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Itinerary Help on 1st Trip to Germany Please (Bavaria & Dresden)

First Post on here so thanks for your help!

Asking please for help on suggestions, regrouping, rearranging days, etc. for this itinerary below please. I have narrowed my overnight locations down to 4 as "home bases" on this trip. This will be my first and most likely only trip to Germany (and Europe in general). I'm going to ultimately spend my last week in Dresden with our former exchange student we hosted as she gradates from high school. She and her family will host me and take me to places, food, etc. while I'm in Dresden, so most my help is needed for my first two weeks in and around Munich, Nordlingen, and Nuremberg.

I have already booked flight and have to fly into and out of Frankfurt Intn'l Airport. I had intended to rent a car, but believe I have changed my mind to only using public transport and buying the D ticket since my stay will be within one month and canceling my subscription (and taking ICE train on the longer trips). Any suggestions or changes for transport?

I want to take historical and/or food walking tours in the towns I stay when possible. I am interested in castles/castle ruins, medieval fortress walls, WW II history, local food, scenic bike rides or hikes, etc.

A couple of questions I do have - is it smart to try to plan most of my longer transportation days from home base to home base on a Sunday (or is that not a wise move) since many businesses, etc. are closed? Will public transport run and will I be able to find somewhere to eat on those days (Munich to Nordlingen and my last trip from Dresden to Frankfurt?)

Another big question during my Munich stay - I want to do two day trips to Neuschwanstein & Linderholf (1-day tour) and a separate trip to Eagles Nest and area. Should I remain in Munich for those 2 nights and commute for the day trips, or change those two visits my last two days of Munich and stay near Eagles Nest or the castles, then go straight from that location and head to Nordlingen from there (taking 2 nights from my Munich stay)? If I stay near the castles and Eagle's Nest, are there some beautiful lakes or hikes I would have time to do on the Eagle's Nest day? I realize there most likely won't be time for that if I commute from Munich.

I know this is a ton of info, but sure would appreciate any suggestions or help you could give to make the best of this itinerary! Thank you!

Day 1 (Mon/Munich)-Land in Frankfurt, train to Munich, check into hotel, rest from jetlag - see close-by sites if I have the energy
Day 2 (Tue/Munich)-Walking tour of city center, explore other area of interest (or other walking tours?)
Day 3 (Wed/Munich)-Day trip to Dachau (with tour company or on my own?)
Day 4 (Th/Munich)-See any other sites of interest in or near Munich that I haven't seen yet
Day 5 (Fri/Munich)-Day trip #1 - Neuschwanstein & Linderholf Castle (paid tour) (stay in Munich)
Day 6 (Sat/Munich)-Day trip #2 - Eagles Nest & nearby area (paid tour or on my own?) (last night in Munich)
(Should I stay somewhere near or between these two day trips my last two nights instead of Munich - or do the tours/commute?)
Day 7 (Sun/Nordl)-Travel from Munich (or area near day trips) to Nordlingen & check into AirBNB
Day 8 (Mon/Nordl)-Take city tour (walking or food), walk the fortress wall perimeter, the Daniel tower, any museums?
Day 9 (Tu/Nordl)-Day trip to Dinkelsuhl
Day 10 (Wed/Nordl)-Rent E-bike to two castles (Burgruine Neiderhaus & Harburg)
Day 11 (Th/Nurem)-Travel to Nuremberg by train, check into AirBNB, explore nearby area, dinner, etc.
Day 12 (Fr/Nurem)-Walking (or food) tour city center, explore other sites of interest, nearby etc
Day 13 (Sat/Nurem)-Day trip to Bamberg
Day 14 (Sun/Nurem)-Nazi Parade Grounds, other areas I've missed, other walking tours, final sites
Day 15 (Mon/Dresden)-Travel to Dresden (ICE?)
Days 16-21 (Tu-Sun)-See Dresden w/ family of exchange student
Day 21-22 (Sun/Mon)-Travel from Dresden to Frankfurt (ICE?)

Posted by
36170 posts

welcome to the Forums, B

You have done a lot of thinking about this trip so you are well prepared.

One question to kick off - you said that you are considering a D-Ticket for your 22 day trip (plus a couple of ICEs) because you will be within one month. Do you mean that 22 days is within a month's time or that all 22 days will be within one calendar month?

I expect that you know that the D-Ticket is for calendar months only, not for periods of 30 days?

OK, two questions, you have no interest in Frankfurt or the Rhine Valley?

Posted by
2931 posts

Make sure you get the bus w/o transfet to/from Dinkelsbuhl

Posted by
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Nigel - thank you. Yes the 30 days is within one calendar month. I would love to explore other areas and cities, but only have limited time and want to focus on these areas for this trip. I hope to maybe one day return, and if I do, I will def be looking into more places.

BigTyke - I haven't spent as much time yet on trains and buses, so I'm not sure what that means with the bus w/o transfer?

Thank you both for your help.

Posted by
9640 posts

If you are flying into Frankfurt, do consider spending the night there. This allows you to 1, get over your jetlag, 2, buy a cheap ticket for the next morning going to Munich, 3, see a very historic city. Do you really want to sit around the airport after a long flight, waiting for a train, and then sit in that train for a few more hours just to get to Munich? If you stay overnight in Frankfurt, you don't have to stress about missing the train, and you will arrive in Munich the next day a lot more rested and fit.
There is so much to see in Frankfurt that would match your interests, even if you only have the one day.

Posted by
2433 posts

Here's my $0.02 worth...

1st day - fly from FRA to Munich. Just as cheap as the train and faster since you're already at the airport.

Day 3 - There's no need for a tour to Dachau, and you probably don't want to fit that visit into a fixed schedule.

Days 5-6 - I'd go to Garmisch and stay overnight if I was trying to do these places. If I was driving; probably Mittenwald.

Day 7 - it's a very short trip from Munich to Nordlingen. You can easily walk the wall that day, and it being a Sunday the wall will be open. The RiesKrater Museum is only open Tues-Sun and you want to see that. This is a small town, you can circumnavigate the entire wall in less than 2 hours.

Day 9 - If you drive it's a short trip of less than an hour. Parking can be hard to find. If you take the bus make sure you get the direct one. There is no train.

Day 10 - Those castles are up some hills. I'm not sure you'll find an E-bike rental in Nordlingen. A car would be best.

Day 14 - The parade grounds, Hindenburg Field, is easy to get to by train. It's only a couple hundred meters from the platform. But the place is really run down, and the signage is decrepit. There's nothing nearby that will be open on a Sunday, and train schedules will be (normally) limited, so plan accordingly. It may take 3-4 hours round trip.

If you rent a car, which may be a good idea, you should rearrange your itinerary. Drive from Frankfurt to Nuremberg, stay there, and do what you plan in that area, then drive down to Nordlingen and from there to Munich. Ditch the car in Munich and fly to Dresden.

Posted by
7900 posts

Welcome to the forum. I'm fairly certain that I've responded briefly to your plans on the T/A forum. I mention that here in case you wish to send a private message, which is no longer possible on the T/A forum. You are welcome to do that on this forum, however, if you like.

An additional response for you here...

Day 5 makes more sense as a paid bus tour from Munich; as a day trip, it would be a long unwieldy travel day and very tricky to do both N'stein and L'hof independently by public transport. That said, I have not done the bus package, so this isn't a personal recommendation. Neither Neuschwanstein nor Linderhof are castles - both are more modern palaces completed in the late 19th century.

Day 6 also makes for a very long day trip from Munich to the Berchtesgaden area. If you are going to make that trip, then I suggest you spread it out over 2-3 days. Stay there, make the trip worth the trouble. Spend some time in the Alps! See a beautiful lake or two, as you suggested! How to do this?

  • I would cut Dachau as has been suggested already and move that day to B'gaden.
  • I would SHORTEN the time you are spending in Nördlingen by 1-2 days.

Then you will have time not just for the Eagles Nest, but also for Berchtesgaden itself, the Königssee, the Jenner Mountain Bergbahn, the salt mine, perhaps even a detour to Salzburg.

https://www.berchtesgaden.de/en/home

Posted by
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I’d personally stay all nights in Munich for the castle and Eagle’s Nest trips to keep the luggage simple, and the day trips are long enough that moving hotels just adds stress. Smaller towns will have limited restaurants and attractions, so I’d plan meals ahead. Dachau I did on my own and it worked well. Overall, I’d treat Munich as a base for the two major day trips and keep your travel days mostly on weekdays for easier access to restaurants and museums.

Posted by
7900 posts

Because the OP's goal is the Eagles Nest (Kehlsteinhaus,) the suggestion that this trip be done as a day trip from Munich should be considered with the real-world logistics from DB. The trip involves 1) standard public transport PLUS 2) a shuttle bus to cover the final approach to the Kehlsteinparkplatz.

München Hbf (Munich Central Station) > Dokumentation Obersalzberg (bus stop at The Documentation Center)

  • 1 transfer in Freilassing, 1 transfer to local bus in B'gaden; 8:55 - 12:27 (3 hrs, 35 min.)

Dokumentation Obersalzberg > Kehlsteinparkplatz

  • shuttle bus departures every 25 minutes... the 12:40 bus arrives at 12:50.

From there, you walk through a tunnel a few hundred yards to the Kehlsteinhaus elevator (maybe 5 minutes or so for this part.)

My personal ballpark for reasonable transport time on a day trip is around 4 hours (or less) round trip. This one from Munich is 4 hours each way - and that's only if you are staying at Munich's central train station; add travel time to and from the station within Munich if not.

Berchtesgaden is not your average "service-deprived" small town. The Berchtesgaden region is well developed for both summer and winter tourism; it gets more than 1 million overnight stays per year from visitors and is packed with basic services and things to see/do.

Posted by
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Ms. Jo - thank you so much for the info on Frankfurt.
KGC - thank you as well. I have found a bike rental in Nordlingen - I guess my biggest ? Is there a bus or train to Harburg to see the castle instead of biking?
Sharon - I am trying to keep as few "home base" locations as possible. Thank you for your input.
Geovagriffith - yes Russ has been a great help and I am looking into staying near one of those long day trips near Berchtesgaden as he has highlighted in his post.
I appreciate all of your input and help. Thank you again.

Posted by
2433 posts

Either the RE89 or RB89 train will take you between Nordlingen and Harburg. There's one train an hour.

If you like trains, take a look at the historic collection behind the bahnhof in Nordlingen.