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Germany or Italy?

Hello - My wife and are planning our third trip to Europe and are debating between Italy and Germany. Our first trip to Europe was a few years ago to Germany, which we absolutely loved. Our second was to Prague, which was great as well. We have been researching Italy (Venice, Italian Lakes, Ligurian Coast and Tuscany) and are surprised at the cost of such a trip. We are guessing for 12 nights it will cost $7000 with airfare for a typical 3 star experience. We're thinking we can go back to Germany for much less, but are wondering if Italy is worth the extra money and we should just suck it up. Any advice from seasoned travelers would be appreciated. Thank you.

V&K

Posted by
307 posts

I would go to Italy - perhaps Venice, the Dolomites and the Lakes. The Bologna/Parma area is also very interesting. Cost is whatever you are willing to spend - I didn't find Italy any more expensive than Germany.

Posted by
12314 posts

When are you going? I go further north in the summer. Germany in September is ideal, lots of festivals, cheaper airfare and relatively small crowds.

Italy can be miserably hot in the summer, not so bad up north, but beautiful in late fall. If you go in October, you will enjoy nice weather, lower prices (for plane tickets and lodging), and smaller crowds (though some places are always crowded).

Another factor to help you choose is how you like to travel.

Germany is clean, tidy, on-time, and efficient. Train tickets are easy to book and virtually always on time. You rarely have a problem but if you do, Germans fix it quickly and efficiently. In many ways, the downside of traveling in Germany is that there are too many similarities to the US, in terms of customer expectations for service, cleanliness, and reliability.

Italy is completely different. I call it "come what may" travel. The first thing you will notice (though all of these get worse the further south you go) is how dirty things are compared to northern Europe. A clean public toilet is rare. The customer is not necessarily right and customer service is as likely to ignore your problem as solve it. The room or ticket reservation you booked may or may not work out. Your room might not have towels for everyone in your group. If you eat in tourist sections, be prepared for something less than special - at the same price you would pay for better food elsewhere. The most common response by an Italian to a complaint is a shrug of the shoulders. If you can laugh about it, it's actually kind of entertaining. If that bothers you, however, you may not enjoy Italy at all.

Posted by
344 posts

I have had limited travel in Germany (to towns recommended by Rick Steves) and last year went on a 2 week visit to Italy (Rome, Padua, Venice) and found both areas comparable regarding customer service and organization. I was very impressed by the timeliness, cleanliness, and organization of public transportation in both countries---trains were especially easy to navigate even for English-only speakers. Accommodations, ditto.

Both countries provide wonderful opportunities. Italian is more similar to French/Spanish so if you have a slight background in either language, Italy may be easier for you; German is....pretty unique, although English is spoken in many, many places.

As to your destinations, I am probably one of the only people who was not charmed by Venice. We were there in early April (not high season) and it was jammed with people, almost shoulder to shoulder in the most visited areas such as St. Mark's Square. Even though we had "no wait" tickets for most of the sights, it was too many people for me---and the vendors were every 20 feet selling the tackiest souvenirs imaginable. That being said, there is only one Venice, so if you can do your best to avoid crowds, it may still be worth your while.

Enjoy what I'm sure will be a most wonderful trip.

SuzieeQQ

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8974 posts

No question - go to Italy. I like Germany too, but if you don't go to Italy once in your life, you will regret it. I did not find it to be more expensive - actually less expensive than Germany.

Posted by
3696 posts

Italy... without a doubt. I have been to and love both. If the question were reversed and you had spent time in Italy and questioned visiting Germany....I would say go to Germany. See as much as you can...
I do not find Italy to be more expensive than Germany, but I guess I re-adjust my spending... I usually travel as cheaply as I can, so I do not stay in expensive hotels, nor do I eat big, expensive meals. I almost always have a car and do lots of car picnics. But... I would rather see Italy and cut out a few days if I had to then to go see Germany again simply because it might be cheaper.

I guess I don't look at the Italians as 'not caring' about tourists problems... but more that it's 'not important', in the whole scheme of things. I try to embrace as much of the Italian lifestyle as possible when I am there... La Dolce Vita & Carpe Diem... Italy makes me smile:)))

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32353 posts

vinceandkatelyn,

As others have mentioned, I also haven't found Italy to be more expensive than Germany. A few things might be cheaper, but overall it all balances out.

Since you haven't yet been there, I'd definitely suggest going to Italy this time. I suspect your costs might be less than predicted. If you're using a Guidebook to plan your travels, that will provide lots of information on good, reasonably priced hotels and other ways to save money.

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3941 posts

Am planning my 4th trip to Europe for Sept, and back to Italy...for the 4th time (Venice for the 4th and Rome for the 2nd and hopefully Amalfi coast for the 1st time)...I always manage to get it into our trips. It is an amazing country, Venice is a totally gorgeous place...it is hard not to want to go back over and over...

I will say we only had a few days in Germany, and tho I would like to return, Italy (and France) just keep pulling me back.

Posted by
934 posts

I also like Italy but if you have to go in June,July or august it might be better to go to Germany as it can be very hot and crowded in Italy. Spring and fall Italy is great.

Posted by
16895 posts

Venice was rated by the Italians as having the most expensive hotels in Italy, but Rick's book still lists many doubles priced at 90 - 150 euros/night. In Varenna on Lake Como, there are several doubles listed at 130 euros, and a couple of cheaper options. You don't need to live "high on the hog" to have a great experience of these areas. I always start by circling all the cheapest options in each chapter and have found Rick's listings to describe the pluses and minuses pretty accurately.

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Thank you everyone for the comments. We have decided on Italy and are heading in first part of October! Plan right now is Venice, Verona, and Tuscany. Debating on if we will have enough time to add Lake Como or Cinque Terre. We have 12 nights but have heard it is best not to cram too many places in one visit.

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11613 posts

I go to Italy frequently, have only been to Germany once so far. I think the countries you know better give you the opportunity to travel less expensively - you develop a method for finding good, reasonably priced food, you learn what the star system means for hotels, you can figure out transportation, etc.

Enjoy my favorite country!

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I've traveled extensively from Munich down to Venice--including the Grossglockner Alpine Highway and the Dolomites. We just love the mountainous areas via rental car. And we love visiting Venice. Lake Garda west of Verona is another special place to see.

Last trip to Italy was into Pisa, staying in Florence, picking up a rental car and staying at an agriturismo outside San Gimignano. We toured a number of hill towns, including Siena and Volterra. We later turned our rental car in at Orvieto and took a train into Rome.

We spend much less money than you're talking about--starting with avoiding Europe in Summer. Any larger European city is going to be more expensive than the countryside, but we try to stick to B&B's and farm stays whenever possible. We try to average 70 Euros a night for rooms. Our airfares leaving 4/25/14 were $728 each on a one day sale.

Yes, Italy is a must for any experienced traveler.

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I also love Germany, so I understand the appeal and am planning a trip yet another trip there. However, I agree with several of the other posters, you have to go to Italy or you'll regret it. We did a southern Europe loop year before last, Munich, Dubrovnik, Rome, Venice, Cinque Terre..and that way we had another taste of Germany but also captured Italy. Can you consider a touch of both? Florence, Venice...aren't far from Munich by overnight train. Either way, Italy, Germany, you can't go wrong!

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2297 posts

We know Germany very well so manage to travel very cheaply there. Italy was definitely the most expensive European destination we've been so far - even more expensive than Switzerland. Mostly because we chose more stops in Italy. The more places you try to see the more expensive it gets. A slower pace is cheaper and actually let's you appreciate the country more. In hindsight we should have dropped one stop. We had 3 weeks and saw Rome, Tuscany, the Amalfi Coast/Campania and Cinque Terre. Should have skipped the last one (too crowded anyways, too hot in July).

If you really want to appreciate the Italian "Dolce Vita" and save some money, try not to add too many destinations to your trip.

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19274 posts

It might depend on your language knowledge. According to the latest statistics I've seen from the EU, 56% of people in Germany can speak English; in Italy it's only 29%.

Posted by
437 posts

Venice, Verona and Tuscany sounds wonderful!

If you get a car after Verona you could drive up to Lake Garda before Tuscany.
Stroll along the lake and ride the gondola at Malcesine.

Cinque Terre is ok but not worth the time on a short trip.

Lake Como is close to Milan if you are flying back from there but I would skip it and go to Florence.

Enjoy the trip!

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"We don't avoid going to the US because of your country's poor English skills - we just accept you can't speak it very well and so we make the best of it."

WHAT?!

English is an obscure dialect of the American language, spoken in all its forms by a mere 64 million (or so) people, whereas there are over 5 times as many people here, and many more worldwide, speaking the pure form (more or less) of the American language.

You might have "invented" it, but we were the people who made it the Lingua franca.

And that doesn't include the billion or more people using American on the Internet.

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19274 posts

Not sure I would go as far as to say that.