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ICE ticket question

I've purchased an ICE ticket from Nuremberg -> Munich (I know not necessary, but my wife and I wanted to ride a high-speed train). As someone brought to my attention in a previous post, the ticket has the following text: NV =
NAHVERKEHRSZÜGE VOR / NACH FERNVERKEHRSZÜGEN; GILT JE FAHRT
MAX. 1 TAG BIS FOLGETAG 10 UHR which Google translates into NV =
SEVERAL TRANSPORTATION BEFORE / AFTER TRANSPORT TRAFFIC; IS ALL RIDE
MAX. 1 DAY TO FOLLOWING DAY 10 AM. The ticket is good for N-Hbf 9:28 ICE581/M-Hbf*NV. I understand this means I can use the ticket to get to my destination station within Munich; does it also mean I could use this ticket to get around Munich until 10:00 the following day?

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NV = Use of local trains before / after [use of] long distance trains. [this ticket] is valid one day until 10am following day.

You can use that ticket for local transport to your final destination in Munich (even if you decide to spent the night in a bar around the Hbf before) but not for getting around Munich, at least not if it's obvious that your ride is in no connection to your ICE ride, e.g. when you drive back from some point in the city to or towards the main station.

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This is why I don't use Google translate.

NV = Local trains before or after long distance trains; valid for each journey maximum 1 day up to 10:00 on the following day.

This is a standard clause referring to tickets that involve a local train before or after the ICE leg. For example if you had purchased a ticket from Fürth (near Nurembourg) to Munich airport. That would have involved:
1) Local train Fürth - Nurembourg Hbf
2) ICE Nurembourg Hbf - Munich Hbf
3) Local train Munich Hbf - Munich airport
What this means is you don't have to take the local trains immediately before and after your ICE, you can take an earlier train Fürth - Nurembourg and a later train to Munich airport. But just the route on the ticket, no doubling back or scenic detours.

But, your ticket is just from Nurembourg Hbf to Munich Hbf on ICE 581. No connecting local trains so this clause does not apply.
No you cannot ride free in Munich for the rest of the day. Your ticket dies when you arrive at Munich Hbf.

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Thanks, sla019 and Chris. I assumed it was not the case, and have already budgeted for the necessary tickets on each end. It's good to have confirmation, however.

I know Google Translate can be very inaccurate; unfortunately, my German is not yet good enough to translate that on my own.

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Re: riding free in Munich, even on the day of check-out. Yes, you can depending on whether the hotel at which you were the guest gave you a free Combi-Ticket, valid on all public transport in the city. There are hotels that offer that to their guests, ie this free Combi-Ticket. I have not done that in Munich but in Berlin I did a couple of times...very convenient.

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Fred, we'll be staying at the Pension am Jakobsplatz... I don't believe they offer anything like that; at least, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

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You can use that ticket for local transport to your final destination in Munich

As long as that final destination is the destination shown on the ticket. So make sure you ticket your trip appropriately. If the ticket lists Marienplatz, or Erding, as the final destination, it will show the S-Bahn from the Hbf to Marienplatz (or Erding) as the last regional train. In that case you can wait until the next morning to finish the trip to Marienplatz, but it better be one of the S-Bahns between the stations. It wouldn't cover you if you were on the S-Bahn from Erding to Marienplatz. And if you only listed the Hbf as your final destination, there wouldn't be a NV leg on the ticket after the Hbf, so you could go no farther on that ticket. Note: you can use any S-Bahn station in the MVV, and your ticket will include local transportation to that station. However, you could not include the U-Bahn station in Odeonsplatz, as that is not a Bahn station. The ticket would say "partial fare" and the U-Bahn part would not be included.

SLA or Chris. If the ticket was to the airport in Munich and, due to the scheduled arrival time, it showed the S8 to the airport, and, if the train was a few minutes late and the next S-Bahn to the airport was the S1 (different route), do you think you could still use the S1. Of course the next S8 is in a few minutes.

As for local transit passes that come with you accommodations, in Lindau I got a pass for the buses that was a piece of paper, with the expiration date on it, that I didn't have to give back, so I could have taken the bus to the Bahnhof after checkout, but a few day earlier, in Pfronten, the pass was a permanent plastic card that I had to give back at checkout, so I couldn't use it for the bus to the station. I bought a 31€ Bayern-Ticket because it included the bus rather than buying a 28€ Allgäu-Schwaben Regio-Ticket that included only the train.

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Lee, thanks for the information.

It appears I screwed up on that aspect when I reserved this ticket - the route is listed as "Nürnberg -> München, mit ICE". I thought I had specified Marienplatz, but obviously that's not the case. I was already planning on purchasing an MVV group day ticket for the rest of the day; now I just have to remember to buy it at the Hbf as soon as we get to Munich.

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As long as that final destination is the destination shown on the ticket.

It don't think so. Your ticket has to show MÜNCHEN (and not München Hbf) as destination; this is possible if your trip is longer than 100km. Those tickets are valid to any S-Bahn station in Munich (not to the airport, which is outside Munich).
There is a list of stations available here (German only, "Tarifliche Gleichstellung"): https://www.bahn.de/p/view/home/agb/agb_gleichstellung.shtml.

If you have a ticket to the airport you are not bound to the S-Bahn shown on your ticket; it's just a suggestion for the fastest or easiest connection.

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If you are in the mood for walking or have the time, you can walk from Hbf. to Marienplatz, ca. 30 mins doing it leisurely.

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I have long known of the existence of the Tarifliche Gleichstellung and that it means, for instance that, from distant starting points, the fare from Frankfurt Hbf to Munich Marienplatz would be the same as the fare to Munich Hbf. However, it was never obvious with my limited German that it also meant the destinations could be used interchangeably on a ticket.

It would be nice to know exactly what it means. Can you either show a reference or, since you are right there in Germany, confirm with German Rail that a ticket to, for instance, Munich allows the user to continue on to any S-Bahn station in Munich listed on the Tarifliche Gleichstellung.

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Can you either show a reference or, since you are right there in Germany, confirm with German Rail that a ticket to, for instance, Munich allows the user to continue on to any S-Bahn station in Munich listed on the Tarifliche Gleichstellung.

Lee, that is exactly what the webpage referenced by sla019 says:

Auf Ihrer Fahrkarte wird bei dieser "preislichen Gleichstellung" für den Abgangs- bzw. Zielort eine Sammelbezeichnung angegeben, im oben genannten Beispiel also "Bochum" und "München".

For this "price balancing" the start or end destination on your ticket will be given as a generic name. In the example above "Bochum" and "München".

So if it just says "München" on your ticket, and not "München Hbf" or "München-xxxx", then this system applies and you can start/end your journey on any station in the list for München.
I didn't know about this system, I would have just asked for a ticket to the specific station, but it says you get the same price if you do that.

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I didn't know about this system

Many German travellers don't either and the rules are not always crystal-clear.
I've just looked up the discussion on the DB forum and, to my surprise, have found that contrary to my expectations one can, within the zone of the "Tarifliche Gleichstellung", also travel "against" the original direction of travel, e.g. from Augsburg to Munich Ostbahnhof and from there back to Marienplatz.

Anyway, in principle the system is the same as "station grouping" in the UK.

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one can, within the zone of the "Tarifliche Gleichstellung", also travel "against" the original direction of travel,
e.g. from Augsburg to Munich Ostbahnhof and from there back to Marienplatz.

But that is only if the final destination is Marienplatz, and that is only because Marienplatz is an S-Bahn station, not a Bahn station. If the final destination on you ticket is Muenchen Hbf or Muenchen Ostbahnhof, the ticket coverage ends there. However, I don't know why anyone in their right mind, wanting to go from Augsburg to Marienplatz, would go via München Ost rather than München Hbf.

So if it just says "München" on your ticket, and not "München Hbf" or "München-xxxx", then this system
applies and you can start/end your journey on any station in the list for München.

Try to book a ticket on the Bahn website for "MÜNCHEN". It will give you choices like München Hbf or München Ost, but not MÜNCHEN.

I wrote to the Bahn and asked them if I had a ticket to München Hbf but wanted to go on with the S-Bahn to München Moosbach, could I? This was their response,

Your ticket when purchased is valid for from the destinations it has been booked for. In case you have a
ticket with München Hbf[,] the end station is München Hbf. If you wish to travel further to
München-Moosach it has to be chose[n] as the destination of travel.