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2 out of 5 Days Itinerary - Help fixing Travel option

Hello,

I am hoping to get some experts opinion on my travel days/night stays in Italy for 2 of my 5 days Itinerary .

Between Day-01 1 PM to Day-03 Night 9 PM (i.e 56 hours to be precise), i would defintly want to visit Venice, Florence & Pisa.
I know it's tightly packed but i really have no other option but to skip 1 of them (which i really don't want to).

Here are my 3 different plans, please suggest or modify this plan or propose a new plan if needed:

Option 01:

Day 01:
> Arrive Tirano via Bernina Express at 12:45 PM.
> Lunch/Relax time - 1 PM to 3PM
> 3 PM Train to Venice to reach by 9 PM.
> Venice Night stay.
Day 02:
> Explore Venice.
> Venice Night Stay.
Day 03:
> Leave Venice 8 AM Train to Florence to reach at 10 AM.
> Store Luggage in Florence train station.
> Take Train to Pisa (Train: 10:53 AM to 12 PM)
> Visit Leaning Tower.
> Leave Pisa to reach back to Florence (Via 1:30 PM to 2:30 PM Train)
> Explore Florence
> Leave Florence to Rome (Via 7:33 PM to 9 PM Train)
Day 03: Reach Rome Late Night (around 9 PM) to stay for next 3 nights.
Day 04, 05: Explore Rome
Day 06: Leave Rome for my next destination.

Option 02:

Day 01:
> Arrive Tirano via Bernina Express at 12:45 PM.
> Lunch/Relax time - 1 PM to 3PM
> 3 PM Train to Venice to reach by 9 PM.
> Venice Night stay.
Day 02:
> Checkout Venice hotel.
> Request Hotel to store my luggage.
> Explore Venice
> Pickup Luggage & Leave Venice to reach Florence by train (6 PM to 8 PM)
> Florence Night stay.
Day 03:
> Checkout Florence hotel.
> Store Luggage in Florence train station.
> Take Train to Pisa (Train: 8:30 AM to 9:30 AM)
> Visit Leaning Tower.
> Leave Pisa to reach back to Florence (Train: 11:10 AM to 12 PM)
> Explore Florence
> Leave Florence to Rome (Via 7:33 PM to 9 PM Train)
Day 03: Reach Rome Late Night (around 9 PM) to stay for next 3 nights.
Day 04, 05: Explore Rome
Day 06: Leave Rome for my next destination.

Option 03:

Day 01:
> Arrive Tirano via Bernina Express at 12:45 PM.
> Lunch/Relax time - 1 PM to 3PM
> 3 PM Train to Milan to reach by 5:40 PM.
> Milan any 1 tourist spot + Night stay.
Day 02:
> Leave Milan to Venice (via 8:30 AM to 11 AM Train)
> store luggage at Venice Station.
> Explore Venice
> Pickup Luggage & Leave Venice to reach Florence (Via 6 PM to 8 PM Train)
> Florence Night stay.
Day 03:
> Checkout Florence hotel.
> Store Luggage in Florence train station.
> Take Train to Pisa (Train: 8:30 AM to 9:30 AM)
> Visit Leaning Tower.
> Leave Pisa to reach back to Florence (Via 11:10 AM to 12 PM Train)
> Explore Florence
> Leave Florence to Rome (Via 7:33 PM to 9 PM Train)
Day 03: Reach Rome Late Night (around 9 PM) to stay for next 3 nights.
Day 04, 05: Explore Rome
Day 06: Leave Rome for my next destination.

If somebody can help re-shuffle- Day 01, 02, 03 plan yet keeping the same places it would be great help !

NOTE:- The Bernina express plans are booked.
Rome Hotel is booked and hence cannot change just these two things.

Posted by
16895 posts

Tirano has absolutely nothing special. Bring enough food with you for lunch and get right on the 13:08 train to arrive in Venice at 18:40, in time for dinner. Venice is not such a late-night city as further south in Italy.

Milan is also not important on this trip. You have no room for it in your already-overpacked priorities.

Pisa looks exactly like the photos. Inside the Baptistry and church are beautiful, but free church tickets can sell out, tower climb reservations can sell out, etc. There's no way that I would try to "see" both Pisa and Florence in one day, and include additional train travel, too. If Pisa is more important to you than Florence, it also has bag storage at Pisa Centrale station and has direct trains to Rome.

Posted by
438 posts

I'm going to assume that you know the schedule is insane. That's a lot to pack in! If you think you might get to Italy again some day, I would suggest that you rethink this. It seems you aren't really "visiting" the Leaning Tower as much as arriving in Pisa, running over to the tower to verify that it's still leaning, and then getting back to the train. And you don't have time to "explore" Florence as much as rush around, see a few things from the outside, maybe squeeze in a quick trip to the Accademia (depending on time of year) to get a quick look at David, and then head back to the train. I found that getting from place to place takes longer than you expect, you'll be walking and probably getting a little lost, and you need to allow time to eat. Even if you just want a quick bite, you still need to be able to find a place.

I would just pick either Venice or Florence to add to your trip, but would definitely rethink Pisa. That seems like a lot of time to see something that may not be worth the time given your tight schedule.

Posted by
339 posts

That is sooo ambitious!! I know you want all 3 cities but consider dumping Pisa at least. You will literally have to run from Pisa station to the Tower and run back to Pisa station to see the Tower for just a few minutes. I think option 2 is the only one that utilizes your time well enough to get a tiny taste of 2 of Europe's greatest cities (if you dump Pisa). At least you get 8 to 10 hours of exploring each day. I'd even say just do Venice because of the train logistics.. But you sound very motivated and intent on doing all 3!!! So best of luck and have fun!!!!

Posted by
27 posts

I appreciate all responses & comments.

I should have mentioned, when i say explore i didn't mean to go each tourist spot.

We just wanted to feel what Venice, Florence would be like. Hence just see a couple of tourist places , sit at a cafe and enjoy cappuccino over there :)

I really like the advice to ignore option 3 because it involves Milan.
I also would consider to take a direct train from Pisa to Rome.
And might directly leave Tirano to Venice via 13:08 train as suggested above.

Looks like i am falling towards Option 2, but i would let other opinions / comments come in.

Posted by
27 posts

It's good to see all comment. Thank you.
I just wanted you all to know, we are fast paced travelers. You can imagine if i have to say we completed ALMOST ALL of main NYC attractions in 1 day.
Anyways, Listening to all this, i think i am boiling it down to Option 2 with few tweaks.

Day 01:

Arrive Tirano via Bernina Express at 12:45 PM.
Carry Lunch From Chur / Not enought time to buy Lunch from Tirano.
Leave to Venice (via 1:08 PM to 7 PM Train)
Venice Night stay & relax evening with a nice dinner.

Day 02:

Checkout Venice hotel.
Request Hotel to store my luggage.(or) Store it at Train station.
Venice tourist spots.
Pickup Luggage & Leave Venice to reach Florence by train (6 PM to 8 PM)
Florence Night stay.

Day 03:

Checkout Florence hotel.
Store Luggage in Florence train station.(Or request Hotel to store)
Florence Tourist spots (From 8 AM to 2 PM)
Take Train to Pisa (Train: 3 PM to 3:49 PM)
Store Luggage at Pisa station.
Visit Leaning Tower.
Leave Pisa to Rome (Via 7:07 PM to 10 PM Train)

Day 03: Reach Rome Late Night (around 9 PM) to stay for next 3 nights.

Day 04, 05: Explore Rome

Day 06: Leave Rome for my next destination.

I really can skip Florence but not Venice and Pisa tower.
But since to go to Rome, we will have to pass via Florence then why not spend few hours there ?

Posted by
3302 posts

The problem with any of your itineraries is that all you will do is “SEE” these sights. The wonder of Italy is to visit and savor them. Drop 1 location? No. Drop Florence and Pisa and enjoy Venice and Rome. You barely have time for them. You’ll be doing yourself a great disservice if you don’t slow down and smell the roses.

You can imagine if i have to say we completed ALMOST ALL of main NYC attractions in 1 day.

I’m a native New Yorker. As far as completing the attractions, did you visit them? It sounds like you had a check list, went to an address and ticked off a box. Did you see the interior of the UN building, go to the top of the Empire State Building, visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Museum of Modern Art, Guggenheim, Rockefeller center, the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island, Lincoln Center? If you did, did you actually go inside?

Posted by
27 posts

@Philip - we are not museum persons.

Here is what we did in NYC.

  • > Hop-on Hop off bus -> Visited Statue of Liberty -> One world observatory tower -> world trade center location -> Macys - shopping -> Time square -> Olive Garden - Peaceful dinner -> Even took a metro ride -> Stopped at dunkin for a coffee break -> Empire state building -> A couple more places which i couln't think of my head .. it was 2017 Memorial day. And let me make more interesting, we spent a day at Niagara and drove from there the previous day !

And yes, needless to mention, we visited each place. Spend a decent amount of time.
In addition, the whether on that day was bad + a little rain all day.

And thank you for suggesting Venice & Rome. I would wait for few more suggestions from other travellers and make a final go !

Posted by
11673 posts

Another vote to skip Pisa. It is not worth all the travel. And you aren't even planning to climb the Tower?

Posted by
16698 posts

Drop Florence and Pisa and enjoy Venice and Rome. You barely have time
for them.

And that's all I'll kindly say about that as well. A hit-and-run travel style simply isn't what most of us practice nor what we'd encourage for the first-time visitor.

We just wanted to feel what Venice, Florence would be like. Hence just
see a couple of tourist places , sit at a cafe and enjoy cappuccino
over there :)

Very sorry but you won't get a "feel" for what these cities are really "like" in just a few hours. What "tourist" places?

One other complication I picked up from one of your previous posts?

We are a couple with 22 months old infant traveling.

The fact that you're traveling with an infant/toddler just makes your itinerary that much more illogical.

You can imagine if i have to say we completed ALMOST ALL of main NYC
attractions in 1 day.

And not unkindly again but no, you didn't see even close to all the "main" attractions. You saw what YOU wanted to see and that's fine - after all, it was your trip and you enjoyed it! - but missed many, many "main" parts of New York, IMHO.

Posted by
12036 posts

Having perused at least some of OP's other posts, it is clear his style of travel is what many might be described by many as 'hit n run'.

He has steadfastly clung to his plan to see 6 places when just about everyone else would do 2 or 3

Its time to stop trying to convert him.

A cup of coffee and 3 photos is all a place needs in order for OP to consider to have 'visited' a place.

To answer his question, option 2 is what I would choose among the 3 he presents.

Posted by
27 posts

Thank you, Joe32F.

That's all i needed to know.

Our style is definitely not hit and run, take pics and sleepover.

I would love to show our travel website which my wife maintains. Not sure if it's against the guidelines to showcase our website on this platform. We find our own peace, perspective of the places we visit.

It is just that it's new place, i wanted to know how to travel to / what and what not to do.
Living the place, moment i think would depend on an individual.

There is a difference between travellers and tourist. And we wear both the hats depending on the situation, weather, health, time and place.

Posted by
1274 posts

For your style of travel, your latest itinerary in your 5:34 post looks good. Enjoy your trip!

Posted by
16698 posts

Joe is right that hope of conversion is probably futile at this point :O)

Voting with Bob for the itinerary in 5:34 post, although I wouldn't attempt it myself. Amrit, if I sounded a little harsh in my previous post, it was out of concern. Very tight itineraries involving lots of moving around are risky for any number of reasons. Add the possibility of a tiny child having a bad day and, well, thus the concern?

Things don't always go like clockwork, and just getting acclimated to the layout and workings of a new city can take some time! But I do hope that all goes well for you.

Posted by
27 posts

Thank you, Kathy.

Yes i do understand. I just wanted to have a blue print. It will ofcourse not go as smooth as clock moves and we know that. With so much travelling (not quite as much as you experts) we know when to slow it down.

Thank you all for concerns, comments and sharing knowledge. With every post i learnt a new thing.

Posted by
616 posts

Hi,
There’s one thing I do not understand in your plans, why do you constantly leave bags and luggage in the station while you are always returning to Florence for the night? I feel your belongings would be safer at the hotel than at the station.

I would skip Pisa so as to give me more time in Florence, maybe also Fiesole and leave Pisa for another time, for instance when visiting Etruscan coast.
I would also prefer Luca to Pisa, if it’s just to see the tower. In Pisa, I like the Pisa Marina, by the sea.
Doing this would give you more time either for Florence or Rome.
Believe me, if you have been in Italy once, you will definitely come back, so why stress?

Posted by
616 posts

Also I believe you do not dedicate enough time to Venice, one more day would be good.
Also where is your next destination after Rome? Is it in Italy or elsewhere?

Posted by
616 posts

Due to transportation time, I would not take à Pisa Roma train (slow) but rather a Venezia Roma or a Florence Roma train.

Posted by
12036 posts

For your style of travel, your latest itinerary in your 5:34 post looks good. Enjoy your trip

Do you mean the 3:34PM post on 7-24-18?

Posted by
27 posts

@francoisedegrelle - My next destination is Barcelona for 2 nights. I am flying from Rome.
Why not take PISA to ROME train ? There is a 5 and 7 PM direct train which is around 3 hours journey.

@Joe32F - Its because of the timezone respective user is in. Est vs PST vs MST vs CST etc . .