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6 weeks in the fall with a 1 year old and 3 year old

Hello! My husband and I are planning 6 weeks in Italy from September 13 to October 25. Our kids will be 11 months old and 3 years old. I'm nervous about driving in Italy, but a rental car would make it so much easier since we'll have a ton of baby gear. This is our tentative itinerary. I'd appreciate any feedback! In particular- will it be too cold and rainy to enjoy Venice and Lake Garda in mid-late September? Will we be able to swim at Cinque Terre and in Tuscany in October? I know Southern Italy would be better for swimming, but we don't feel we can do south, central, and north in 6 weeks with 2 little kids. What do you recommend for our transportation plan?

Venice- 6 days
Lake Garda- 5 days
Cinque Terre- 5 days
Bologna- 3 days
Florence- 5 days
Tuscany, maybe Val d'Orcia at a place with a pool- 7 days
Tuscany, maybe Capalbio- 4 days
Rome- 7 days

We'll likely book a flight from Washington, DC to Venice with a 3 hour layover in Munich. The flight leaves DC at 10pm, arrives in Munich at noon (will feel like 7am to us), and arrives in Venice at 4pm (will feel like 11am to us). Our older child is a night owl and can easily stay awake until boarding. Our younger child is currently only 5 months old so it's hard to predict how he'll tolerate being kept awake so late. There's a risk he'll be terribly overtired and will fuss for hours on the flight. But I'm thinking that if he can sleep for most of the flight, we'll all feel good when we land because my husband and I will be able to sleep almost 8 hours. In comparison, if we take a flight that departs at 6pm, my husband and I will be lucky if we sleep even half of the 8 hour flight (we are night owls and there's no way we're falling asleep before 10pm). What do you think? Am I missing anything?

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Well, I think you are really optimistic that you will sleep 8 hours on any flight. That said, I personally prefer late flights like you are considering because I do sleep more on them.

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Venice, CT, Florence & Rome are places where a car is a liability, not an asset.

Has the 3yr old flown? Did he nod off?

The flight to Munich is 8 hours long. Counting on more than 5 hours sleep is likely unwarranted optimism. And that assumes the kids are 'out'.

By mid October will the lodging still be heating the pool?

Have you traveled extensively with the 3yr old, before the 2nd child came along so that you are experienced with what you are planning?

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Our tentative plan for the car is to pick it up as we leave Venice, park it outside of the cities (avoiding ZTLs), and drop off before we enter Rome. But please let me know if we’d be better off just renting the car for Tuscany and taking trains for the rest of the trip. It’s going to be a ton of gear, and I’m dreading getting through all the train stations. It would be me carrying the 1 year old and pushing the 3 year old in a stroller, and wearing a backpack- uncomfortably because the straps have to go over the baby carrier straps. My husband will be carrying 2 car seats, a big suitcase, and a backpack, with the travel crib in a bag slung over his shoulder.

Our older child did not sleep well when she flew 4 hours last summer, but she was in a car seat that couldn’t recline and it was daytime. This time, she won’t be in a car seat for the flight. My husband and I slept 8 hours on several long haul flights pre-kids, so if our kids can sleep, we should be rested too. We have a row of 4 seats. Currently at 5 months our baby is very easy, sleeping 13 hours at night! But it’s 8pm to 9am, and our flight will depart at 10pm. I’m really hoping he’ll sleep in a baby carrier at the airport and won’t be cranky when I transfer him to his car seat on the plane.

I haven’t booked any accommodations yet. I was hoping to find out if it’s worth getting a place with a pool in Tuscany in October- but thank for the tip about getting a heated pool. I assume the water at Capalbio will be too cold to swim, so maybe we’ll cut that from the itinerary. Has anyone been there in October? I also assume places there will be closing for the season around then.

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Having been to the CT back in November, I'm wondering what you plan to do there for five days - with two young children. Monterosso is the only town with an actual beach, but typical of Italy, most of it is private - you have to rent space for the day. You would have to inquire to see how late the season goes.

I wonder whether Santa Margherita Ligure or one of the other towns to the north might have more to offer.

The day we arrived - 11/4 - there was a torrential rainstorm and the seas were so violent for the next two days that boats couldn't get into the water.

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I was thinking we'd stay in Monterosso but perhaps you're right that 5 days there would be dull, especially if it's too cold to get into the water. Where should we reallocate those days?