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Got auto ticket over 1 year after trip to Puglia. Can I ignore? Not fair.

I just got a ticket from city of LECCE in Puglia--- 1-1/2 years after my trip in 2024. It says it was a video/says we drove through an area where you needed a permit to drive through. (or park ?). But it cannot be. We parked in public lot where the staff of city showed us how to pay & manage parking process. We know we never parked in restricted area. Seems crazy. It says its now (with time penalty) a whole $200 Euros but that its been reduced for us to $107 including admin. fee. I have no intention of paying, and no intention of renting again in Italy . I will never return to Lecce. Am I safe to just ignore it?

On same trip, we got a different parking ticket in a different village in Puglia. We paid the parking ticket the same day we got it (30 euros). Six or 8 months later we got a bill from car rental company saying we owed them $60 Euros just because they had to read the letter they received from that village with this information. (their admin. fee). (the ticket had been paid already...I paid the $60). Original ticket was only $30 euros so ..... felt unfair . Now almost 2 years later---- I get this new ticket from Lecce.

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Whether you try to pay or ignore is up to you. You may be outside some limit of notification, or they may have now engaged a US based debt collection agency. Hard to say.

It likely is legitimate, you drove in a ZTL, most towns have them, likely on your way to park, or on your way out. Most all of the center of Lecce is a ZTL.

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I am sure that it is legal. Surprised that you did get a charge again your credit card company. Whether you pay or not is your decision. I think ---- the worst thing that can happen is that is is turned over to a collection agency. It is my understanding is that they cannot get a judgement against you for a foreign traffic ticket. -- BUT. -- they can record a non-payment claim with the credit reporting agencies. it will not stick but you have to fight it to get it removed and it is a super pain in the butt to deal with the credit agencies.

You really should repost your question in the appropriate section. You might get better and more responses.

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While this can be turned over to a US based collection agency and that means you may receive threatening collection letters and even calls, for a single ticket it is very unlikely to be more than an annoyance-- no real worry of being refused entry to Italy or hurting your credit rating.

While I understand and I sympathize with your feelings that it is unfair to receive a stale and potentially erroneous ticket, personally I'd just pay it-- even though I'd be unhappy about it. If you are certain you are completely in the right, dispute it.

On the positive side, Italy is wonderful!

Happy travels.

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We got a ticket in Puglia as well. It came about 6 months after our trip. The annoying piece is that I checked the dates on my camera and looked at my itinerary and we were not where they said we were at that time and place. I sent an email and all I got was instructions on how to pay. We wanted to pay it. It wasn't worth the stress to not pay it.

Double check the time penalty. Often the mail comes with some kind of pink label/paper. They are notified when you receive it. They don't exactly say how to count the 5 or 7 days (can't remember) and whether weekends were counted. But, I've been told that you can pay the lower amount if you pay within the number of days after the receipt.

Our ticket was from Locorotondo where we know we parked and drove legally.

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Under Italian law, the public authorities have up to 360 days to send the first notification of a traffic violation to foreign drivers living outside of the country. (i.e. Americans who rent a car in Italy).

The car rental agency can charge you the amount ( usually $50) that was in the rental contract to facilitate providing the authorities with your address.

A regular Italian-American contributor to this forum, Roberto di Firenze, has written quite a comprehensive synopsis on handling Italian traffic tickets. If you do a search you can read his thorough explanation on the topic in the November 12, 2024 thread started by stanjohnsonpa titled: “I’ve Been Contacted by a “Cedar Business Services” Debt Collection Agency About a Florence Ticket.”

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Under Italian law, the public authorities have up to 360 months (yep- 3 years)! to send the first notification of a traffic violation to foreign drivers living outside of the country.

Euh ???
Codice stradale articolo 201:
'Per i residenti all’estero la notifica deve essere effettuata entro trecentosessanta giorni dall’accertamento.'
https://aci.gov.it/codice-della-strada/art-201/

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@Windyram, Che cosa? Since Italian is not my mother tongue— I haven’t a clue as to what you posted.

However, since you are a Belgian resident and an EU citizen, what would you do if you received a traffic ticket in a rental car in Italy?

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Well Kenko,
you could use a translation tool ...

But especially for you ...

Traffic Code Article 201:
'For residents abroad, notification must be made within three hundred and sixty days of the infringement.'

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Your profile says you like to travel extensively and feel immersed, away from tourists, in the countries and locations you choose. Part of that immersion is researching ahead of time what the rules are for transportation you’re planning - buses, trains, rental cars, ZTL’s etc. The fines you received are well-known and “fair”. The historic centers of those cities do not want to be filled with cars from people who don’t live inside the center - which helps all of us enjoy them more as we’re walking around. Crossing a ZTL entrance gets you a fine. Rental car companies having to process fine notices also charge a fee to the person who rented the car. Whether you pay it or not is your decision, but being respectful of the rules in a place you are visiting is very much a part of being immersed in that country.

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Leti, it would be best to check with an attorney, but generally in order to enforce payment of an unpaid parking ticket, the collection agency has to domesticate the judgment. And that must be paid for, so it may not be worth it for them to do that. They can certainly try and scare you into paying it by hiring a collections agency that will hound you within the limits of the law (and there are limits), but that's about the most that they can do. Eventually, they usually give up; especially if it's not a large amount of money.

But again, this is a general rule, and I would certainly suggest that you contact an attorney if you plan on not paying it to see what the legal requirements are and what the ramifications will be. Also, please note I am NOT advocating non-payment. I am just answering your question about whether it is safe to ignore it. Also keep in mind that this could affect any future trips to Italy, so I would consider that as well.

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Traffic Code Article 201:
'For residents abroad, notification must be made within three hundred and sixty days of the infringement.'

Notice was given more than 360 days, right? Checkmate! No case! Isn't that the end of it? Just cite this with a nice letter and twenty-seven 8-by-10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was, to be used as evidence proving our innocence (Alice's restaurant reference) and eureka, home free, no?

I'm not a lawyer (but I have watched the movie My Cousin Vinny so I am a bit of a legal eagle....)

Happy travels.

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Notice was given more than 360 days, right? Checkmate! No case! Isn't that the end of it?

Sorry, no, not if you were driving a rental car

FYI (in case of a rental car from a company in Italy).

If you have driven a rental car into a ZTL without permission, the rental car company will usually receive the fine notice. According to the law, the fine must be delivered to the car rental company within 90 days.

However, the car rental company does not pay the fine, but only transmits your personal data to the police so that they can send you the fine notice. The car rental company has 60 days to forward the driver's information.

Therefore, it can take 150 days (90 + 60 days) for the authorities to receive the driver data. And only then does the 360-day delivery period for sending the fine abroad begin.

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Thanks windyram!

"I just got a ticket from city of LECCE in Puglia--- 1-1/2 years after my trip in 2024. "

365 days + 182.5 days, let's see... where did I put my pencil? that's what, 547.5. Is 547.5 more than 360 + 90 + 50... hold on, I'm getting there.. that's 500. If 547.5 is less than 500, ouch! But wait.... Now if 547.5 is more than 500, then maybe they owe him money and not that other way around? So they should send him a check for 47 euros and some change... add postage and handling fees... and interest... and undercoating and let's not forget the standard 5% tip, oh, I get that they owe LeiCalifornia around 100 euros more or less. And a big apology!

As I said, I am not a lawyer. No, I'm just a fellow learning French so I can move to France to more effectively boycott Ryanair.

(If this isn't off topic, I don't know what is. Somebody should really flag me!)

Happy travels!

P.S. Again, personally I pay it.

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"Six or 8 months later we got a bill from car rental company saying we owed them $60 Euros just because they had to read the letter they received from that village with this information. (their admin. fee). (the ticket had been paid already...I paid the $60). Original ticket was only $30 euros so ..... felt unfair "

You would have signed a rental agreement noting the administration fee the car rental company charges for passing your details to the authorities. How is this unfair? If it felt unfair, why did you sign the agreement?

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You would have signed a rental agreement noting the administration fee the car rental company charges for passing your details to the authorities. How is this unfair? If it felt unfair, why did you sign the agreement?

Simon, I had to pay a fee of £30 pounds to Enterprise back in 2024 when I was driving around in Cornwall and accidentally went into a bus lane. I didn't dispute the actual charge as it was fair and I was guilty. In my defense, it was raining and I didn't notice the bus lane, but I still violated the rule.

At any rate when I got the notice from Enterprise and had to pay the fee to them for forwarding the notice, I looked up the agreement I signed and it did mention a fee. However, there was no mention of the amount. Now that's on me. Obviously I should have either brought that to their attention and asked for a specific cap on that fee, or refused to sign it. But of course if I had refused to sign it, I wouldn't have been able to rent the car. Honestly it wasn't that big of a deal to me. But I did just want to mention that sometimes the rental agreements do not have the specific amount on there and €60 does seem like a lot. Just saying... 😊

That said, I got lucky with the actual violation, as the city of Plymouth never sent me the notice of violation after they received my contact information from Enterprise. The fine wasn't that big and I'm assuming that they felt it wasn't worth it. I even went online to see if I could pay it just in case I'd missed it and it wasn't there, so they must have just dismissed it.

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If it felt unfair, why did you sign the agreement?

If he didn’t sign the agreement, he wouldn’t get the car, and would have to re-plan the logistics of his vacation on Day 1 of his vacation.

The EU and the UK are usually very pro-consumer, so it’s surprising that they let rental car companies get away with such outrageously high fees for the amount of work involved.

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The EU and the UK are usually very pro-consumer, so it’s surprising that they let rental car companies get away with such outrageously high fees for the amount of work involved.

Very often, even when faced with a relatively small fine, the rental company directly charges the renter's credit/debit card an excessive and unjustified administrative fee. This fee typically ranges from €45.00 to €90.00, but can be much higher.

To protect consumers, the AGCM ( Italian Competition and Market Authority ) intervened , with bulletin no. 22/2022 of 13.06.2022 , issuing six provisions addressed to six different car rental companies (EuropCar Italia, Sicily By Car, Sixt Rent a Car, Locautorent, B-Rent, Autovia), declaring the unfair nature – pursuant to articles 33, paragraphs 1 and 2, letter f), 34 and 35, paragraph 1 of the Codice del Consumo (=Consumer Law) – of all those clauses that provide for penalties to be paid to rental companies in the event of administrative management of assessment reports .

The above clause is, therefore, an unfair clause .

The expression unfair clause refers to clauses inserted within a contract which, due to their content, lead to an imbalance of rights and obligations to the detriment of one party and in favour of the other .

The regulatory provisions for unfair terms are found in the Codice Civile (=Civil Law), Articles 1341 and 1342, and in the Consumer Code, Articles 33 et seq. of D. Lgs. (=Legislative Decree) 205/2006. The protection provided by the Codice del Consumo applies in cases where one of the contracting parties is a consumer and the other a professional or entrepreneur.

According to art. 36 of the Codice del Consumo, the clauses " considered unfair pursuant to articles 33 and 34 are null and void while the contract remains valid for the rest ".

Therefore, if in a contract with a car rental company, a simple signature is placed in the part of the contract where one agrees – among many others – to the charge for the administrative management costs of the inspection report, this will not imply the approval, by the lessor, of the unfair clause, determining its nullity .

As a result, the rental company will not be entitled to charge you for the costs of handling the report.

For those who wish to recover what they have lost, these are the options available:

  • Act independently – in this case, the renter could try, through phonecalls, emails and so on, to get the costs charged back;

  • Hiring a lawyer

Result: most consumers will just pay (or should I say: they do not take any action when the amount is debited from their credit card).

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Even if you parked in a legit parking area, you could have very easily driven through a restricted area to get there. They have cameras everywhere. I bet they would send you a picture if you requested it. Regardless, pay it. There’s nothing “fair” about breaking their laws, getting caught, and trying to ignore the consequence if your action.

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@Windyram, interesting. So, a few years ago, we got a parking ticket in Domme, France. The entire lot of cars got tickets. It was quite unclear what the infraction was. In any case, we tried to pay it before we left for home, and were unable. We had to wait and then pay both the municipality and the rental car company the administration fee.

On our last trip to Italy, we got two tickets for driving in the pedestrian zones. In our opinion, both were "shady". But it wasn't worth the time, or I don't even know if we had the ability to contest. (One was Gubbio, entire city center was a complicated construction zone, the other had us in Locorotondo, at a date and time we were in Lecce) However, we did not receive any bills from Europcar or Hertz. I wonder if that is related to the AGCM laws? If that's the case, I applaud Italy. At least we don't have the rental car companies adding to a situation that, in some cases, isn't quite fair.