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Help needed with France/Germany itinerary please

Hello,

I'm currently planning a trip to France and Germany for June 2027 for myself, my husband, and our 11 year old son. I've been reading multiple posts but am a bit overwhelmed by all the options and trying to find the most efficient route for what we want to do. We will be traveling by train only since my husband doesn't want to drive. We're flying into Paris and out of Frankfurt. So far I've booked 2 nights in Paris (we have been many times before and seen all the usual tourist sites but just love to walk the city and eat the food), and 3 nights in Strasbourg. We'll spend one day exploring Strasbourg, one visiting Colmar, and one taking the train/shuttle bus to Château du Haut-Koenigsbourg. After this is when we'll be crossing into Germany from Strasbourg and that is where I'm stuck tying to figure out the best order to visit the areas we're interested in. We'd like to go to Heidelberg (to explore the town and castle ruins), and to the Rhine valley (to take a KD river cruise and tour Marksburg Castle). We need to end in Frankfurt since we'll be flying home from there.

I'd greatly appreciate any help in planning the Germany part of the trip since it seems there may be some backtracking involved on the train for these stops. We originally planned to spend one night in the Rhine valley to have time to do the cruise, explore some of the other Rhine towns, and tour Marksburg, and spend one night in Heidelberg to give enough time to explore there but we would also be open to just staying a few nights in Frankfurt and doing day trips to the Rhine and Heidelberg if you all think that would be more efficient. We want to maximize our time exploring and reduce it on the train as much as possible. If we do stay a night in the Rhine Valley, we're unsure which town to base ourselves in. Thank you in advance for any guidance you can offer.

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Consider shoulder season and not peak.
Your son will survive missing weeks of school in September.

Consider Paris - Dijon - Colmar - …

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Here's what I've gleaned from your post:

2 nights in Paris
3 nights in Strasbourg
1 night on the Rhine ("to have time to do the cruise, explore some of the other Rhine towns, and tour Marksburg"
1 night in Heidelberg
1 night in Frankfurt (to fly out)

Comments:

  • Your 3 nights in Germany aren't much and probably should probably be spent in one spot if possible. Your stated interests have nothing at all to do with Frankfurt itself, and a day trip from Frankfurt will not provide time for the things you have in mind for the Rhine Valley anyway, so I'd drop the idea of basing there.

  • That leaves Heidelberg or a Rhine Valley town. Here's how I suggest you do it day by day with sample travel times.

1) Strasbourg > Heidelberg 9:08 - 10:51. Deposit bags in a train station locker. Spend 5 hours in town. H'berg should not demand all that much of your time. Reclaim your bags, travel Heidelberg > Boppard 16:24 - 18:39. Check in, have dinner at one of the waterfront restaurants.

2) Morning cruise from Boppard > Braubach (10:15 - 10:45) to tour Braubach, have lunch, and tour Marksburg Castle (1 pm English tour), in that order. Braubach is a fabulous town for strolling around:

https://delveintoeurope.com/braubach-germany/
https://stadtbild-deutschland.org/forum/index.php?thread/7322-braubach-am-rhein-und-marksburg-galerie/ (3 pages of photos.)

After your tour: train from Braubach to Rüdesheim (scenic ride, appr. 1 hour) for the afternoon Goethe ship Rhine Cruise (Tu- Su only) through he most scenic part of the river, all the way to Boppard (16:15 - 18:50.) Dinner in Boppard.

3) Leave bags at front desk at check out. Tour Boppard on foot if you haven't.
https://www.boppard-tourismus.de/media/was-ist-wo-broschu__re_en_190219.pdf

Take the Boppard chairlift ride in the morning for great views of the river You can hike around up top there for a while as well or have a drink/lunch at the Gedeonseck Terrace. In the afternoon, travel to Oberwesel by train (15 minutes) and to St Goar (on the way back to Boppard) for more sightseeing. The old town fortifications in Oberwesel make for an enjoyable and scenic walk. Then take a late afternoon/evening train to FRA airport (17:16 - 18:34) and stay at one of the hotels there prior to your flight out. (Alternatively spend the night in Mainz, which is on the way and just 20 minutes by train from FRA, which you could do the morning of your flight. This is how I do it as I don't like airport hotels all that much.)

I've suggested Boppard as your base because of its proximity to Marksburg, its wide variety of hotels (several right on the river,) and the Guest Ticket you will receive there for free outings by train to Braubach, Rüdesheim, Oberwesel and St Goar.

There are other ways you might do this, but I'm confident this will work well for you.

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Hi, Candance, if you're going to be in the Rhine area, I think that you and especially your son would really enjoy Burg Eltz, in addition to Marksburg. It's a beautiful castle with a gorgeous view of the surrounding valley. It is still owned by a branch of the House of Eltz who have lived there since the 12th century.

You can get there by train and/or bus and then take a shuttle up to the castle, or you can enjoy a lovely 15-20 minute walk through a dense forest trail that hides the structure until the very last moment.

https://burg-eltz.de/en/homepage

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That’s a fast trip! And a lot of ground to cover! Just a week or not much longer. How many nights can you spend in Germany? That might help with advice.

Might less be more? Skip Paris altogether - since you’ve been many times before - and take a train direct from CDG to Strasbourg or fly RT in and out of FRA? Can you cancel your hotel? 3 nights in Strasbourg as you plan and 5 nights for SW Germany?

We covered all that you describe a year ago except Heidelberg (but plus the Black Forest and other sights in Baden Wurttenburg along on near the Neckar R.) as part of a month long journey to E France and SW. Germany, one year ago. So I understand how daunting planning might be. (My original thought for Rhein and Heidelberg evolved to Mosel R., Koblenz - with a one day cycle on the Rhein - and then a week to Mainz and elsewhere along the Neckar, other places yet and Black Forest)

With an 11 year old and with castles on your agenda, perhaps base in Koblenz and see Marksburg from there. We spent a lovely day cycling from Koblenz up the Rhein to Boppard, ferried across the Rhein, and cycled back to Koblenz via Marksburg. That might work well for your family. Burg Eltz is also possible as a day trip from Koblenz. And Koblenz itself, at the confluence of the two rivers is nice city with its own sights to enjoy including a surprisingly nice old town area that was well restored after WW2.

Further up the Mosel, there’s more to enjoy. Cochem for one. Trier and its Roman sights might be of interest.

Have you considered a cycle trip? With an 11 year old that might be a hit. A great way to see the countryside and small towns, even castle visits (despite the hills)

Our relevant TRs are at

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/sw-germany-e-france-alsace-burgundy-pt-3-of-4

And (for the Mosel & Rhein):

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/sw-germany-and-e-france-part-1-of-4

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As other posters have pointed out, the entire Rhine + Mosel region is ripe with great places to see and things to do - if indeed you should end up with more time on your hands than expected. Burg Eltz, Trier, Cochem, and Bernkastel are all worth your time. Maybe with a week or so you could do some cycling too. Regarding the hike to Burg Eltz: not sure where mardee's hike begins, but the traditional hike from the nearest train station (Moselkern) is longer than 15 minutes... figure close to an hour one way.

Map of the Mosel Railway for your reference:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Karte_der_Bahnstrecke_Koblenz%E2%80%93Trier.png

fred mentions the Black Forest... also a nice place and pretty dang close to Strasbourg as well. GENGENBACH is an outstanding travel base, quick and easy to reach from Strasbourg and located right on the scenic Black Forest Railway for any outings you might take. Leaf through some photos of this handsome old-world town here:

https://stadtbild-deutschland.org/forum/index.php?thread/10418-gengenbach-galerie/

Black Forest Railway: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Verlaufskarte_Schwarzwaldbahn_%28Baden%29.png

So with maybe 5-7 days in Germany it would be possible to supplement the 3-day Rhine plan with elements from either the Mosel River or the Black Forest.