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Help with DB change in itinerary between FRA & Hagen

Hi again everybody. I received an email from DB alerting me that DB changed my itinerary for September 19. I have some questions about this change DB made:

I had bought a 1st class ticket for the 11:57 ICE 928 that has me changing trains at Köln for ICE 610 to Hagen. I picked that itinerary because the first ICE travels on the western side of the Rhine which is a slower and more scenic.

The DB email says my new departure time is 12:42 & will be ICE 314 that will arrive earlier at Köln as I am assuming it will travel on the faster, eastern side of the Rhine. I do not even see ICE 314 on the DB app leaving at 12:42 PM on September 19. What makes the email more confusing is that toward the bottom of the email, DB then says it is “Our recommendation“ that I take the 12:42 PM ICE 314 train and crosses out the 11:57AM ICE 928 train.

  1. So is DB giving me a choice?

  2. How can DB assign me to a train that isn’t currently listed on the DB app for September 19? I wish I could share a screenshot to show you what I see.

  3. Because DB changed my itinerary, when I arrive at FRA’s long-distance rail station, can I go the ticket window and ask for a train ticket in 1st class on another train(s) to Hagen that day assuming availability at no extra cost? My idea is to select a train that goes on the western side of the Rhine. I was looking forward to that.

  4. If DB won’t allow me to select another train, what do I do about the “My Tickets” section of the app which is not showing the updated change DB made? It still has the 11:57 AM train that actually has not been canceled along with a small pop up window that says “ERROR Live information on available for this service.” What do I show the conductor assuming there really is an ICE 314 leaving at 12:42?

I take public transport all the time at home
and this one has me confused. Please help me understand. Thank you for your help.

Posted by
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If your booked connection no longer exists, you are free to choose any other without changing your ticket. Just look for one with a stop in Mainz or Koblenz (of duration 00:00) and take the one that suits you. the conductor knows (or can check) that your booked connection no longer exists.

Re 1): They are currently switching to a brand new version of the app and are therefore a bit slow (after all, they are a sister company of the Post;)).

Posted by
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The ICE 610 is on the schedule as a direct train ride between FRA airport and Hagen leaving at 13:07 (12:54 is the time at which someone would ARRIVE at FRA from Frankfurt proper on the ICE 1652.)

ICE 610 takes the high-speed route, which doesn't come close at all to the Rhine Gorge.

Your original ICE 928 train is still on the schedule, but with departure from FRA at 11:42. It still travels the Rhine route via Mainz and Koblenz and gets to Koeln Messe-Deutz at 14:08. There's a 14:25 RE train to Hagen (15:19) after that. You should be able to use this train sequence with your original ticket and without any fuss, I believe, if that is your wish. No reservations are possible on the RE train. Just board and ride.

There is a later ICE train at 16:24 from Koeln Messe-Deutz to Hagen, but that hardly seems worth the wait.

Posted by
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Continental, not an answer to your question, but if you want to share a screenshot, just create it, then upload it to Google photos. You can then share a link to that individual photo here in your post. I've done it occasionally and it works very well.

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I have never used Google photos before and I’m trying to figure out how to do this. So far, I took three screenshots and added them to google photos. Now I’m trying to figure out how to create a link so I can share all three of them on this page. I am not technologically savvy!

In the meantime, please let me confirm my understanding of what I have read above. Even though my original ICE train number still exists and DB has recommended or assigned me on another ICE train, I want to confirm that I can take any DB train or trains I want in 1st class that day (assuming it’s offered or available ) to Hagen (including the connection) since DB changed my itinerary and notified me of this in an email. When I show the conductor the QR code for my itinerary, he
or she will understand my situation and go onto the next passenger. I won’t even need to go to a ticket agent at FRA? Is this correct? If so, this sounds very convenient! It almost sounds too good to be true. I may opt to do Russ’ suggestion as that works perfectly for what I want to do.

Posted by
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Quoting the relevant DB website (translated from German; couldn't find a corresponding page in English):

"You have received a notification about your journey because your booked connection could no longer be found in the current timetable. [...] You now have the following options:

-- Search for an alternative in the travel information on the desired day. You will find the link directly in the notification e-mail. There, all details are already preset, so that you can easily get an overview of when and where your train leaves or what alternatives you have."

[...]
[assuming that you have booked a Saver fare ticket:]

" -- If your booked connection is no longer possible (train or stop failure), you may travel with another train."

I do this all time. But if it makes you feel better, get a confirmation from DB desk in Frankfurt. Then you can also request a new seat reservation right away.

The DB email says my new departure time is 12:42 & will be ICE 314

Please note that this is just a suggestion; you are not obliged to take that connection.

Posted by
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Thank you for that translation. Those words were not in the email sent to me & the email DB sent was in English.

Ok…. So I can take any train I want to Hagen and all I have to do is show the QR code from the booking in My Tickets and the conductor on both trains, assuming I need to change trains, will accept it? If there is a long line at the ticket window and a train that is about to depart is goes on the western side of the Rhine, I would just as soon get on that train & skip the window. This is good news.

Thank you.

Posted by
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A few remarks about your possible alternative connections via the left bank of the Rhine (you can look up them by requesting an intermediate stop in both Mainz and Koblenz):

(1) FRA dep. 11:57 ICE 928, Köln-Deutz dep. 14:35 RE 7, Hagen arr. 15:07
Local train from Köln, few 1th class seats, no seat reservation: you give away money

(2) FRA dep. 12:57 ICE 1652, Mainz dep. 13:20 IC 2045, Hagen arr. 16:00
Short transfer time in Mainz (5 min; but your could take an earlier S-Bahn FRA-Mainz), train from Mainz is an "IC 2", i.e. a sort of slightly brushed up local train, not comparable to the ICE you paid for.

(3) FRA dep. 13:57 ICE 228, Hagen arr. 17:07
Direct ICE, way more comfy than (1) and (2).
Personally, I would take this train and have a relaxing lunch in FRA beforehand.

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sla019, thank you! You bring up an option I had not thought of. I would like to see the Mainz cathedral. Could I do this with my current itinerary at no extra cost & go to the regional Bahnhof at the airport? I would just stick my luggage in a locker at the Mainz HBF.

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Yes, since the train binding for your ticket is removed, you can tailor a connection to your taste and thus also include a layover in Mainz.

(Apologies for the late reply - I've been getting messages all day from the RS web site that my connection needs to be checked, and then the screen freezes).