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2 week itinerary Tuscany, Emilia-Romagna, Venice

I know itinerary questions proliferate, but this is my husband's and my first trip to Italy (have only been to Europe twice - both times France) and we would appreciate input based upon our personal preferences and the related experiences of others. We are planning a trip next May (2019) and will have between 14-16 days for actual sightseeing (not including flight time from the U.S.). We want to balance seeing things we've always wanted to see with not cramming in too much. We are willing to cram some (after all, it IS our first trip to Italy, and if we wanted total peace and quiet, we could stay at a cabin in rural Pennsylvania 2 hours from home), but we don't want to be in a hysterical frenzy the entire time. We are in our 50's and in decent physical shape. We are open to trains and driving, depending on where we will be. We like art, food and wine, gentle bike rides, opera (doesn't need to be absolutely world class), prefer lodgings in countryside where possible but will obviously do city lodgings in some places.

With that balance in mind, there are things we won't attempt this trip, so no one need comment on them. I have nothing against those places, but they'll be for another trip. Nothing south of southern Tuscany NOR anything in the far north such as the provinces along the northern and northwest borders, the lake district, Milan (other than flying into/leaving by train or flying out of/arriving by train) NOR the Cinque Terre.

These are MUST SEE things:

Florence art by guided tour and free time, and not just a "day trip"; want to arrive by train.
Tuscan countryside especially Val d'Orcia; vineyard(s), hilltown(s), want to have a car but could use train for part of it.

These are WILL DO AS MANY AS ARE REASONABLE in order of importance
- Venice with guided tour and free time (with possibly a day trip to Padua or Venezia); do not want this to be the first leg of our journey
- Emilia-Romagna food tours and a cooking class; will do train and/or car
- Lucca (cycling along wall promenade, opera at San Giovanni at night, possible day trip to small coastal town within 1 hour of Lucca - as I said, not Cinque Terre this time) probably need a car for this

As I said above, while we will need to lodge in "the city" in Florence and Venice, we prefer the countryside in Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna rather than "basing" in a city. Lucca can go either way.

Thank you kindly for any comments about the possible order or this trip and/or what is reasonable/unreasonable.

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This all looks very reasonable and is a very good introduction to Italy. The one comment that jumps out at me is “Venice with guided tour” which is not necessary in this small pedestrian city. You will choose places you want to see. One thing that was recommended to us that we enjoyed in Venice was getting a Chorus Pass to a group of churches in Venice. It forces you to explore new neighborhoods and see some amazing art which was created for the spaces where it hangs. A day trip to either Padua or Vicenza is ideal.
We spent four wonderful days in Lucca and never left. Biking on the walls is a fun experience. We never took our car out of the parking lot while there and when leaving and arriving didn’t find much of interest in the surrounding area except for Carrara, tne famous marble quarry used by Michelangelo and others. If you want to drive a little north of Lucca, Portovenere is a pretty and historic town on the sea, south of the Cinque Terre.

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Suki is right about not needing a guide in Venice. The city and area immediately around it is small. With a good guide book you can easily do it on your own. The Rick Steves book has a world of information and several self guided walks. Even day trips from there to Verona and Vicenza are easy to do by yourselves. With regard to "...do not want this to be the first leg of our journey", let me say this. Venice is a wonderful place to start a trip. The pace of things and lack of vehicles makes it a great spot to recover from jet lag and the lack of sleep on an overnight flight. Be aware that flying from Venice back to the U.S. can be a problem as many of those flights tend to leave early in the a.m. and getting to the airport may be difficult.

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Well, this is going to be fun for you two. May is a great month to travel in Italy. Poppies are in bloom, the fields are green, and the weather is good. Wished I was going with you.

Guided tours are a great way to see the high points in a limited amount of time and avoid hassles. So, your Florence plan is good but as mentioned, I would not do Venice that way. You can do Venice on your own and it will likely be more fun that way. If possible fly out of Venice instead of Milan, that will make your logistics more efficient since it will be your last stop. I recommend a water taxi to the airport from you hotel, costly a bit but worth it in my opinion.

Ok, into Milan, then to Bologna (or Parma) to eat, then to Tuscany to drink, then to Venice to relax, then Milan or the Venice Airport (recommended). Stay in Parma, then you can day trip by train to Bologna (foodie heaven). Then and easy trip down to Lucca. Now a choice, Tuscany countryside or Florence, either works. Montepulciano, Pienza, Siena, San Gimignano are the popular spots, get a car, and rent an agritourismo (outside of town on a farm that produces wine) and drive all over the place.

If you have a car drive to Portovenere, a really cute town on the Bay of Poets. Lucca is the best location to do that from.

Then do Florence then Venice (do stay in Venice proper, not on the mainland).

All this is doable by train except Tuscany, get a car and enjoy it. You cold drive to Parma from Milan too, then you have the car for Tuscany.

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This sounds like a trip I would like. I like to stay in any area and enjoy it. I do agree with the other comments about things you might consider.

In addition, while you can certainly day-trip from Venice to Padua and Vicenza (and I do not like changing hotels myself), keep in mind that hotel costs in Venice will likely be quite a lot higher than in the other two cities, and--depending on the location of your Venetian hotel--going back and forth to the train station there may add quite a bit to your travel time. Padua, in particular, has enough sights to see to justify a full day and one or more overnights there. I haven't been to Ferrara, but it is much admired by folks here and is also visitable from Padua. So it might be possible to make Padua a base for seeing that city, Vicenza and Ferrara. Verona would be within reach also, if you have time.

I don't know where you'll end up staying in Emilia-Romagna. Do check driving time to Ravenna and include it if at all possible. It is a beautiful town with gorgeous Byzantine mosaic sites, and it was amazingly non-touristy during my summer 2015 visit.

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I did a 14 day Venice-Florence-Rome trip in '15. My trip reports (4 parts) are here:

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/my-italy-trip-1-of-4
https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/my-italy-trip-2-of-4
https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/my-italy-trip-3-of-4-florence
https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/my-italy-trip-4-of-4-rome

The only thing I would have done differently is spend more time in Rome and less time Venice (my mother had a hard time getting around Venice).

Feel free to PM me if you wish.

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Thank you everyone for your quick replies. All the tips about Venice - air travel times, day trips, cost of hotels, timing of flights - have given me something to think about. TC, I liked the point about Venice being a place to recover from jet lag. That is exactly why we wanted to do it last because it's so special and we didn't want to be too tired to enjoy it, so yours is a good perspective. I appreciate, Suki, the reassurance about my choice of Lucca. It's not one of the main spots for first timers, but sounded appealing to me. Thanks work2travel for the links. I will be sure to check them out. Gordon, you had some great ideas for all sorts of places. All your comments help me to see I'm on a realistic path. Thanks again!!

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You have a good understanding of what you want so I’ll just add a few tidbits.
1) Staying inside Lucca for 2 nights is fun.
2) We stayed outside of Sienna at a farmhouse and going into the town at night is also fun. Makes a good base for driving around in wine country.
3) We stayed in Pienza as a base for the lower wine country and it is very convenient to Montepulciano as well as Montalcino. Since it is a village the rates are very reasonable.
4) Umbria is great. Look up Genius Loci Country Inn. You will not be disappointed.

Driving is a must for seeing the countryside. I would drive out of Rome Termini and see Tuscany and Umbria. Drop the car in Florence.

Emilia Romagna is nice but not for a first trip. 3-4 stops should be your max stays or else you spend too much time moving around and losing time.

Pack a carry on only.

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Question to dch115: We thought Florence was too much to go to for a day trip so we were going to fly into Milan and right away board a train to Florence and then check in and spend a few days there. If you (or anyone else out there) have experience in Florence, I would appreciate your feedback. We really want to do Emilia-Romagna because it is such a food center and food is a huge reason we are going. Plus it’s a bit more off the beaten path. With the Emilia-Romagna we do have 5 stays in about 16 days (not including travel days.) However, if we didn’t need to stay in Florence and could see the art highlights on a day trip, that would give us more nights in one of our other regions. Any thoughts on that. Thank you very much.

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While you could theoretically cover the main museums in Florence on a day trip, there is LOTS of fabulous art in that city, and if you love art, I think you really owe it to yourself to spend at least a couple days there. The churches in particular are so distinctive and have such interesting things in them. Also, you might re-consider city lodging in Emilia-Romagna because train travel between towns there is so easy and convenient, and you will have more restaurant choices. You could stay in one of the smaller cities in the region - perhaps Parma or Ferrara - they are every bit as charming as the hill towns in the Val d'Orcia.

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Bologna is a great food city! Also good as transportation hub. May be more "city" as it is a university town. But we stayed there 2 nights and loved it.

We stayed in Parma last time, and took a food tour which included a Parmegiano cheese factory, a Parma ham factory, a winery and lunch, then a Balsamic vinegar house. All in the country with a driver who picked us up in Parma at our B&B. One of the best things we have ever done!