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Include Berlin in southern Germany trip?

We are planning a multi generational family trip with our family of five and my 78 year-old mom who is from Germany and immigrated here as a child.
My mom is from southern Germany and most of our trip will be in this area. My husband and I have already been here, but our three boys (two teenagers and a nine-year-old ) have not, and we are looking forward to sharing this with them and giving up opportunity for them to learn more about their heritage.
I have never been to Berlin and have been curious about it. I honestly do not know much about Berlin, but I am interested in the historically significant attributes such as the Berlin wall, etc. I am not interested in modern architecture, though my sons might be.
What we are mostly interested in is historical sites, museums, local charm/ food, natural beauty, and locations of family significance.

My question is, is it worth including Berlin in a trip composed of mostly southern Germany up to Frankfurt?
And if it is worth, including, what’s the best way to structure the travel?

I found most multicity flights to Germany, more expensive than flying in and out of the same city and when extending that cost across six tickets, the difference can be somewhat significant.
However, flying into Munich and out of Berlin seems doable.
I’m particularly interested in thoughts regarding train travel between Frankfurt and Berlin. We are planning on renting a vehicle for our family for the rest of the trip to assist with seeing family and my mom‘s mobility limitations, but the long drive between Frankfurt and Berlin without much to see in between seems like a train would be the best option, but I’m not sure about cost.

Would love to hear community thoughts on these considerations thank you!

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Bavaria offers you the natural beauty & local charm on your list. And—while Munich has great museums— many of the best museum collections are to be found in Berlin. It is about a four-hour train ride from either Frankfurt or Munich to Berlin. You might want to check into Deutsche Bahn’s “D-Ticket ” and other ticket packages offered by Deutsche Bahn. www.Seat61.com has more info by searching under Germany.

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Mark, Yes— and the D-Ticket also doesn’t cover the whole family. Depending on the OP’s itinerary, some of the Regional Train passes might pencil out along with Sparspreis tickets for the trip to Berlin, if Berlin is included.
I definitely wouldn’t recommend travelling into Munich, Frankfurt or Berlin in a rental car. Better to rent when departing Munich and return it when first anrriving in Frankfurt. Note the price of a vehicle that’s going to hold all 6 passengers along with their luggage will be double that of a sedan. It’s not going to be as inexpensive as it is in the U.S.

Brace yourselves for sticker shock and start pricing car rental alternatives at www.AutoEurope.com which brokers car rentals for the big-name agencies.

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Thank you great information so far! Yes, as suggested in the thread we definitely not plan on bringing a vehicle into the big cities. Original plan is to rent in Munich and drive to the southern Germany locations and drop off in Frankfurt if we decide to include Berlin that in the itinerary.
Our family is used to packing light, just a travel backpack per person. My mom is not, but we’re good on that front collectively.
We did a similar trip when I was pregnant with my oldest son minus the Frankfurt to Berlin. Rented a van for my parents, sister and our husbands.
However, when traveling only with our immediate family, we prefer and are comfortable using public transportation, metro tubes, and buses ect.

I am interested in learning more about the in city public transport and how mobility accessible it is. Also very interested in learning more about the different types of trains specifically for the longer distance between Frankfurt and Berlin.

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A quick addendum, just in case: Going with local trains as the D-Ticket requires would possibly be even cheaper when using a shared ticket like „Quer-Durchs-Land“, but regardless of the ticket it will be about 10 hours one way - so it might be really beneficial to have an intermediate stop on the way for 2 nights, if the schedule allows for this.
It also seems that going from Munich might be quicker than from Frankfurt (much to my surprise), local trains would amount to 8 hours with fewer changes, and long distance is with about 4 hours just as fast from either point - if that helps planning.

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"I am interested in learning more about the in city public transport and how mobility accessible it is"

Mobility is indeed the issue here.

Berlin is a gigantic place.. Inner-city transportation is everywhere - it is streamlined and efficient, but due to its size, it is not at all simple to figure out how to get from A to B (even if you are accustomed to public transport) and multiple means of transport are often required to accomplish a single trip. Local Germans know the system, and they are experienced, well trained and normally in good shape after using Berlin's subways, trams, buses, etc. - even the older ones seem to do well. But you have a 78-year-old with you with "mobility limitations" who does not share your travel experiences in Europe's inner cities, who may or may not have your level of stamina and may or may not end up exhausted making all the moves that are needed to get on/off transportation equipment, to use staircases and escalators, and to share tight spaces with crowds of others in a busy urban environment.

Berlin is worth seeing. But not at the expense of a consequential fall for someone who is even a bit fragile. Unless your mom has insisted on going to Berlin, I would strike it from your plans, and if she has insisted, I would go deep into the "what ifs" with her before giving in.

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How many days will you be in Germany?

If a week or less, stay in Bavaria.
If 10 days or more, do Berlin for about 4 days. Also, consider stopping in Dresden on your way to Munich.

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The length of your trip should be considered.
I have a special fondness for Berlin, having summered there with my grandparents as a child. There are many sights to experience there and of course, it has always been a fun place to visit. If you have at least a few days to spare, the train from Frankfurt to Berlin is an easy way to travel. I can remember making the trip on a coal fired train before the wall came down. Now, it's as easy as can be. Drop the car, hop on the train and go. In Berlin, the public transportation makes getting around super. Even someone pushing 80 should be fine visiting there. There will be stairs, lots of stairs in and out of subways, but it's not like a visit to Italy, the land of a million steps. If you have the time, go for it.

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Only you and the family can decide if it is worth it to go to Berlin. I have never felt the desire to do so. Other than the Berlin question, I wonder at Frankfurt being the northernmost point. No middle Rhine ? My teenage or 9 year old self would love the Rhine with all its castles. Burg Rheinfels, especially if you can tour the tunnels, and for a ruin probably all to your own, Burg Ruine Stahlberg by Bacharach. Maybe a night in the castle hostel Stahleck above Bacharach.

I would also look at round trip flights to/from Frankfurt. That has always been the cheapest for me. There are countless scenic routes between there and Munich.

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I am slightly younger than your mom. We are visiting family in Stuttgart this May, with RT flights in and out of Frankfurt. After a week with them we are flying to Berlin from Stuttgart for a few days, and then flying to Frankfurt the night before our flight home.

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I agree that the length of your trip matters very much. Berlin is massive and has so many things to see and do. I think you'd need a week there to see half of it. Also, it can be VERY hot there in summer. It was the hottest place I visited in 2018 (which was a very hot summer), with temperatures in the 90s.
My recommendation would be to slow down and spend more time with your family. I agree that the Rhine valley (and the Mosel!) would make a nice 2-3 day addition.

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Berlin is massive and honestly not as handicapped friendly as the IS. There are often long distances to walk and stairs in Ubahn stations. I went to Berlin first and while I liked seeing the sites I thought Munich much more slowpaced and easier to navigate. Plus it’s undeniably more beautiful. Try to go to Potsdam if you go to Berlin because it’s a beautiful old town.

Whether it’s worth it is up to your family. I will also say that my opinion is an outlier since most people prefer Berlin to Munich.