Towns to Stay in Rhine and Mosel Valleys

Rick recommends Bacharach, but in my opinion, Boppard is a much better choice. For one thing, by staying there you will receive a VRM transport ticket for the length of your stay. Then you can pretty much leave the car in the parking lot, as you have free use of regional trains and buses in the region. That goes up the Rhine as far as Oberwesel (but not as far as Bacharach), down river past Koblenz, and up the Mosel river past Cochem.

What is your family make-up? With a car, you could stay at a Weingut or other BnB type place along the Mosel for very low cost. We did that a few years ago and it was the most memorable stop in Germany as well as the cheapest.

"Please keep in mind that we will have a car, so getting around will not be a problem and we will not be dependent upon public transportation."

With a car, you'll be able to rent a place in the hinterlands if you wish to do so and if you don't mind driving everywhere you need to go.

On the downside, the towns are typically filled with visitors during the high-tourist season, parking isn't always free or available, and the roads are often slower than the trains. The journey from Cochem to Bullay is just 8 minutes by train, 30 by car, for example. It is exceptionally easy to get from place to place by train in this area. You will need to use the train when you do your cruise, at a minimum.

Boppard is a good Rhine base town for many reasons, including the waterfront hotels that provide nice views of the river and proximity to everything. St Goar has waterfront hotels and great views too. There are also suburbs on the clifftops here and there where rentals can be found as which provide a completely different perspective. You'd want a car for those, as the trains stay by the riverbanks.

Having a car a Castle Hotel might be an option
Here Schönburg Castle Hotel above Oberwesel (next village down the river from Bacharach)
or
Nice Hotel in Bacharach

or
A much cheaper option might be a Farmstay above Bacharach and a Holiday Home on the Farm
Check their website for vacancies

There are so many options

My friend and I stayed in a great AirBnB in Enkirch, which is a very quiet town on the Mosel that had, as far as I could tell, no other Americans and very few tourists of any nationality. I had wanted to stay up above in Starkenburg, but my friend is afraid of heights. That's the beauty of a car. You can stay anywhere that suits your needs and budget. Set the map wide on whatever booking site you prefer.

Hello Sam

Thanks for your quick response. I have noticed that a lot of people recommend Boppard as the place to stay in the Rhine Valley but it seems some distance from Bacharach which is a town we definitely want to visit. We have heard a lot about it in many places apart from the RS guidebooks. For example, Travel and Leisure magazine recently listed it as one of the 20 most beautiful places to visit in Europe! But I suppose we could stay somewhere else and drive to Bacharach. I am wondering if St. Goar can be a good compromise since it appears to be between Boppard and Bacharach.

I do not want to say that we have an unlimited budget, but we do not want to skimp on staying in a hotel with a great view of the Rhine (and castles if possible). We may not go back to this part of Germany so we are willing to pay a little extra to indulge ourselves! So that precludes staying in a town in the hinterland with no view of the river, even if it a lot less expensive.

Thanks again for your help.

Penn

Hi All

I do recognize that driving a car will take a lot longer than taking a train, but having a car gives us options to stop wherever we want, take side trips to explore places that we find interesting, and otherwise give us freedom of movement. We will definitely plan on taking the train on the day we do a river cruise. Go one way on a river cruise boat and return to our starting point by train.

Some of you have said that you stayed at BnB's but did not give names. It would be great if you remember the names of the places you stayed at so that I can reach out to them.

Thanks again to all of you for your quick responses. I find them all very interesting and useful.

Penn

Bacharach: Bacharach has some of the Rhine's most attractive old-world buildings and the glossy photos aren't lying. You definitely should visit. But it's on the same side of the river ands quite close to Boppard (20 minutes by train) and from St Goar (only 10 minutes by train - sorry, I don't think car-time!) and thus is one of the closest possible destination-towns you could drive to from these towns.

...we do not want to skimp on staying in a hotel with a great view of
the Rhine (and castles if possible).

Hotel Rheinfels or the Rheinhotel St Goar are solid choices and right next to each other. See photos below for views from St Goar across the Rhine:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Sankt_Goarshausen_Burg_Katz_2012.jpg

View from Rheinhotel St Goar; note proximity of the KD boat dock, which makes cruising super-simple...
https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/18/9e/0f/df/rheinhotel-st-goar.jpg?w=1400&h=-1&s=1

Bacharach has no such hotels since the town is set well back from the riverfront behind the main railway; see view from above town:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Bacharach_Luftbild_01.jpg

In Boppard, the Hotel Bellevue is a popular choice for riverfront rooms. The view is more bucolic and less dramatic than from the St Goar hotels, however.

Oberwesel's Hotel Auf Schönburg is high atop the cliffs outside of town and has great views from certain rooms. It's a castle-hotel, the finest in the area and a huge splurge of course. I like in-town locations, myself.

https://www.loreleyvalley.com/oberwesel-rhine/00372-oberwesel-rhein-778_01.jpg

I stay in Bacharach, 5 times since 2011 and another stay coming up in fall. I think it is a great place to stay. Plenty of places to eat if staying 4 days. I stay in a 3 room b&b with the sweetest landlady. However no parking. I would look at Pension Im Malerwinkel. Nice location - at the area of Bacharach known as the .Malerwinkel ( painter’s corner ) and plenty of parking. Wide variety of room types. www.im-malerwinkel.de. click on the Union Jack for English.

One of my favorite ‘hidden gems’ is just up the road from the Im Malerwinkel - Burgruine Stahlberg. It’s a very nice ruin with a small moat, towers and you will probably be the only ones there.

Not ‘hidden’ at all, but a favorite activity is the chairlift in Boppard. The view coming down is my favorite Rhine view.

"Hidden Gems" on the Rhine

Oberwesel (in between St Goar and Bacharach) is home to the Günderodehaus - a special place in a special location high on the vineclad cliffs just outside of town. I have only hiked up there from town - but driving is possible, though parking may be limited... Stop in for refreshments on the terrace and take in the view.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g198501-d1886472-Reviews-Gunderodehaus_Filmhaus_Heimat_3-Oberwesel_Rhineland_Palatinate.html

Another thing Rick Steves fans aren't told about is Oberwesel's old town wall/towers - take a scenic walk there:

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g198501-d2189241-Reviews-City_Fortifications-Oberwesel_Rhineland_Palatinate.html

Using the car/pedestrian ferry from St Goar or the ferry from Boppard, cross the river and drive north along the riverbank to Osterspai. Take a walk through this most attractive tourist-free residential town and you'll see why people live here. Small family-run inns exist here, mostly to provide simple lodging for the hikers who frequent the Rheinsteig hiking trail on this side of the river.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4E5FyzrK98

Continue north to Braubach, which is largely overlooked by tourists but competes favorably with Bacharach for the title of most beautiful Rhine town. Take a long walk through this small town. Most visitors in Braubach are there for MARKSBURG CASTLE, the very best of all the Rhine Castles for touring (don't miss it... the car is handy for driving up the steep hillside, English tours at 11 and 4.)

The Braubach photos on 3 pages below should convince you to take that long walk...
https://stadtbild-deutschland.org/forum/index.php?thread/7322-braubach-am-rhein-und-marksburg-galerie/

I always try to stop in for a meal at the zum Goldenen Schlüssel on Braubach's market square for some traditional German food (which is harder and harder to find these days.) Open Friday - Tuesday.

They set up outdoors too:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4143/4751924826_98980aa49f_o.jpg

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g642094-d8452318-Reviews-Zum_Goldenen_Schluessel-Braubach_Rhineland_Palatinate.html

Bigtyke has mentioned the Boppard Chairlift - don't miss it - but also, don't miss the terrace-cafe there at the top, Gedeonseck. Stunning views: https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/T9oxNMwLvt_-r5nCsce-jg/o.jpg

Boppard has lots of eateries and places to stay. Try the Heilig Grab wine garden (in town.)
https://www.deutschlandgourmet.info/bilder/gross/5710-Restaurant-Weinhaus-Heilig-Grab-Boppard.jpg

Boppard info: https://www.boppard-tourismus.de/media/was-ist-wo-broschu__re_en_190219.pdf

Since you have a car, let me be contrary. Base out of Mainz and Trier. Mainz gives you the Rhine valley, with options to take opposite sides of the river on alternate days. It also puts you right by the Niederwalddenkmal, and you don't want to not visit this. https://www.niederwalddenkmal.de/

Mainz also is perfect to visit Bingen on July 4th, because at 2000 they will start the Rhine in Flames fireworks, which run 2 hours. And you don't want to drive back downstream after that. https://www.rheinhessen.de/en/e-rhein-in-flammen-bingen

Add to that the Mainz cathedral, the Chagall windows at St Stephans, the Isis Temple and Roman Ampitheater, and a lot of stuff going on after 1900 when the small towns roll up the streets.

You can easily see everything on the Rhine from Mainz with a car, and you'll have a better choice of hotels and places to eat.

Trier is excellent for a lot of the same reasons, only on the Mosel. Roman ruins, WWII sites, great cathedral, excellent old town, etc. and an easy drive to anyplace on the Mosel.

Don't get me wrong, those small towns are great to visit. I've probably spent more time in them than anyone on this forum, certainly over the past 3 years. But I drive, and I'd stay in the cities over any of those tourist towns. And I'd opt for 4 days in the Mosel and 3 in the Rhine. The Mosel is better.

Here are a couple suggestions for something not in Ricks books:

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/germany/better-than-burg-eltz

If you like old cars, 3 July will be cruise night at the Zylinderhaus: https://zylinderhaus.events/kues-cruise-night/

One of the best places to sit and watch the world go by while having a beer and something to eat: https://www.brauhaus-kloster-machern.de/

Just south of Bernkastle-Kues is the town of Morbach, and right near there you have Burgruine Baldenau, one of the most picturesque castle ruins anywhere, with a great hiking trail through the local woods, and the Roman Archeology Center https://belginum.de/

If that's not enough, I have more.

We enjoyed Saarburg on the Saar near the Mosel and we stayed at Hotel Villa Keller. Trier is nice as is Bernkastel-kues. In 2012 we stayed at B&B Haus Theis in Cochem and it was fine. At they time it was cash only. In 2023 we stayed at Altkolnischer Hof in Bacharach. It had free nearby parking.

Wow Everyone!

Thank you all very much for all your suggestions. Clearly I have a lot of additional reading and Google searches to do before we finalize our plans. KGC has given me lots of ideas of things to do around the 3-4th of July, but unfortunately we will not get to the Rhine until the 5th of July! :-(

I have sent E-Mail inquiries to many of the hotels you all have recommended and I hope I hear back from them tomorrow or later this week. I can tell that triple rooms are selling out so the sooner we book, the better we will be from a peace of mind point of view.

Please keep all the recommendations coming! I love them!

Penn

Strongly disagree with the idea of using Mainz as a base town for visiting the Rhine and Mosel Rivers.

I used to live in Mainz, a nice city with some interesting sights. But as I understand it, you are interested in finding lodging in Bacharach or something similar, a village-like place with old-world atmosphere and nice scenery surrounded by castles, etc. Mainz is nothing like this. Mainz is on a very flat part of the Rhine River has 220,000 inhabitants and was heavily bombed in WW II. And Mainz is no closer to Bingen than St. Goar - and it puts you much further from the other Rhine towns to the north and the Mosel River as well.

If you want to VISIT Mainz, I encourage that idea, if it has what you are looking for. Check it out.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g187393-Activities-oa0-Mainz_Rhineland_Palatinate.html

Cochem sounds like a good base town. Large and interesting enough to have evening activity and relatively central between Trier and Koblenz. The castle (Reichsburg) above Cochem was fun, even if rebuilt and reimagined in the 19th Century.

We cycled from Trier to Koblenz with stays in Trittenheim, Zeltingen, Zell, Treis Karden and Koblenz. We turned the corner on the Rhine to head to Boppard and Marksburg Castle and back to Koblenz for a second night.

For us, highlights included the excellent Rheinesches Landesmuseum in Trier, Burg Eltz and Marksburg Castle, a memorable dinner in Zeltingen at Zeltingen Hof, and lunch with a view at Burg Landshut, above Bernkastel.

KGC mentions Mainz, which you may well want to include, as well. We spent about 4 hours in Mainz - which we reached by train - mostly to see both the Chagall windows at St. Stephen’s and the Gutenberg Museum, now in a temporary home in the Natural History Museum. Time well spent.

Koblenz is a lovely city - with a nice old town, beautiful parkland along both rivers, and more.

Depending on your family interests, ages and activity level, consider a cycle day if you can arrange it. Cycling the riverfront trails, past the campgrounds along the shores and with a stop for lunch or a glass of wine or beer on the riverfront along the way offers a great perspective. All very flat (except if you cycle up to a castle), with very protected bike paths other than in the city of Koblenz away from the riverfront parks and south of Koblenz on east side (right bank) of the Rhine.

Hi,
We stayed in Boppard last October and would highly recommend it.
The Bellevue Hotel was very nice. The staff at both the front desk and the bar/restaurant were very friendly. I would get a room with a balcony. I enjoyed sitting on the balcony and watching the river traffic.
A short distance from the hotel, 15 minute walk, is a chair lift, Sesselbahn, that takes you up, about 20 minute ride,to great views of the Rhine.
The KD line boats stop in front of the hotel. We found taking the train down to Bingen and then the boat back up to Boppard was the preferred route.
There is plenty to do and see in the area. Rheinfels Castle in St. Goar, Marksburg Castle in Braubach just to name a few.
We all, 5 adults, agreed that the decision to base in Boppard was a good one but I’m sure wherever you choose will be great. Enjoy.

No one has mentioned a visit to Eltville, which is on the right side of the Rhein. Beautiful town filled with half-timbered houses and a lovely, ancient church. The dry moat is filled with flowers and the promonade along the river is lovely.
Since you have a car, from Eltville you could drive up to Eberbach Monastery, one of the highlights of the Rhein. Stunning basilica!
Pop into Kiedrich and visit the church of St. Valentine, then head towards the Hildegard von Bingen Abby, just a short distance away. Close to Rüdesheim.
In Rüdesheim, you can take the gondola over the vineyards for a fabulous view and visit the Niederwald Denkmal. I usually recommend a visit to Siegfrieds Musical Cabinet, one of the most unique places around. For everyone who isn't driving, you might want to visit Rhein Wein Welt in Rüdesheim. For 12 €, you get 10 "coins" to use for wine tasting. They have about 120 wines, all from the Rheingau region, and set up in about 8 rooms. This is in the old Asbach factory and again, quite unique.

Mainz is having a beer fest from 3-7 July, so you might want to be there for that.

Mosel base town

Many nice towns, lots of excellent choices. There are many vacation rentals (Ferienwohnungen) available here and there; most have 3-4-night minimums.

Cochem (very busy, streets packed with tourists) is a lovely town. Can't recommend a place at the moment as my favorite B&Bs have closed.

Beilstein is adorable and has become very popular, but it's just too small for a multi-night stay IMHO.

Bernkastel is a stunning town way upstream near Trier. Do pay it a visit at least. Packed with restaurants ahd hotels like Cochem.

On the quieter side...

I've enjoyed stays in Bullay (very simple, sleepy riverfront town in a scenic spot) at the Hotel Mosella and at some B&B's that seem to have gone by the wayside. A bakery, a small handful of restaurants, a ferry crossing to the town of Alf, one grocery store, and a couple wineries... this is a relaxing place with near-zero tourists/souvenir shops. It's maybe 5 km to Zell, a town just a bit larger that lies upriver. Whether you want to visit places upstream or downstream, Bullay is right at the heart of the Mosel. This is a great town if you want to take walks in the countryside or ride bikes along the river without being shoulder-to-shoulder with visitors.

I see strong availability on the calendar from July 7-21 at this Ferienwohnung: Brautröckchen, 14 Bahnhofstrasse, Bullay. Has 2 bedrooms, 1 ba, kitchen, dining + outdoor terrace dining, and air conditioning (uncommon in the area.) Haven't stayed there, but it has very good reviews as well. Looks like just the kind of place I like to book for the 3 of us. €475/4nights/3adults seems pretty reasonable for the sample dates I used (July 14-18.) Look it up on booking.com to view it in English; German page below has the availability calendar:

https://www.traum-ferienwohnungen.de/783575/

Kröv is a nice, quiet riverfront wine town further upstream where we stayed most recently - also very quiet. We took a river cruise from there to Bernkastel (mentioned above.) We enjoyed our stay and breakfast at Der Weinladen (small B& B, also on booking.com.) Not sure about accommodations for 3...?

"...to see the place where the two rivers merge" That spot is called " Deutsches Eck. "

Where do you plan on seeing that? if you don't want to drive to reach Deutsches Eck, public transport is the answer. I would suggest seeing Deutsches Eck also from above.

That can be done overlooking the confluence of the Rhine and Mosel from the original Prussian fortress, Festung Ehrenbreitstein constructed soon after the defeat of Napoleon so that Prussia given the Rhineland could keep watch over this part of the Middle Rhine against the possibility of a resurgent France.

The bus #1 with Deutsches Eck as the terminus can be taken from the bus depot right outside of Koblenz Hbf.

If you want to see a pertinent historical little town close to Koblenz, I suggest also Bad Ems (very important) and Limburg an der Lahn. (somewhat further away) Depending on how much driving you're doing, how about Kaub am Rhein, this little historical town should you be interested in going after that.

If you like to plan nice evening events with good music, here a one sample for the river rhine area (most at very nice places)
https://www.rheingau-musik-festival.de/startseite

and here a sample for the river mosel area
https://mosel-reisefuehrer.de/index.php/aktivitaeten/veranstaltungen/veranstaltungen-nach-datum

Hello Again Everyone

Wow and Wow! I am so grateful to all of you for taking the time to post suggestions and recommendations in response to my questions. Based upon your suggestions, we have changed our decision to stay in Bacharach and are now planning to stay in St. Goar while we are in the Rhine Valley. I have written to three of the hotels that were recommended in St. Goar and I am waiting for responses from them. As Russ stated, we are looking to stay in a smaller town with more of the "old world atmosphere", so we hope that we can find that in St. Goar.

One of my family was very intrigued by the thought of doing a short bike ride as Fred had suggested, especially if the terrain is relative flat. We will definitely look into it. As we will with many of the ideas that all of you have given us. I want to print out this entire thread and take it with us to Germany. You have given us so many great ideas that we will have to figure out how many of them we can do in the 4 days that we have in the Rhine Valley!

Please keep more ideas and suggestions coming!

Penn

A bike ride is a fine idea, but because much of the Rhine-River biking will involve sharing the asphalt with car traffic and lots of noise, I would save that activity for the more peaceful Mosel River Bike Path. Stage 7 of this path is mostly dedicated bike path and one of the more desirable routes. It sounds like what you might be looking for. You can read the description and scroll down on the route using the link below. It passes through Enkirch (which G3rryCee has recommended on this thread) as well as Zell and other nice towns on its way between Bullay and Traben-Trarbach.

https://en.visitmosel.de/hiking/tour/mosel-cycle-path-section-7-from-traben-trarbach-to-bullay

Komoot is a good resource for biking. Here is the page for Stage 7 on the Mosel:

https://www.komoot.com/tour/1482867168

Note that it is possible to transport your bike on the TRAINS that serve some of the towns on this route, should you find yourselves needing that service for some reason. There is no additional charge - just a passenger ticket is needed - but this tiny railway, the Mosel Wine Railway, has tiny trains that have room for just 4 bicycles, so a bit of luck might be involved...

Hello Russ

Thanks for the tip regarding the difference between biking in the Rhine and Mosel Valleys. I agree that we will want to bike in those areas that have dedicated bike paths. Sharing the asphalt with motor vehicles does not sound like a safe idea to me!

Penn

On the Rhine:
Bacharach - small and very atmospheric
Boppard - more convenient for transport
On the Mosel:
Cochem - lively and easy base
Bernkastel-Kues - probably the most picturesque

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trier

I've spent about 160 nights in Germany over 24 weeks in 11 trips since 2000. I've never found it necessary, and often it would have been a hindrance, to have a car. And on the Rhine and Mosel, where I've spent 11 nights, having a car would be just plain a bother. There are things to see on both sides of the Rhine, but no bridges between Mainz and Koblenz and, I think, only three ferries between Rüdesheim/Bingen and Koblenz. And on the Mosel, although there are more bridges, the way the river winds around, and the roads follow the river, you'll travel quite a ways to get to a bridge.

As for a place to stay, my first trip, in 2004, was in Boppard, where I stayed in a Privatzimmer up the hill from the Bahnhof. The next time, I stayed in St Goar, in a hotel right on the town square, across from the KD boat dock, and would prefer to stay there. Bacharach might be worth using as a hub for your travel, but I didn't really find a lot there worth seeing (the remains of the Kloster can be seen). I do think Pension im Malerwinkl would be a nice place to stay.

The advantage for either Boppard or St Goar is that both of them have ferries across the Rhine, the only ones between Bingen and Koblenz. The ferry at St Goar goes across to St Goarshausen where there is a nearby Bahnhof for the train to Braubach, where you can tour the Marksburg castle. There is also a ferry at Boppard, but it crosses to a ferry dock that is literally in the middle of nowhere. From there it is a pleasant walk of about 1 km along a paved path to the town of Filsen, where there is a station on the same line to Braubach.

Hi Lee and slutskaaya

Thanks for your responses. As I mentioned in an earlier post, we have decided to stay in St. Goar when we are in the Rhine Valley and at Cochem in the Mosel Valley. We've made hotel reservations at both places so we are in good shape. We are all looking forward to the trip.

Thanks again to all of you for your responses with good tips and information for us.

Penn

Hello Everyone

I am back with another question regarding renting a car in Germany. As I had stated in my first post on this thread, my family and I have decided to rent a car for our trip to the Rhine and Mosel Valley. I had previously seen a posting on this Travel Forum that provided a website where one could compare prices of cars from different rental companies. But I cannot seem to find it now. Is autoeurope dot com a good site to use to do a price comparison? Or is there a better site that I should use?

Your help as usual is most appreciated. Thanks for your help.

Penn

Bavaria Ben always recommended Gemut.com

Yes, try Autoeurope. Gemut uses Autoeurope too.

Thank you very much for your two replies. I am not familiar with Gemut but I will give it a try as well as AutoEurope.

Penn

We stayed in Bacharach for 3 nights this past September and I thought it was an excellent base (Hotel Altkolnischer). We also had a car. The town is really quaint and walkable. Wonderful church and ruins (great spot from above to soak it in amongst the vineyards). Great meals at Altkolnischer and Altes House. I will say this...one day we biked from Bacharach to Bingen, took the KD boat (with bikes) to St. Goar and biked back. It was a good day, BUT, after driving along the Mosel to visit Burg Eltz and then Trier...I wish we would've biked there. And in fact, I am itching to come back to the region to immerse more along the Mosel. The Rhine was fantastic...the boats, the castles. But the Mosel seemed very peaceful, less visited, and quite frankly in my humble opinion...more visually appealing. That said, we had an excellent 3 days on the Rhine. I thought Rheinfels was underwhelming, but there was construction going on and we did miss Marksburg. But the KD boat ride was excellent...having a few beers and looking at all the castles while we floated along after a long bike ride was the most relaxed I was all trip. Russ made a suggestion that we took and I was glad we did...head to Boppard and explore the waterfront and then head up the chairlift. There is an restaurant with an insane view of the Rhine from up there. Grab a drink and just bask in it with no time restraints if you can. There were even some nice trails up there. Boppard was a gem. Oberwesel was great for wine tasting. Highlight of our time though, was a very early AM walk to Burg Eltz and then spending all afternoon wandering Trier...an incredible town with Roman history that I bet many miss.

"...after driving along the Mosel to visit Burg Eltz and then Trier...I wish we would've biked there."

It's a great area for biking, much better than the Rhine IMHO, where noise and traffic are more prominent. But you should be glad you didn't try that as it would have taken you a few days to reach Trier from Bacharach. The stretch from Koblenz to Trier alone is 155 miles (it's a VERY windy/curvy river) and Bacharach is a long way from Koblenz to begin with. So I hope you find time later for that bike ride; somewhere in between Cochem and Bernkastel works well if you want a single base town. In the same way that the cruise boat helped with your bike, the Mosel cruise boats (Kolb company) as well as the buses and trains can be useful. Radbusse (bike buses) like the ones you see on this page are often equipped with big bike trailers in the summer months...

https://en.visitmosel.de/cycling/service-information-tips

Regional trains get used as by cyclists as well.

https://www.rmv.de/c/fileadmin/_processed_/5/7/csm_Fahrrad_FOTO_Fahrradmitnahme_9bf56ebfe5.jpg

The rules/fares etc. differ by region. The Kolb ships charge 2-4 Euros extra per bike.

But the Mosel seemed very peaceful, less visited, and quite frankly in my humble opinion...more visually appealing."

The Mosel gets a tremendous number of visitors - but it feels much less busy than the Rhine, a major shipping artery with railways on both sides of the river. The Mosel is used for shipping as well but on a smaller scale - and it has only one railway - and parts of the Mosel have no railway service at all. All this contributes to pleasant riverfront biking. That said... I find the Rhine just as beautiful in its own rugged way. Your views from the top of the Boppard chairlift were memorable, right? Well, I suspect that most visitors never leave the riverbank towns on the Rhine, which are all at river level, basically, and actually miss out on some of the most scenic parts. Having done some hiking myself on the Rhine Castle Trail and the Rheinsteig trail, I can say that it's most worthwhile to head out on one or the other in order to enjoy the views from atop the cliffs in different places. The Gedeonseck terrace near the Boppard chairlift isn't the only glorious drinking spot on the Rhine for lazy hikers like me... Loreleyblick Maria Ruh (Urbar) and the Guenderodehaus (Oberwesel), are a couple of additional examples offering different perspectives.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g12425687-d2172726-Reviews-Loreleyblick_Maria_Ruh-Urbar_Rhineland_Palatinate.html

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g198501-d1886472-Reviews-Gunderodehaus_Filmhaus_Heimat_3-Oberwesel_Rhineland_Palatinate.html

Driving to these two spots is possible as well.

Thanks again for all your suggestions for places we should visit this summer when we are in the Rhine and Mosel Valley. The recommendations are awesome. Just to let you all know, we have booked hotels in St. Goar and Cochem.

Penn

Hello Everyone

Thanks in large part to the great advice all of you gave me in this thread, my family and I just enjoyed one of our most memorable vacations in the Rhine and Mosel valley's. I thought it would be helpful to summarize what we did and some of our experiences so that anyone else reading this thread will hopefully find it beneficial.

1) We flew into Frankfurt and rented a car there for our ten days trip. I tried both AutoEurope and Gemut and found better pricing on Gemut. My family and I had gone back and forth on whether to rent a car or not, but at the end of the vacation, we all unanimously agreed that having a car was the way to go. The flexibility it afforded us was priceless because our plans were not dictated by bus/train/ferry schedules. One one day, we were able to make a side trip that we had not planned on doing because we were running ahead of schedule. On the day we went to Rudesheim, we took the ferry and train without any problems, so I know one does not need a car to visit all the sites. But we really enjoyed having the car and will definitely get one again if we go back to the area.

2) We stayed at the Hotel zur Lorely in St. Goar and it was wonderful. Herr Stefan, the owner, was terrific. He gave us lots of good advice in terms of sightseeing as well as places to eat. Based upon his advice, we took a couple of bottles of wine and some cheese to the riverfront on two days and thoroughly enjoyed the picnic and the scenery. I highly recommend his little hotel.

3) In the Mosel valley, we stayed at The Hotel am Hafen in Cochem. I would recommend this place as well only because of its location and the views, but it took several phone calls and E-Mails for anyone to confirm our reservations. When we got there, the reason for this became clear as the reception desk was rarely staffed even though it was quite a big hotel. I thought that someone would be at the reception desk in the morning when people normally check out, or in the afternoon when people normally check in, but this was not the case. So unlike Herr Stefan at St. Goar, we got no advice or suggestions from the hotel management in Coche. Customer service at Hotel am Hafen was non-existent.

4) The weather throughout our trip was really hot. In the past, I have not seen many Europeans wearing shorts, but on this trip, I would say that 80% of the men on the streets were in shorts. I do not blame them!

5) Based upon our observation that most of the people on the streets of the smaller towns were speaking German, my family and I got the impression that a lot of them were probably locals or other Germans vacationers. Many of the towns along the Rhine, including St. Goar and Boppard, did not seem to have a lot of people on the streets. Rudesheim was the only exception that we found. There were hoards of people in town. Cochem was very crowded as well.

6) We did tours in four castles. Due to timing, we were forced to do one in German but we were in time for English language tours in the other three. As we expected, the German language tour was wasted on us as we speak no German other than a few words, but the other three English language tours ranged from okay to very good. It really depended upon the accent of the tour guide. They were all fluent in English but sometimes the accent was hard to follow. Nevertheless, I recommend taking an English language tour when visiting a castle.

At the end of the vacation, we all agreed that it was totally different than any vacation we had done before. We thoroughly enjoyed it and would go back again. But in about 5 years when our grandson is a bit older and we can take him with us!

Thanks again to all of you for your wonderful ideas and suggestions.

Penn

Thanks for returning here with your post-trip comments! Glad you had a nice time.

We stayed at the Hotel zur Lorely in St. Goar and it was wonderful.

Hotel zur Loreley is a nice place with a good reputation and good location near the cruise boat docks, the ferry dock, and the train station. Glad to hear it is still treating people well. And for those who do use the trains to get around, this is one of the small number of St Goar establishments which provides all guests with the VRM Guest Ticket (a pass for FREE train/bus transportation in the area as well as discounts at certain merchants and activities.) My preference and usual recommendations for Hotel Rheinfels and the Rheinhotel St. Goar are based on the availability of rooms and dining areas with excellent views of the river and the opposite river bank, which the zur Loreley cannot offer.

There were hoards of people in town. Rüdesheim and Cochem are tour bus stops, and it's high season for tour buses. Mornings and evenings are relatively quiet when it's just the locals and the hotel dwellers.

True that many Germans vacation in the Rhine/Mosel region Most of us aren't aware that the bulk of non-German visitors in the Rhine/Mosel region are from Belgium and the Netherlands. To the untrained ear, the Dutch or perhaps even the French that is spoken by these folks might sound like German.

As we expected, the German language tour was wasted on us as we speak no German other than a few words, but the other three English language tours ranged from okay to very good. Yes, it is a little more than sad when the guide does not have a voice that projects or shows little mastery of English pronunciation! Many castles provide a printed tour script in English to guests. Sometimes they have one of these at their website, like Marksburg does:

https://www.marksburg.de/assets/uploads/Marksburg__Guided_Tour_in_Englisch_2021_.pdf

A few visitors from other countries in Europe might have German skills. Very few visitors from the USA, Asia, etc. have German skills. But even if you have great German skills, it can be tricky to hear if the tour group is big, chatty, etc. Your misfortune here is instructive... I learned this the hard way too... For future visitors... I think it's a sound idea to have a script in English on your phone or to ask for one at the ticket counter when you get your tickets, no matter what your skill level.

CAR vs TRAIN/BUS: The decision hangs on personal preferences, the size of your group (it's not easy to find seats for 4 together during busy perioeds) and of course on how complicated your journeys might be, where you are staying, and where your day trips will take you. Also, without any rail experience there's a learning curve to understanding how the transport system works. I haven't driven a car in Germany in 20 years and don't plan to in the future. Besides the fact that my wife loves a train ride and wouldn't come along otherwise, I never end up with a real need for a car. About 7 years ago I did nearly get stuck. I had to catch a $20 taxi ride when, thanks to a cancelled flight and a rerouting, I arrived by train way late in the Mosel town of Traben-Trarbach; the last bus of the day had already left for the tiny wine town of Kröv (population 900) where our B&B was booked. But that's about it in Germany. The Rhine and Mosel have amazing public transportation to even the tiniest places. I understand how to find and use the schedules, and normally, if I do a little advanced planning, things go smoothly. But there's no question that getting started with public transport in Germany is intimidating. The one BIG advantage for train novices these days is the DEUTSCHLAND-TICKET, which makes for very cheap and nearly fool-proof travel.

Hi Russ

I saw that you wrote this sentence in your post above: "And for those who do use the trains to get around, this is one of the small number of St Goar establishments which provides all guests with the VRM Guest Ticket (a pass for FREE train/bus transportation in the area as well as discounts at certain merchants and activities.)".

Herr Stefan did not give us, or even mention anything about, the VRM Guest Ticket when we stayed at his hotel recently. Maybe he is not offering this perk anymore. In fact, he is the one who suggested we take the ferry and train to Rudesheim from St. Goar, so if he was providing the Guest Ticket to his renters, I would have thought that he would have said something about it to us. I remember reading that hotels in Boppard provide this perk, but had not read that it was also provided at the Hotel zur Lorely or else I would have certainly enquired about it.

I just wanted anyone reading this thread to be aware of this point.

Penn

Hi, Penn. The most recent official list of establishments and towns which participate in the Guest Ticket program - dated June 1 - can be found below:

https://www.vrminfo.de/fileadmin/data_vrminfo/PDF/Gaesteticket/Beherberbungsbetriebe_Stand_01.06.26.pdf

Neat the bottom of the 3rd page is this entry:

VG St. Goar-Oberwesel... 56329 St. Goar... Hotel Loreley

There is no other such hotel in St. Goar with this name to my knowledge.

Also, their own website indicates that the Guest ticket is provided at the "Urlaub" page where they detail the nice hikes in this area - and they finish up with this:

Bei uns bekommen Sie kostenfreie Bus/Bahn Tickets um nach Ihrer Wanderung zurück zum Hotel zu kommen

Translation: "A stay with us means you receive free bus/train tickets so that you can return to the hotel after your hike."

https://hotel-zur-loreley.com/information/urlaub-im-tal-der-loreley/

So I can only guess that their policy is to offer the pass only if you request it, OR, that their failure to offer it to you was an oversight.