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Feedback on possible trip itinerary?

Hello,
I would very much appreciate your feedback on our planned itinerary.
My 22yo son and I will be traveling to Germany for 3 weeks this coming August.

He is looking to practice his german (he has decent fluency right now) and learn more about the country, the history, explore. We are less interested in modern city/nightlife and most interested in culture, history, and older architecture and beautiful sights. This is why we are only picking one large city (Frankfurt). We are also very interested in the Baltic coast area and would like to spend a lot of time there. We are hoping to pick one or two "home bases" on the coast where we can settle for a bit and explore nearby areas (maybe stay 4-5 nights each).
We are used to very long drives (all over France and the US) so that will not be an issue.

So far we have:

Fly into Frankfurt from Boston.
2 nights in Frankfurt
Pick up a rental car
2 nights in Mainz
1 night in Trendelburg to break up the drive to the coast
2 - 4 nights in Bremin (not sure how long would be best?
2 nights in Lubeck?
4-5 nights in Stralsund?
Possibly stay on Ruger island or just visit from Stralsund?
1 night in Magdeburg to break up the drive back to Frankfurt
1-2 nights in Frankfurt before heading back to the US

Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated?

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Mainz is a very short very frequent train from Frankfurt. A car would be wasted.

The Frankfurt airport, in fact, is about a quarter of the way to Mainz from Frankfurt's center. You could easily go straight to Mainz from the airport, essentially as easily as going from the airport to the center, just 4-8 more minutes on the train, about 3-5 direct trains per hour.

Mainz might be a better choice to chill out and get over jet lag. I tend to prefer smaller places for this over large cities.

(Edited out rest of previous response, I thought he was traveling solo 🙂 have fun together)

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When reading your interest in the Baltic coast area I would recommend to take the train from Frankfurt to Lübeck and to rent a car there. The parts of Autobahn from South to North can become busy and stressy to drive - especially during summer.

Maybe you change your flight target from Frankfurt to Hamburg if there is no or only a little higher charge for this?

I share your interest in Baltic coast and like to recommend to skip Mainz and to add 2-3 nights close to Fehmarn which has a nice coastline. Heiligenhafen is now a good place to be with a lot of good hotels; Salzspeicher is a very good restaurant in a very old house. At a nice day you can explore both beach sides of Großenbrode, the surfers in Orth auf Fehmarn, stone lighthouse Flügge and also drive with the ferry Puttgarden - Rødby to Denmark.

Another interesting part of the shore is the area between Kiel and Eckernförde. The cliffs of Stohl offer a very nice ocean view. Lighthouse Bulk is a good viewpoint for ships coming into Kiel canal. In Laboe (other side of Kiel fjord you can visit an old submarine from WWII. Close to Schleswig the viking museum village Haithabu and Gottorf castle are worth a visit. If you want to end up in the very north visit famous Flensburger brewery.

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Markk has a point about starting to move north right away unless you have a special interest in Mainz. Mainz is in the opposite direction of the rest of your trip, albeit not far south.

Maybe you want to use Mainz as a base to visit the castles and wine zones of the middle Rhine/Mosel?

If just to see Mainz, then probably heading north right away is a better call.

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Frankfurt has some lovely, medieval churches (1200-1400s) and one of its' neighborhoods - Höchst, is on the Half-timbered route with about 400 half-timbered houses, a small schloss and one of the oldest churches in Germany. Lots of historic sites, and a number of excellent museums.

When in August? There are any number of festivals happening here and in the surrounding towns.

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Thank you!
We do want to spend 2 days in Mainz to see the Rhine.
Good information about Frankfurt - definitely seems worth the 2 night visit.
Our dates are August 9 - 29

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I've done much of the journey that MarkK suggests. If you want Baltic Coast, do take a look at Lubeck, Kiel, Eckernforde, Schleswig. I would add Molfsee Open Air Museum if you like living history museums. Much of that area on the coast is beach with small resorts. Schleswig has a classical music festival in August. Crowds??? Not sure as I was there in April a few years ago. Driving was easy. We rented a car from Hamburg airport.

I personally would skip Frankfurt. I know it is a big air entry point from the US, but I don't find it as interesting as some other cities. I would move on after a day of jet lag recovery. (I did read the above suggestions for Frankfurt. I will look for Höchst next time. I don't mean to be offensive, Ms Jo probably knows some very good sites that I haven't discovered! )

I am returning to Hamburg this summer. Lots to see and experience. 3 nights last trip, another 4 this time and we aren't repeating anything except the Miniature Wunderland. We are doing a day to trip to Bremen. I haven't yet been there, so can't assess whether Bremen or Hamburg would be better for 2 nights. Lubeck can be a day trip from Hamburg, but I agree with your 2 nights (at least). Charming town.

Just as a comparison, we did this loop with a car: Hamburg, Lubeck, Kiel, Eckernforde, Schleswig, Molfsee, return to Hamburg. Stayed several nights in Hamburg, Lubeck, Eckernforde with drive thrus or day trips to other spots. We did a day trip to Scherwin from Lubeck. You might look at that town - charming. It was East Germany and there isn't as much English spoken or as well-spoken as we encountered in the other areas. Great German language practice - I am still kicking myself for a huge grammatical error I knew not to make, but made anyway when telling a server I'd been over charged. Just the time you want to sound authoritative! I need the extensive practice you are providing your son!

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Thank you for that feedback.

Does anyone have thoughts on our plans for Stralsund? We are now considering staying there for a week (in addition to the 2 days in Lubeck). Is that a good coastal homebase? I can't find much discussion about it but we watched some videos on youtube and did some research and it looks quite nice and well located for exploring Ruger island and the rest of the coast. Would it be a mistake to base ourselves there for a week? We also want to be able to have plenty to do on foot, coffee shops, markets, etc. so we would like to pick a spot we would enjoy being in for a week. Part of the goal of that week would be to take a break from the more intensive travel, get to meet locals, and for my son to speak german. We find spending at least a week in one place is always good for this when traveling.

Thanks again everyone!

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I am a fan of Stralsund. This small town turned into a little pearl combining old and new and also the different historic backgrounds. For Rügen it is a good base - only the bridges can have traffic jams. Personally I would cut it down to 5 nights.

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Thank you for that feedback, Mark! Very helpful. Do you have another coastal town you would recommend for 7 nights?

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Maybe look at staying a bit further down the Rhine than Mainz if you are interested in the middle Rhine. Roughly between Bingen and Koblenz is where the gorge is deep and the castles are many. Bacharach, St. Goar, Oberwesel, or Boppard at right in the thick of it.

Travel times are short from Frankfurt to those places too.

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Events in Frankfurt and the area in August:

Frankfurt Street Food Fest – 4-6.08
Frankfurt Main Fest – 4-7.08
Oberürsel Medieval Fest – 5-6.08
Hanau Wine Fest – 10-13.08
Bernemer Kerb in Frankfurt Bornheim – 11-16.08
Wiesbaden Rheingau Fest – 11-20.08
Frankfurt Applewine Festival – 11-20.08
Bad Homburg Thai Festival – 12-13.08
Rüdesheim Wine Fest – 17-21.08
Michelstadt Alt Stadt Fest – 18-20.08
Frankfurt Museum Riverbank Fest – 25-27.08 (this is a huge cultural event)

it doesn't make any sense to move from Frankfurt to Mainz for 2 nights. Mainz is a 45 min. ride on the S-bahn from Frankfurt.

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I'm a huge Baltic fan as well an I love Stralsund.
I would suggest to use it as hub an explore Rügen and other parts of the coast. Bad Doberan and its fantastic Munster or Warnemünde/Rostock for example.

On the way from Lübeck to Stralsund you could check out Wismar as well.

Bremen and Hamburg are as well great cities.

I think I would skip Frankfurt and Mainz. I would start in Hamburg, train to Bremen and then to Lübeck (spend 2 nights there) and rent a car. As mentioned Wismar, Bad Doberan, Warnemünde/Rostock, Stralsund and Rügen are waiting :-) There would be so much more between Lübeck and Rügen but time is limited.

Maybe just a little inspiration. Not in every vacation I'm taking photos but here you will find my Mecklenburg-West Pomerania collection: https://www.flickr.com/gp/calabrones/79a068h544

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Lübeck is very nice, interesting and a good base to explore the mid Baltic Sea coast of Germany.

Heiligenhafen can be a base to explore the range from Lübeck to Kiel. My favorite here is Hafenhotel Meereszeiten with yacht harbor view. My 81-yr old mother liked the Bretterbude with direct sea view when she moved her business to Berlin. :-)

In the upper part Eckernförde is a nice base to explore the area from Flensburg to Kiel. If you seek for a hideaway Seehotel Töpferhaus is marvelous although not directly located at the coast.

By the way: Heiligenhafen's Graswarder, Orth auf Fehmern, Großenbrode Mole and Niendorf yacht harbor are locations which are sometimes used for film sets for TV productions.

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Hi there,

we stayed on the Rügen island several times for our spring and summer holidays.
I can reconmend the village of Göhren on the island. Its about 50km from Stralsund.

https://info-goehren.de/ (website in German maybe google can translate)

It is a tourist village with hotels B+Bs restaurants and shops. From there the historic steam railway starts to Binz or Putbus
as well a the ship tours along the coastline of Rügen and the white cliffs
The Zicker peninsula for walks and views
Neighbouring village Baabe with a nice beach
Prora -some Nazi architekture
Grannitz castle
There is so much more to see and do on the island of Rügen.Worth a stay

https://www.ruegen-hiddensee.de/

Hiddensee is an smaller island off the coast of Rügen (no cars)
Ferry from Schaprode on Rügen for a day trip.Travel on Hiddensee by bicyle or horse carriage
Best views from the lighthouse to Stralsund and over the sea to danish island and of course Rügen.

Thats it for Rügen.Need more details let me know

As far as the Lübeck region is concerned I can reconmend the lonley little town of Groß Schwansee with the Hotel Schloss Gross Schwansee about 10 km east of Priwall/Travemünde.
Car needed to do exursion to Travemünde and Boltenhagen with beaches and more touristic facilities

https://www.schwansee.de/

These are the places I would spent some days and see the souroundings.

Hope my English was somewhat readable and helpful

Have nice and save trip to Germany

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Based on your interests there have been some good recommendations
--Skipping Frankfurt / Mainz for Hamburg could work, but of course so does going to Frankfurt and Mainz. I, of course, favour Hamburg. The two cities are very different. They have more Ancient / Medieval history, we have more Renaissance and maritime history. Think half-timbered houses and Roman ruins vs. pirates and Vikings and international shipping. Both cities are worth a visit.

--Don't get a car for Mainz. Get it to leave Mainz.

--Not sure how you chose Trendelburg, but the drive from Frankfurt / Mainz to Bremen is probably not going to take you near there. It would, however, take you along the Rhine, a gorgeous drive in and of itself, past Koblenz (take an hour to visit the Deutsches Eck), past Cologne (take two hours to visit the cathedral--seriously, it is WELL worth the visit) and then up the A1 past Münster. If it's just about breaking up the drive, I would actually spend the night in Köln--an easy day from Mainz to Köln, hit the cathedral in the evening, and an easy day from Köln to Bremen. The first day is only about a 3 hour drive along the Rhine (shorter if you go highway, but why?), but of course with lots of gorgeous stops of your choosing or possible side trips. The Lorelei would be a cultural point as well, so it might interest your son. I would also try to hit St. Ursula and its bone crypt in Köln. From Köln to Bremen is about 4 hours by car, and it is absolutely boring (well, you go through Münster, but given your interests it probably isn't worth it).

--If you are planning the A7 route, you should know that this road is equally hateful in the summer. It's a 5 hour drive to Bremen from Frankfurt, but it is not a fun one. Okay, full disclosure, I hate the A7 between Hannover and Kassel with a fiery passion. But if you prefer to go this route, I would only break it up if necessary. Alternatively, a train might be a more interesting way to go. It is only 4 hours from Frankfurt to Bremen by train, so it's faster, you don't have to drive the A7 through Kassel / Göttingen, and you save a day. It's a very local thing to take the ICE. You could also save on the rental car for another day or two, which easily pays for the train tickets.

--2 nights in Bremen. I ADORE this city, but it isn't big or sprawling. You can easily see it in a full day, certainly in 1,5 days.

Now you are in for a treat--the German north in the summer. If you skip the extra travel time and only do two nights in Bremen, you could hit a few local hubs, some smaller, some larger:
Places you may not have considered include:
--Emden / Aurich / Greetsiel (a true hidden gem! Seriously!):
**The East Frisian Tea Ceremony is a UNESCO cultural heritage event

--Glückstadt:
**Northern Germany's Danish past, the 30 Years War, religious diversity, a harbour that looks like Copenhagen's Nyhavn, and a unique street layout make this adorable town worth visiting.

--St. Peter-Ording:
**Wadden Sea UNESCO site can be toured with local guides--in German, absolutely stunning, and a truly local experience

--Helgoland:
**Spend the night, visit the bunker, see the red cliffs, learn about the local language spoken only here, and see the seals on the beach (or even swim with them if they choose to come into the human area).

Okay, for the next part of your itinerary, suggestions include Haithabu, Plön, and Bad Segeberg as places to see from Lübeck, which is amazing.

And I will let Mignon talk about Stralsund, Rügen, and the MeckPomm part of the trip.

For the return to Frankfurt, ditch Magdeburg in favour of Wernigerode. You will not be sorry! If you have time, an extra night in the Harz is worth it. And that route takes you through the Elbtalaue, IMO one of the prettiest places in Germany (Dömnitz area).

If you saw Frankfurt on the way in, one night is all you need--get in, have some dinner, sleep, fly out.

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Wow - thank you all so much for this detailed information. It's very helpful to us. We will take some time to sift through it all.
I appreciate all of your help!

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This sounds like a very good itinerary, especially if your son wishes to practice his German. I was in Germany last year and found that the areas off the tourist track provide the best opportunities for speaking German.

I will say that everywhere I went, the Germans were more than happy to let me practice my German (even in Berlin, which was contrary to my expectations), but places like the Black Forest, the northwest area and the north contained more Germans who do not speak English as well, and it was much easier to speak German there. I even found myself translating a few times for tourists who spoke no German and Germans who spoke no or little English. :)

I'm sure you and your son will have a wonderful trip! Germany is incredible!

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Mardee, thank you for that information. My son will be very happy to know this! We are very much looking forward to our Germany adventure.

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I agree with Mardee - more opportunity to practice German in smaller towns. Staying in very small accommodations also helps. My three favorite places to stay are run by non-English speakers

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There is also a really cool WWII bunker in Kiel that is now a museum. It was in service during WWI and WWII. As someone mentioned above there is a sub you can go to and a giant structure you can go into across the street. We got lost on the way there and didn't have time to go through the big structure.

That night we stayed in Beach Hotel California - it was right on the water, and we didn't want to leave :) que the song. It was fun being on the beach, too cold to swim, but it was fun to photograph the Strandkorb (beach basket chairs)

This is a bit out of your way, but we really like Cuxhaven too. It is where the Elbe River empties into the ocean. There was a voice announcing the ships that were entering and exiting the river, where they were from how much they could carry, we saw a 300 million dollar yacht (yes I looked it up) leave the river, ironically it was not announced.

We did enjoy Bremen and Bremerhaven as well. The emigration museum there was fantastic.

We did Stade (beautiful architecture), Lüneburg (more beautiful architecture - we found a hotel in the Lüneberger Heide on a working farm and they had the cutest sheep/goats plus the farm was from the 1500s), and Lübeck (and more beautiful architecture and marzipan! Plus fun shopping) as well. All of these places mentioned I would totally visit again!

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I think the giant structure that Susan refers to is the Laboe Naval Memorial. It is a truly moving WWII memorial. From the top, there are wonderful views of the surrounding areas. Look for the elevator! I didn't see that was one and climbed the stairs. I don't recommend that route! It's a pretty area with easy parking and down the road, a restaurant we enjoyed.

Totally agree with on the marzipan in Lubeck, also. I can't believe I forgot to mention it earlier!