Matera and Alberobello from Polignano, consider renting a car for a few days (driving is easy in this part of Italy). Or visit Matera from Bari before going to Polignano.

Our final stop was Lecce. But you already have more than enough to fill your days. And lest you are tempted, this was our least favorite place. Tourist office was closed. NO eating facility opens til 8. About 100 churches ... we burned out. Visited Gallipoli -- gorgeous. Did not see Taranto.

Hope this is helpful!

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Venice to Rimini via Bologna only takes 3 hours, so the decision of whether to stop in Bologna is not necessary to break up a long trip, for instance. Or you could stop at Ferrara with about the same timing, though only a couple of the onward trains run directly from Ferrara to Rimini, Pesaro, and Ancona. I enjoyed Ferrara for an afternoon and would have liked to have more time there.

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I did my training in the service in Ancona. The Marche have a lot to offer, although not necessarily on the Coast proper. There are so many things to see that you may not make it down to Bari.
http://www.turismo.marche.it
http://turismomarche.com/cosa-visitare/

Abruzzo is more known for the majestic mountains and the national parks in the interior, than for the coast.
Puglia is another region with lots to see.
Make it a long vacation, you have a long itinerary ahead.

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Liked Bologna a lot. Huge medieval district. Lots of food-related shops and restaurants. Not many Americans. Fabulous base for day-trips by rail. But it is a highly accessible city, and I'd cut it in a heartbeat to have more/enough time for Puglia, which is a bit time-consuming to get to--the sort of place you might not return to often.

Ravenna, though: Ravenna was near heaven the one day I was there. To find a place with such a beautiful historic center, so many fine mosaic sights, and almost no tourists was very surprising.

I completely disagree with Charlene about Lecce, which I liked very much despite mid-summer heat in 2015. I did take a lot of day trips, returning to the city around dinner time, so perhaps that's why it didn't seem closed up to me. But the Baroque architecture is very handsome, and it was my secret weapon for seeing lots of small places in Puglia without having a car, because the Lecce Tourist Office organized van trips to surrounding towns. One even included Matera, though Matera in particular would benefit from at least one night on site. I used to be able to find the website (in Italian) by Googling, but I'm having no luck today. I hope those trips (which weren't really tours, just transportation to a bunch of small towns in one day) are still being offered.

I've read that Bari is very interesting but haven't made it there yet. As for the other towns, keep in mind that their highly picturesque historic areas are sometimes quite small, so you may be able to visit 3 or even more in one day if you have your own transportation. Over the course of two trips to the area I saw at least Alberobello, Locorotondo, Gallipoli, Otranto, Ostuni, Polignano al Mare, and Tranato. To my mind there wasn't a dud in the bunch. A good guide book will help you select a good mix of destinations so that you don't feel you're seeing the same place over and over again.

If you base in Bari or Lecce I think you can get around fairly well by bus, but it will be difficult getting to more than two towns in one day--but it's basically a "never on Sunday" situation where buses are concerned.

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Regarding the Lecce tourist office van trips that acraven enjoyed so much ... they unfortunately were not available to us in 2012. Perhaps because it was so late in the season (the last week of October); or perhaps they weren't being done in 2012. The tourist office itself was closed, so organizing day trips was frustrating. And Lecce itself became a ghost town every afternoon, so we had to leave.

Anyone going to Lecce without a car, expecting to take advantage of these van trips, would be well-advised to check in advance regarding their availability.

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Absolutely. I may have been lucky in terms of the time of year I visited, and I'm very concerned that I can no longer find the website I remember via Google. Even in less isolated areas (think southern France) I've sometimes found walking tours offered only on weekends in high season. And I've had two one-day bus tours (Spain and Croatia) that were offered just one day a week, requiring me to reconfigure my itinerary at the last minute).

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Wow. This is better than any guide book. Now I can more efficiently direct my research. Thanks to all.

You're right, Roberto, with all to see in The Marche, I might not make it down to Bari!

Not that I'm going to do it, but this is almost the type of trip to leave things a little more flexible than usual. I mean, how many times upthread have I heard 'Wish we'd have had more time there' or 'I'd like to return there' or 'One day was enough'? One of these days, I'd like to have the elasticity (and the cojones!) in my plans to say, OK, we're flying into Venice on the 20th, and we're flying out of Bari on the 30th. And be armed with the latest & greatest mobile techno-crap to book in real time and decide on the spot to stay an extra day or two if the situation warrants. Of course, non-summer would be a prerequisite.

Ah, to dream...

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Jay, I pretty much do that on all my trips. And without a rental car. But it helps to not be picky about lodgings, to be flexible about at least some of your hoped-for destinations, and to have a good bit of time so you don't sweat the occasional delay. Although I'm not a fan of making extra hotel reservations and pushing them right up to the last moment of free-cancellability, one could build in some flexibility by paying careful attention to cancellation rules.

For users of public transportation, this approach works best in countries where you either expect to take a lot of buses (e.g., the Balkans) or don't face a terribly painful price-penalty on late purchase of train tickets (i.e., not Great Britain). I think it's best for trips covering small and medium-sized cities that aren't too far apart. Such trips are heavy on regional trains, which often have no advance-purchase discounts anyway.

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Stay out of the Adriatic Coast in July and August, and you will be fine. Even June is not too crowded except for hot weekends. In July and August, the Romagna Coast (Rimini area) is the most crowded place in Italy and you need to learn Russian and German too. The Rimini airport in Summer has more flights to/from Russia than any Italian Airport.
Lots of entertainment though. The area is called Divertimentificio d’Italia (Italy’s entertainment factory). The discotheques, night clubs, and theme parks will blow you away.
https://rimini.a-turist.com/photos/disco-baia-imperiale.jpg
http://static.info-alberghi.com/img_testi/schiuma-party-aquafan.jpg
https://www.hotelriccione.travel/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/peterpan-discoteca-riccione.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Italien_miniature_-_panoramio_-_Štolfa_%282%29.jpg/1280px-Italien_miniature_-_panoramio_-_Štolfa_%282%29.jpg

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The Rimini airport in Summer has more flights to/from Russia than any
Italian Airport. Lots of entertainment though. The area is called
Divertimentificio d’Italia (Italy’s entertainment factory). The
discotheques, night clubs, and theme parks will blow you away.

Roberto, being in the category of 'men of a certain age', I don't think we'd be partaking in all the nightlife/theme parks at Rimini, but I am fascinated at specific places in Italy where other Europeans and Asians from specific countries go on holiday.

On our first trip to Italy 8 years ago, we spent time in Taormina, Sicily. Found out that our hotel overlooking the Ionian Sea was a Nazi outpost in WWII before the Allies drove them out in 1943. Wonderful place--FYI we found this info out after the fact--but in walking the town and hearing snippets of German in passing conversations, I got the picture. Virtually every restaurant menu was in Italian, English...and German. Our cooking class featured a dish of sweet-and-sour tuna, with pasta that could have passed for spaetzle, and cabbage-like greens. I was looking for the big steins of lager!

BTW, Gerri--why do you think I've earmarked Polignano a Mare? That restaurant looks like one of the coolest places on Earth...

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If you travel Le Marche in March/April or October, you may as well stay inland because the coastline is pretty much shut down in those months, not all closed up of course, but I'd say much of the coastline is closed.

We thought it was grand to have the beach to ourselves in October. Warm days, empty beaches. What's not to love?

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Totally agree with Laurel. What was so appealing to us was the feeling of having the place to ourselves. We’d start our days with a long stroll along the sea on the empty beach, and finish with a glass of wine in hand and toes in the sand... with just a waiter to break the solitude. We could have happily spent another week in Senigallia that October.

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i know you like to travel in March, but you must try late September and October. While not as deserted, tourist wise, the weather is perfect.

With the itinerary you're looking at, a car would give you the sense of spontaneity your looking for. You're much younger than I, so go for it!
If you've driven the 94, 294, 88, 55, 355 Italy is a pice of cake.