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Night train direct from Munich to Florence

In several older posts on this site as well as others, I have read about a CNL train available from Munich directly to Florence. However, I cannot find this train on Bahn or Italiarail sites. There is a night train that goes from Munich to Venice arriving around 8:00 am and then you have the option of traveling on to Florence. This seems a bit out of the way. Any advise on how to find the direct route for sale? Is this a route that has been dropped in the last year? We are planning on going in mid October.

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There is a night train. The Bahn shows CNL 485, leaving München Hbf at 21:08, getting to Firenze at 6:15 (at least for the dates I checked, including Oct 16). It then goes on to Rome. It goes through Verona, from which a night train used to go to Venice, but no longer does. That night train has been replaced by one that goes through Salzburg and Udine to Venice instead of over Brenner pass.

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Just go to www.bahn.com and put in start and end points and the date and time after 20:00 and you'll see it.

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I have found that this is THE BEST Bahn webpage to go to for train schedules.

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Thanks guys- just tried your suggestions. Still can't find it for Sunday, October 13. Perhaps because it is a Sunday? Any other ideas?

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Whoops! I meant to write Sunday, October 12....not the 13th of Oct. Still cannot find it on Sunday the 12th...but am much obliged to anyone who can!

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Double oops! Looks like it leaves 2 hours early on Sunday October 12, at 19:08, although it still arrives in Florence at the same time. The details show it crosses into Austria at Mittenwald, rather than the normal route that crosses at Kufstein. That would indicate that there is track maintenance going on that Sunday night on its normal route. While the tracks going through Mittenwald on the way to Innsbruck are more direct as the crow flies, it crosses a high pass over the Alps rather than the flat stretch along the Inn river. Thus, more time, so they moved the departure up for that night.

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Here is for Sunday the 12th

München Hbf Su, 12.10.14 dep 19:08 11:07 0 CNL from 83,50 EUR (incl. Res.)from 110,60 EUR (incl. Res.)
Firenze S.M.N. Mo, 13.10.14 arr 06:15

Unfortunately the itineraries time out after a certain amount of time so a link does not work. :(

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The Bahn website shows local trains at that time being bused (SEV) from Brannenburg to Kufstein. Must be track work.

The stretch from Mittenwald to Seefeld is more scenic (lucky you).

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First- You are all wonderful! Thank you so much for your help.
Second- Thanks to you I did find the direct route going from Munich to Florence leaving earlier out of Munich. It looks like this direct route will actually take about 30 min longer than going through Venice due to the detour. (Sounds beautiful...but it will be in the middle of the night.) Also, the direct route arrives just after 6 am in Florence. I am picturing arriving quite weary and bleary eyed with a lot of hours to kill before dropping bags off at our lodgings. So....I am thinking of going ahead and booking the train through Venice that arrives around 10:00 instead. Any more advice? Anything I am missing?

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zimmer - I try to avoid the really early night train arrivals - it is just more pleasant to arrive after you have been awake for a bit - had some coffee & maybe a bite to eat. Regardless of your arrival time most hotels will let you stash your bags right away. We have even been allowed to check in to our room as early as 8am - as long as it is ready most properties do not mind.

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The train to Venice lets you sleep 2 hours later in the morning, but that's followed by another transfer with your luggage, another train ticket or seat reservation, etc. DB won't sell the Venice-Florence connection, so you'd buy that part from www.trenitalia.com. If you are using a flexi-style Eurail pass, then either of those overnight options just uses one travel day (the day of arrival) since each one starts with an overnight train.