Nurnberg from Munich?

This might help
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g187309-d1491701-Reviews-Radius_Tours-Munich_Upper_Bavaria_Bavaria.html

Yeah I agree with the below response.
It depends on what you want to see in Nurenberg you can do it yourself.
We went to the Third Reich Museum which takes time that you won't get in a tour group if you are interested in that

a tour to Nurnberg from Munich or do it on my own?

Do you mean a tour the leaves from Munich and includes transportation to Nürnberg? My first thought is "no way". Without seeing the website for the tour, I think you could more economically go to Nürnberg on your own and take a walking tour of Nürnberg.

Hi,

What's your top priority site in visiting Nürnberg? Is that covered in the tour? If you have no specific priority and want to get an over view, take the tour. Otherwise, it's a matter of convenience over expense, which holds more importance to you? I never took a tour of Nürnberg, just explored around myself, got to the site of the Nazi rallies, known as then as "Reichsparteigelände.", the Altstadt, etc.

The last time I was in Potsdam I finally decided to take a tour since this particular tour included going to Neues Palais, getting off at the site, etc. It did not, however, include going inside. After the tour was finished, was dropped off at Potsdam Hbf, I went back to Neues Palais by bus, took the guided tour, given only in German, was told that specifically, no problem.... very informative and interesting

It's very easy to do on your own. Buy a Bayern ticket (usable from 9:00 on workdays, €25/one, 31/two) and take one of the fast RE's which go over the ICE route (not a slow one via Treuchtlingen) and cover the distrance in 1:45. The first one leaves right at 9:01. Or go on a pre-booked ICE saver fare ticket (travel time 1:04 to 1:10).

In Nürnberg go to NürnbergInfo, Köngisstrasse 93 (opposite the station, right hand at the entrance to the medieval city) and pick up a map wich shows the main attractions. You can gather more info on the single spots from WP and other internet sources than a tour guide can give you within limited time.

To reach the nazi rally grounds documentation center, take tram #9 from the Hauptbahnhof (a Bayern ticket covers local transport in Nürnberg: S-, U-Bahn, tram, and busses). In the documentation center you will be given an audio guide in English (included in the entrance fee of €5).

The last »fast« regional train leaves Nürnberg at 21:38. ICE's leave at least hourly, the last one departing 23:28.

You shouldn't need to research terribly deeply to do your own tour... Here is a planned walking guide for Nuremberg that should allow you to proceed on your own, at your own pace, according to your own interests. His book for Germany is a solid investment.

And here is a guide to Nuremberg's pubs.

Transport: On the cheap, you'd buy a "Region-ticket München-Nürnberg" at Munich's main station. This day pass is tailor-made for your outing and costs you only €20/1 person, €26/2, round trip. What day of the week are you traveling? I ask because on weekdays you can use this ticket after 9 am only. There's a DIRECT RE (regional express) train at 9:01 that leaves Munich for Nuremberg (arr. 10:48.) This pass puts you on the regional trains (1.75 hours each way) rather than the high-speed trains (which take a little over one hour) but will save you a lot of €. To get back to Munich by midnight, you would need to be back at the station by 21:30 for the last direct train to Munich. On Saturday or Sunday you can leave Munich before 9:00. There's a 8:12 direct train and a 6:32 direct train if you are a total early-bird. The good thing about this day pass is that it's flexible - you can return when you wish to Munich as long as you use the direct regional trains (or connecting trains on the exact same route, but they take longer.)

On the cheap, you'd buy a "Region-ticket München-Nürnberg" at Munich's main station.

Unlike the Bayern Ticket, that ticket is not valid for public transport in Nürnberg, e.g. for the tram to the documentation center.

Are you definitely planning to do the Doc Center? If so, the Bayern Ticket makes sense. If you aren't going there, or if you want to decide later, you can buy the €20 day pass to Nuremberg and back (and buy an inner-city transport ticket to get to the Doc Center for €3 each way.) Pretty much a wash price-wise.

The Bayern-Ticket does make it easy -- go when you want, see what you want, return when you want.

The Nürnberg Doku-Zentrum at the Rally Grounds is excellent, but if you have an interest in Third-Reich-era and WW2 history, an extra couple of hours to walk around the Rally Grounds is worthwhile. To get the full impact of the site, read Showcasing The Third Reich - The Nuremberg Rallies (available on iBooks), and watch Leni Riefenstahl's 1935 film Triumph des Willens (Triumph of The Will), free on YouTube, and filmed entirely in and around Nürnberg. Riefenstahl was a hard-core Hitler acolyte and Nazi propagandist, but a talented filmmaker. Technically the film was very advanced for its time.

WOW! Thanks for all of the ideas! If I do this on my own, I would like to leave early (6:30 am?) from Munich. I want as much time on the "ground" in Nurnberg as possible in one day trip. I was hoping to be back in Munich by 7:00 p.m. (19:00) I have not checked out train times/prices.

I do want to explore the historical (old town-non-Nazi era) and of course, the Nazi-era sites.....plus explore some local beer. From what I have read, it is not possible to see the courthouse where the trials were held? Not sure about that? It does seem as though the rally grounds are the main focus for visitors.

Does anyone know anything about visiting the "art caves"?

If I can do this on my own, I would prefer. I can go at my own pace. Being a photog, I have more freedom to do that, too.

More information is better........y'all have been great so far!!!

"If I do this on my own, I would like to leave early (6:30 am?) from Munich."

On Sat or Sun the day passes discussed above can be used that early. Not so on weekdays.

On weekdays... (or if you prefer on Sat or Sun...) the smartest way would be to pre-purchase saver fares on the fast trains in advance (ASAP.) They can be had as cheaply as €38 round trip if you buy far enough in advance (before these cheaper prices sell out.) Saver fares can only be refunded at substantial expense; they must be used only on specific trains at specific times that you determine at the time of purchase (no flexibility.)

http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en

The Doc Center/rally grounds visit is time consuming... If you have a full plate of sightseeing goals you would do best to stay overnight in Nuremberg and spread your exploring over at least 1.5 days.

From what I have read, it is not possible to see the courthouse where the trials were held? Not sure about that?

Everything you need is here:

https://museums.nuernberg.de/memorium-nuremberg-trials/visitor-information/questions-about-your-exhibition-visit/

... including the most FAQ:

Courtroom 600 is still used as a court of justice. Therefore, it can only be viewed on days when the court is not in session. As a general rule, court is not in session from Friday to Monday. Therefore, on these four days the chances are good that the courtroom will be accessible to visitors.

Does anyone know anything about visiting the "art caves"?

https://museums.nuernberg.de/world-war-art-bunker/visitor-services/guided-tours/

However, tours are in German only.

Great info on this thread. My wife and I are stopping in Nuremberg on our way from Munich to Frankfurt Airport on the last day of our trip. We have from 10:28 (when ICE train arrives from Munich) until 17:00 (when ICE train leaves to Frankfurt) and we booked specific train tickets for the discount. We will probably do some version of the old city walk linked above (without inside visits) and then spend some time at the Documentation Center before we leave. I understand to take Tram 9 from/to the HBf to the Documentation Center, but what ticket should we buy? I see a 3 Euro ticket and a family day ticket. Thanks!

IMO that's enough time to enjoy the walk, a couple of churches, maybe the Dürer house or a museum, the Handwerkerhof, and have a nice meal. In other words, to enjoy what Nuremberg has to offer onsite, rather than to travel out and back to the Doc Center, a place that I sense is there mostly to ensure that Germans learn and remember what their country once wrought - and can demonstrate their country's responsibility for all that. IME there's not much you can actually learn there that you couldn't learn back home.

But what matters is your goals. So if you go there, Buy the Tagesticket Plus price level A. You will save €.10 off the price of four 1-way trips.

@ psharman: If there are 2 of you, it is a Price Level A ticket, 3 EUR per person each way. The TagesTicketPlus (1 to 6 people Price Level A) is 11.90 EUR. So buying the TagesTicketPlus will save you exactly 0.10 EUR. However, if you decide to visit elsewhere in Nuermberg, that ticket will cover that as well, so might as well get one.

IME there's not much you can actually learn there that you couldn't learn back home.

Thanks for that info. I guess having just spent a couple of days in Munich, we will already have some of the perspective of the German side of WWII. I was thinking that the sheer size of the place might be worth seeing. Are there any other WWII sites in Nuremberg that you recommend (the courtroom, etc.)?

Are there any other WWII sites in Nuremberg that you recommend (the courtroom, etc.)?

The Documentation Center is attached to the giant shell of the never-completed Party Congress Hall. Worth a quick peak if you decide to visit the Center.

You can wander around the "Rally Grounds", but not much remains of the historic structures and other than a few scattered placards there's little attempt at preservation. It's mostly just a modern park with a few scattered ruins (the most prominent, though, being the above-mentioned Congress Hall). Wander around a little and you'll see what might be one of the most unique Burger King locations in the world.

I would definitely do it on your own on the Bayern ticket. As I think someone mentioned, you will probably want to linger places that they won't give you time to linger on a tour--unless you want just a basic drive around the sights. Nurnberg has so much to offer, and is so underrated. The Documentation Center and German National Museum alone could fill the better part of a day. Add to that the Kaisersberg and a quick visit to the Durer house, and a day is not even enough. I did not even care that much of it is rebuilt, it's just a really nice place to visit and without the hoards of Munich (at least when we were there, both times in the April-May time frame.