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Help with OAT (Overseas Adventure Travel) Greece, Albania, Macedonia)

Update: They fixed it. It seemed to happen tight after we got our Greek tour director involved. So we are pretty happy and excited again. I would highly recommend that you set up your own travel. That way you have the control and power to change things if you need to fix or change anything.

we are booked on an OAT adventure for Greece, Albania, North Macedonia. We set it up about nine months ago. Even splurged on business class the whole way from Oregon and back. We leave in a little over one week.

last week Turkish Airways canceled our Istanbul to Seattle flight. And substituted a flight from Istanbul to Seattle a day earlier. They also left our flight from Skopje to Istanbul, the first leg of the flight, on the original day. So not only would we lose one day of the tour, but it’s impossible to catch the flight to Seattle as we don’t get to Istanbul until the day after.

We had to bring this to the attention of OAT as neither they nor Turkish Airlines notified us of this change and that was last Wednesday. They looked for other alternatives, but none of them had the right layover time to switch luggage and go through US passport control.

This weekend we said, screw it, will miss the last day of the tour and just get a flight out of Skopje to match the flight out of Istanbul. In other words, take the same set up we had before they canceled the flight and just move it one day earlier. We were promised it might be solved last Friday, then we were told it would certainly be done by Monday, and now they’re saying it’s probably going to be Thursday.

What we discovered is that there are multiple layers and contracts in these air flight arrangements. The first person you call at OAT can help with simple things and if you get nowhere with them, you get elevated to their air operations team. They can do things that are a little bit more complex, but in our situation they had to elevated to the off-line air operations. A group of people that no one seems to be able to call and can only deal with via chats and emails. And that is not a privilege that we hold.

We called Turkish Airlines, because if I had made my own travel arrangements, it would take about 15 minutes for me to convince them to give me that flight on an earlier day or to pay for that flight. Turkish Airlines tells me that it’s all bound up with a contract with OAT and they have to make the changes.

The last person we talked to, we asked if we could talk to her boss. But it sounds like the boss does not have a phone number and she assured us that she is talking to her boss.

I have to say I’ve never been so stressed out before trip as I am with this trip. I think our fallback position will be to buy our own tickets from Skopje to Istanbul . The problem with us buying our own tickets is that it will be a separate ticket and we’ll have to get our luggage in Istanbul clear customs and recheck in for that flight to Seattle. We do have three hours, but it is a huge airport.

Does anybody have any other ideas on how to fix this? Or does anybody have any phone numbers or emails of higher level people at OAT that we can contact?

Posted by
2516 posts

This is a typical example of the mess you have to deal with when going through a tour operator instead of just booking your tickets yourself.

Which Istanbul to Seattle flight is supposed to be cancelled? because on the Turkish Airlines website there are flights Skopje → Seattle via IST in one ticket every day in the next months (with a 3 hour connection at IST). Only the one on November 18th is cancelled

Posted by
5610 posts

I'm booked on this same tour with OAT next year and, reading your dilemna, I am glad I have made my own flight arrangements. So, I do thank you for posting your situation to give me insight.

The good news for you, I think, is that you have contracted with OAT to provide flights to get you to the tour and back. So in the most simplistic terms, they have to do that. Frustrating as it may be, I think your best strategy is to stick with making OAT fulfill their flight obligation.

You might also check your trip insurance, if you have it for this trip, to see what coverage it provides for cancelled/delayed/(ridiculously modified!) flights.

Posted by
283 posts

Do not be stressed. This is not your problem. As mentioned above, OAT has the obligation to get you to and from the tour. Do not let them make their problem into yours. In the future, book your own flights.

Posted by
254 posts

I am responding for two reasons- the first to thank you, as I was considering using either OAT or Gate 1's flight packages. (Not anymore!)
I am not sure of your itinerary for where you will be the day (or 2?) before departure home to the US. Once years ago on a RS tour the office ended up combining two sets of dates, departing consecutive weeks, I think due to low numbers.
I already had purchased my plane tickets, it was the same as you with a new departure the day before the original. They offered to arrange for and fund a taxi, taking me the "new last" afternoon at least an hour's drive to fly regionally about an hour to the airport. I stayed overnight there at a hotel ( I may have paid for that? But maybe trip insurance would cover it?) and was able to return on my original ticket.
I'm sorry if this is no help to you at all!
I'm so sorry you have to go through this so close to departure and hope you get an effective solution very soon.

Posted by
2324 posts

Caveat- we have never booked travel through a tour or cruise company and I am hoping that if my advice is in error someone will jump in to correct it, but one part of your tale concerns me. I read lots of threads on FlyerTalk and your plan to skip the first leg on your return reservation (and book your own flight for that leg) may put you at risk of having your whole reservation cancelled if you are an initial no-show. I am so sorry for your stress and hope it all turns out well in the end.

Posted by
1626 posts

@bobkeenan,

What I would do is make sure that you have documentation that you have done all of the legwork trying to get this resolved with OAT. Hopefully, you have some sort of summaries via email. I wouldn't hesitate to go on the tour without the flights home resolved. Once you are on the tour, notify your guide immediately that you need assistance with your flights. It is my belief that a client actively on the tour, with the tour guide hopefully having access to the correct people, will help to resolve your situation.

What I wouldn't do is to take matters into my own hands, as that may preclude the ability of OAT to resolve your situation.

This plan would work best if you don't have important responsibilities planned for the day after you had planned to arrive home. If OAT can't get you home the same day, I would respectfully demand that they pay for any lodgings and expenses that you accumulate due to their poor response to your problem.

Posted by
1143 posts

If you book your own flights the same possibility can happen. You would have less recourse then too due to the separation of flights and tour responsibility.

Posted by
8473 posts

That's wonderful that it worked out! I'm very happy for you!