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Is there anything to do in Dortmund?

My 20 year old stepson and a college friend are headed to Europe for the first time to visit another friend who's been studying in Prague for the semester. They'll bounce around part of the continent via bus from December 15 to the 27th. It's a bit frustrating for me because I've been to Europe several times and tried to suggest some places to see, even came up with a reasonable itinerary, which my stepson initially was receptive to, but apparently in discussions with the friend who is already over there and has already seen a lot of stuff, and is now light on funds, my suggestions got ashcanned. Now it's going to be 2 nights in Prague, 3 nights in Munich, an overnight bus to Dortmund, where they will stay 2 nights because they want to see a football game (sigh), a night in Amsterdam, then an overnight bus from Amsterdam to Berlin, and two nights in Berlin before returning to Prague. It's disappointing because I feel there is a missed opportunity to have a better first trip to Europe, but what can you do? So now I just want to give suggestions to give him the best experience he can have within his itinerary.

I'm trying to convince him, instead of spending a 10 hour sleepless night on a bus from Munich to Dortmund, splurge here on a train to Cologne, spend the night there, see Cologne before taking a 1 hour train or 2 hour bus to Dortmund (the football game doesn't start until 8:30 PM). I've been to Cologne more than once and loved it, and my impression is that there isn't all that much of interest in Dortmund by comparison. Am I wrong, though, would there be a reason to skip Cologne and spend the whole day in Dortmund?

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Yeah, when I tried to sell him on Nuremberg, a favorite of mine, I didn't even mention the Christmas Market, I figured that might actually dissuade him.

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Dortmund is currently at the top of the Bundesliga table and one of the top teams in the world. I'm with him!

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It looks a little bit rushed, but not unusual for a group of 20 year olds itinerary. Football in Dortmund sounds like an awesome plan, the team and especially the fans are famous all over Europe for the great atmosphere at their home matches. If they want to watch a proper football match in Europe (which they should!) Dortmund is one of the best places to do it.
I haven't been to Dortmund myself, but I have been to other places in the Ruhr District and found the industrial heritage there surprisingly interesting.

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Christian Pulisic is bigger than Christmas (with apologies to John Lennon).

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I was just in Dortmund last week. It is a city that does not cater to tourists so it is affordable if money is tight. If the stopover is before Dec 24, the Christmas market in Dortmund is huge & fun. I went a few years ago and loved it. The Dortmund football club (Borussia Dortmund) is on top of the rankings and is arguably one of the best in the world so I can see why your stepson wants to go! I do too! Dortmund has cheap restaurants, bars and the like to keep him and his friend happy. Plus the Christmas market is fun for guys in their early 20s as they can get all kinds of cheap food and drink there as plenty of young women are working in the festive stalls.

Dortmund Christmas Market (View Chrome to translate the page into English)

So I think he and his friend will have a good time in Dortmund.

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I seriously doubt that they will get tickets for BVB game, especially against near BMG it will be sold out already and also when one of them is short on budget. At the end they will hang around in a Sky sports bar in beautiful Dortmund. This is available everywhere else in Germany.

Furthermore they waste tons of money and time with distances they want to travel. Munich is also very expensive, especially around Christmas.

Let them calculate it through and they shall try to get tickets before booking the rest. Warn them: a lot of offered black market tickets are fake. If they want to see passionate soccer they can also visit a game of one of top 5 teams of second league. St. Pauli (in Hamburg) and Union Berlin are famous for their home atmosphere.

All in all not a good idea in my eyes. If you post some interests or wanted experiences the forum can come up with some suggestions.

Last tip. Let them do this job. nothing against you but in some ages a step-parent is not the "best" source for a young gun.

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Mark, thanks for the tip on the difficulty of getting tickets and probability of the game being sold out, I don't know if they've even considered that, will ask. I agree with you on the wasting of time and money with distances they want to travel, I tried to suggest a narrower geographic scope, and I pointed out that trying to make it from Prague to Amsterdam and back on their timeline was going to be rough, but knew going in that there was no way I was going to be able to talk a bunch of 20 year olds out of Amsterdam :). Like you say, I'm just the step-parent, so I can only give so much advice and then let them make the mistakes they're going to make. Even if it's not the optimal trip I imagine they'll still have a lot of fun and hopefully give them the experience and hunger to do better-planned trips in the future.

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Also, MarkK, since you live in Berlin, I have another question - since they will be in Berlin on December 25, is there somewhere you can recommend they eat, and things they can do, that would be open on Christmas day?

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Yes, if budget is an issue, they should stick with Czech R, Poland, Hungary (Budapest). Amsterdam is very expensive. Berlin is low cost compared with the rest of Germany in my experience. And do get tickets before hand for that football match.

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MarkK's post prompted me to do a little research on how tickets for a team like Dortmund works, which I thought I'd share since some posters on this thread were enthusiastic about the idea of attending a Dortmund game, and might be inspired to go themselves. I am not a sports fan at all, so this was all new to me, so if I'm repeating anything you already knew I apologize.

It seems teams in Europe are called "football clubs" because they are indeed clubs of fan members, the Dortmund club has about 145,000 members. The priority for tickets for any game is that they are first given to season ticket holders, then offered for sale to members of the club. If any are left over after that, then they are offered for sale to the general public, but very often for a top club like Borussia Dortmund, none make it to the general admission sales.

I couldn't find information on how to become a Dortmund member in English, but for FC Bayern a membership costs from 20 to 60 Euros a year, and you can only become a member during two short signup periods, one that opens July 1, and another that opens January 1.

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Zollverein is interesting, but it's nearer Essen than Dortmund. There's a less well-known mining museum in Dortmund at the former Zollern mine, which you might have mixed it up with.

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"I notice that on the Borussia Dortmund site that tickets sales for the Dec 21 game are marked "geschlossen", closed."

Hmm. When I asked my stepson if he bought his tickets yet, he said he was planning to buy them on the website, but that they weren't on sale yet. He doesn't know German, so he's obviously misreading that. That settles that, I guess.

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Never say never, but it does not look good. Try calling the number on the site and see if anyone speaks English and can give you the straight story. I looked at Moendchengladbach's site for away tickets and that did not look promising either.

Similar situation in Green Bay. All tickets are held by season ticket holders, but you can always find tickets on the secondary market. Don't know how it works in Germany.

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Dec 25 is like a Sunday in Berlin. Also some other things to know about Christmas in Berlin.

After Christmas the party is going on from Dec 24 around 10 pm in clubs because for most young people Christmas is over then. Germans who celebrate Christmas do it on Christmas Eve, not on Dec 25. And in Berlin we have people from over 180 nations, not everybody celebrates Christmas or some do it in January.

For the young gents some areas in Friedrichshain will be interesting in terms of night life and close to sights with public transport:
+ Ostbahnhof
+ Warschauer Brücke & RAW Gelände
+ Ostkreuz

A lot of clubs, restaurant and to-go food options over Christmas. If they want a good burger try Burgermeister at Schlesisches Tor or Burgeramt at Boxhagener Platz. Berlin is also the called to be "vegan and vegetarian center of the planet". Also a lot of new restaurants at totally new Mercedes Platz.

At KuchenRausch in Simon-Dach-Strasse they can get a good and cheap breakfast with an excellent coffee. But also other places will be open.

There are also two supermarkets at Ostbahnhof which will have open every day, not 24/7 but almost whole regular day, e.g. Rewe.

Please tell the young travelers that with age of 20 they are adults in Germany, means they can do whatever they want but also are fully responsible - no teenage bonus. I am writing this because we hear often the strangest stories what young people from all over the world are doing here. Nothing against young generation but sometimes even I shake my head.

I am wondering that they do not stay in Berlin over NYE at one of Europe's biggest street parties. It is really a big event.

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Thank you very much, great information, I truly appreciate it. I don't know one of the guys, but my stepson and his friend over there, who he has known since age 14, they're good, responsible guys who have never gotten into any trouble, aren't even very big drinkers (though they do like the cannabis), they won't do anything crazy. NYE in Berlin sounds like a lot of fun, but I think they'll be out of funds by then.

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Good for Borussia Dortmund! They wear the yellow.

In 2017 I was in Dortmund Hbf to change trains, had not seen the place in ten years. It has not changed as much relative to other Hauptbahnhöfe that went through more of an expansion and remodeling. I am for taking the bus from Munich to Dortmund...see the Zentrum.

In the outskirts of Dortmund, Dortmund-Hohensyburg is the site of the history monument, way out there.

Take the U-Bahn from Dortmund Hbf to Hörde, then the bus to Hohensyburg to the terminus (Endstation). After that walk ca 20-25 mins.

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So once my stepson realized how football club tickets work, and how the best he could buy for Dortmund would be standing room only for $100 each on a resale site (viagogo), he then found he could get actual seats for $73 at an FC Bayern game that's taking place while he's already planning to be in Munich, so the trip to Dortmund is off the itinerary, which in essence frees up three nights for them before they want to be in Amsterdam. I've suggested a few different itineraries along that route, places I've been and think they'd enjoy. We'll see what they decide. I do appreciate everyone's advice though, especially MarkK's, my stepson wouldn't have gotten to this spot so fast and probably would have gone to Europe still thinking he'd be able to buy BDB tickets had I not passed on Mark's advice.

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Good to hear, he has a solution. So: Houston, we don't have a problem.
x-Atlantic greetings to fabulous floor 60 view from JPMorgan Chase Tower :-)

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A few years ago, can't recall which one exactly, the game between FC Bayern vs Borussia Dortmund saw Dortmund ending up as the loser...unfortunately. I saw part of that game here in SF at a restaurant.

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Their match from last weekend was really thrilling. BVB has a good team together playing fast and effective football.

Niko Kovac (head coach Bayern Munich) has a real challenge in front of him - means to phase out the old and former successful guys and building up the new ones to play in their own ney way, not the old system.

And at this occasion tributes to Horst Hrubesch who retired this week. At least he was a longer than planned staying interim head coach of German women national team - unbeaten team in games he coached. His way of coaching individuals and leading teams is very unique and extremely successful.