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Advice for the New Traveler to Italy--Just returned

First, let me thank all the wonderful posters who helped us navigate our trip to Italy over the last three weeks. It was a trip of a lifetime, and your help in planning and execution of our itinerary was invaluable. As a way of paying it forward, I wanted the "newbie traveler" to have some of our thoughts as we returned home.

1) Trains are easy. We promise. We never needed an advance ticket, we bought some at kiosks, and some on the Internet. Regional trains are cheap, reliable and easy to use. High speed trains are slightly nicer and have reserved seating, and also seem to have a lot of A/C--but are more expensive. In 3 weeks, we used only 3 high speed trains, the rest were regionals.

2) Italians are wonderfully patient people, most spoke English to some extent, or were willing to find someone to help us. They spoke much more English than we did Italian. We quickly learned some phrases to get us through the trip, including the phrase to ask for your check in a restaurant, because if you don't ask for it, they aren't going to bring it!
3) Yes, you really can drive through Tuscany and the Hill Country quite easily. We spent a week doing it. GPS worked well virtually everywhere. We had 1 ATT plan and one Verizon plan on separate phones--both worked well, but the Verizon version of Google Maps was flawless.
4) Rick Steve's guidelines on food costs were right on target. We ate a very small breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, a snack in the afternoon, and dinner. We often picnicked, and had great fresh fruit and vegetables in all locations. We found many of Rick's suggestions on low cost sandwich places to be fabulous, and close to major attractions. We became very aware that all you had to do was walk 1-2 blocks over from a major attraction and the food would be excellent and inexpensive--unlike the food on the same road as the big "thing" you went to see. This was consistently true throughout all of the big cities we visited.
5) Our best memories of this trip are "off the beaten path" experiences. We were pleased to see the big sights (although Pisa in 100 degrees with a zillion people was not that memorable...) Don't schedule yourselves so tightly that you cannot enjoy those little experiences.

6) Tours of major sights. We planned and executed our trip ourselves. However, we booked two tours--one in Rome to see the Vatican with early access (expensive and 100% worth it) The tour guide was excellent. The second we booked in Milan to see the Last Supper (tickets were hard to come by otherwise) and the tour guide was mediocre. (We did get to see the Last Supper, and it was incredible.) We should have done the same in Florence for the Duomo and Baptistry--I think we would have gotten more out of the visit there.

Best of luck planning your trip, and do not hesitate to ask the pros on this website for their advice. They are accurate, quick and efficient with their advice. They may not always agree with one another, but their varying perspectives are valuable to planning.

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Thanks for the report! Always good to hear from a satisfied customer!

We increasingly use guided tours for big sites and special places. It really enhances our enjoyment to splurge now-and-then. Take the bus not a cab and spent the savings on good guides!

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Thanks for paying it forward. Agree with all that you said especially the part about the off the beaten path experiences. Loved my two trips to Italy enjoying memorable moments: a Christmas Eve in a pub (yes, a pub) in Florence where I was the only customer so the two bar staff and I watched its A Wonderful Life dubbed in Italian together, or the discovery of a ten table restaurant along a canal in Venice where absolutely NO English was spoken but where an Italian family gestered for me to join them and share in their meal, or the quiet solitude of the Cemetary above Pizzale Michelangelo, or the shop keeper in Rome who, for a week, always selected the best pears for me every morning when I stopped by. Our relationship built on smiles and appreciation. Travel experiences that will last a lifetime. So pleased to know you had a great trip!!!

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Thanks you so much for writing your experiences. I am a newbie Italy traveler in less than 3 months (!) and enjoyed reading your post very much. One of the things I'm stressing about is finding my train easily and it helps to know it's not such a big deal.

Glad you had a marvelous time. I've tried to not overschedule us, so hopefully we will have those unexpected moments also (and will make sure we walk one or two blocks away from the big sites to eat!)

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Lulu, once you find your first train it will be easy!

callenconsulting, thanks for the post!

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Thanks for sharing your experiences. My husband & I will be traveling to Italy & Switzerland for 3 weeks in September and these forums have been invaluable.

Now that you are no longer a newbie, I hope to hear more about your trip!

Thanks again to all that spend time advising us "newbies"

Diane

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Can't overstate #5. Get away from the tourist drags, have a cappuccino in a cafe, sip wine or the like, and people watch...those were some of our best memories.

Also #4. Rick recommends a great sandwich place in Florence - I Fratellini. $3 sandwiches (delicious) and $3 mini bottles of wine. I could eat there every day of my life...

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Ditto on the many thanks for posting this information. We are traveling in October, doing the trip ourselves and find your information VERY helpful, especially about the early tour at the Vatican. To others who will be going....please take a minute to share your travel advice, both good and bad, for those who are nervous and hoping we are doing it right. Pam

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Callenconsulting,
Thanks for this informative post!

Lulu,
Zoe is correct! Once you figure out how to find your first train, you will be fine.

I remember my fist trip to Italy many years ago, we were at the train station in Florence & I was searching the binario (not electronic at that time) looking for the train that would take us to Roma (Termini) & I couldn't find it... I asked someone else who was also staring up at the binario & he pointed out that the train's final destination was Napoli (Naples) but it would stop in Roma, and so it did...

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Harold, thank you for posting those links! The train travel is the only thing causing me anxiety in our trip planning! ;)

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Thank you so much for the advice callenconsulting! Our first trip is in September and I've been a little nervous about figuring out the trains so that definitely helps calm my nerves! We're currently working on important Italian phrases, good to know they'll be patient with us! :)

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Laura;

I would learn phrases for restaurants and grocery stores, food phrases, and basic manners. Numbers are valuable when paying for things. Other than those things, we got along quite well between our bad Italian, the English the locals knew, and some good charades.

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This was wonderful information. I know it takes time to post all this after you know longer need it. Thank you for thinking of those of us still waiting our turn for adventure. We leave July 6 and are soaking up every details shared on this forum. A neighbor tried to tell me some tips about travel, and every thing he mentioned, I thought, "That was on the forum. That was on the forum." The travel education here is priceless (and just plain fun to read.)

I've read several remarks on other threads here about the Vatican tours and guides. Your post helped confirm we need to go early for one, and also to splurge on the guide. Good info.

Yes, thank you Harold, too, for those train links.

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This was wonderful information. I know it takes time to post after you know longer need the forum. Thank you for thinking of those of us still waiting our turn for adventure. We leave July 6 and are soaking up every detail shared on this forum. A neighbor tried to tell me some tips about travel, and every thing he mentioned, I thought, "That was on the forum. That was on the forum." The travel education here is priceless (and just plain fun to read.)

I've read several remarks on other threads here about the Vatican tours and guides. Your post helped confirm we need to go early for one, and also to splurge on the guide. Good info.

Yes, thank you Harold, too, for those train links.

"We quickly learned some phrases to get us through the trip, including the phrase to ask for your check in a restaurant, because if you don't ask for it, they aren't going to bring it!" This part gave me a good laugh! Another woman on this forum sent me a details list of restaurant helps. She stressed this. So different than here where they want to turn over tables as fast as possible. I wonder what those travelers think who don't have a prior expectancy of relaxed Italian dining? I can't wait to experience it all!

Sheila

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I agree on the comments about how easy (and nice!) the trains are in Italy. One bit of advice ( that I believe I picked up from one of Ricks travel books) take a notepad and when you are looking at train schedule to GO somewhere...also look at times of trains BACK! Was almost been stranded in Volterra before I started doing this since it was not easy to get there using trains & bus (two trains/one bus).

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RE: Train travel and videos.

Google is your friend and so is youtube. There are so many helpful short videos on youtube related to train travel, getting in and out of FCO that people should not discount it as a great resource. Google your questions.

Some of the info is dated, so always check the dates of the posting.

Seriously, people getting in a panic about validating tickets, just google it.

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Callenconsulting- what company / website did you book your Vatican tour through?

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We did the Pristine Sistine tour from Walks of Italy. I liked only having 12 people on the tour. I priced the private tour from the same company with just the five of us, it approached $2700 for the 3 hours. I decided we could have a few people with us for the drastic difference in price. If you use the company, when you get to the meeting area, there will be five or six groups going out at the same time with different guides. Ask if you can have Camilla if she's working. She was awesome.

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Another thought or two (and I promise I don't get paid by Rick Steves in any manner):

1) Buy Rick's book and take it with you either in parts or as a whole. We had a hard copy, and we had it on Nook. We used both at different times.

2) Use the Rick's book that you bought. We had a tough time getting a taxi from the Colosseum to the Spanish Steps in Rome. We looked up in his book where the taxi stand was at the Colosseum--it saved us!
3) Ricks recommendations on little sandwich shops and modest restaurants never failed us. We ate only two "nicer" meals--one in Varenna, and one in Florence. In the big cities, we mostly relied on Rick recommendations of modest priced, good value restaurants for lunch. For dinners we ventured out, but paid attention to restaurants that had local crowds rather than tourists. We also asked for recommendations from locals. We budgeted for food/wine for our 17 day trip, but came home spending less than anticipated.

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Thanks so much for your post! We're leaving for Italy in a week, and the two main things I've stressed about the most are the trains and the language!! We're so excited, and seeing your post helps a lot! Thank you, thank you!!

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Re: Vatican tours--I did the general-public tour with our RS group. The crowds were horrendous, and our guide assured us they were less than usual that day. I had also reserved a small-group night tour with Dark Rome/City Wonders (about $75), and while the guide wasn't as good as our RS guide, it was a relief to have more space. "More space" is relative, though--these off-hours tours are becoming so popular that I would characterize the crowds as "normal museum-level."

The Sistine Chapel is worth any price or inconvenience, though, as least in my opinion!

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A wonderful post - thanks for sharing your experience and thanks to everyone who helped your planning! Glad you had a fantastic time.

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I am no longer a newbie to Italy. My husband and I spent 10 wonderful days there this May. He learned Italian for "check, please." I used "Dov 'e"-----Where is. I couldn't tell you how many times I'd ask a perfect stranger where something was. As far as train travel, we always bought the tickets from the agent and not from a kiosk in case we needed questions answered--like the platform number! Big train stations like Termini in Rome and Napoli in Naples have over 20 platforms! Before we left, I copied a map of the stations we would use just to give us some idea where everything was. It was a good idea as we are older and can get turned around easily. One thing I would like to share is that sometimes the train you want to take may not appear on the big board. Don't panic! Wait a bit longer and it will come up. As the departure time arrives, or as it pulls into the station for passengers arriving to disembark, it will be put up on the board. We got nervous at one point as we stood and couldn't find the train we needed. It eventually got posted.

You will love Italy! Our favorite was the Amalfi Coast. Two months ago we were in Ravello on a picture perfect day drinking wine in an outside cafe. Ahhhhh, Italy!