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Deutsche Bahn expects strikes before Christmas

Travelers willing to visit Germany in December need to know that strikes are possible affecting train connections of Deutsche Bahn.

"It was only in August that Deutsche Bahn reached an agreement with the EVG union following mediation. Now it is facing industrial action for the second time this year - now with the train drivers' union GDL."

Source: https://www.rbb24.de/wirtschaft/beitrag/2023/10/deutsche-bahn-neue-tarifrunde-gdl-lokfuehrer-streiks-drohen-vor-weihnachten.html

Alternatives are
- smaller German train transport companies such as FlixTrain
- bus connections such as FlixBus
- train operators from other countries offering connections leading through Germany.

Gute Reise.

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Thanks for the article. It took me a while to translate and see if it affects my travel. I am using trains in the beginning of December, so I guess I’ll need to be more aware.

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  • train operators from other countries offering connections leading through Germany.

There are actually no long distance trains running through Germany operated by foreign companies.

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... nor are the handful of Flixtrains a viable alternative to DB Fernverkehr, not to mention that Flixtrain are the first to stop operations as soon as any problems appear on the horizon. Lets wait and see if the strike really does happen - the GDL boss likes to play high poker, but he is first and foremost a railroader and not an apparatchkik.

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Several connections of Deutsche Bahn to / from neighboring countries are operated by both national providers (also their trains and staff), e. g. Prague - Hamburg.

Are there other alternatives to use public transport when train drivers of Deutsche Bahn are striking?

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... nor are the handful of Flixtrains a viable alternative to DB Fernverkehr

Not what I was saying but on some connections it can help.
In Germny we have over 500 officially listed licensed public railroad operators in Germany. Competitors of Deutsche Bahn have a cumulated 34% market share. So, there are some alternatives out there.

Are there other alternatives to use public transport when train drivers of Deutsche Bahn are striking?

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Since I don't read German, as I assume there are others on this board, what are the dates of a possible strike?

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Using Google translate this is the article (no specific dates yet announced)

It was only in August that Deutsche Bahn reached an agreement with the EVG trade union after arbitration. Now, for the second time this year, it is facing industrial action - this time with the train drivers' union GDL. By Johannes Frewel

Rail customers must prepare for possible strikes before Christmas
After the EVG trade union, Deutsche Bahn is now in a wage dispute with the GDL
This demands 555 euros more per month salary for train drivers plus fewer working hours
Deutsche Bahn is heading for the next wage dispute. Since February, it has been arguing hard with the Railway and Transport Union (EVG), which has a large number of members, over a collective bargaining agreement. Twice, the EVG paralyzed rail traffic for hours during warning strikes.

After a two-week conciliation, the industrial dispute was not pacified until August. In two stages, around 180,000 railway employees will receive 410 euros more money per month - 200 euros more from 1 December and 1 euros more from 2024 August 210. In addition, there are surcharges in the collective bargaining table for some of the employees. From the point of view of the state-owned railway company, this was the most expensive wage increase in its history.

At least so far, because the collective bargaining agreement with the train drivers expires on Tuesday. The aim of the train drivers' union GDL is to improve the working conditions of its members, who mainly work in jobs on and around the train. Instead of 410 euros, the GDL is demanding 555 euros more money per month. Two years ago, it was only able to achieve a 3.3 percent wage increase. Significantly higher inflation swallowed up the increase and led to a loss of purchasing power.

However, the train drivers' demands for reductions in working hours could be particularly expensive for the railways. Instead of 38, GDL members want to work 35 hours. For example, employees working in shifts could also be given the option of a four-day week.

"For us, the improvement in the working time system is the only right step to counter the shortage of skilled workers in the railway system," said GDL boss Claus Weselsky, explaining the collective bargaining demand. According to him, it is clear that this is where things will be particularly problematic at the negotiating table: "We will certainly have nice and heated discussions with the employers' side."

Martin Seiler, Deutsche Bahn's Chief Human Resources Officer, has already calculated how expensive the GDL demands could be for the railways. "The initial situation is extremely difficult," he said, summing up the union's list of demands: "If we were to meet the demands of the GDL, our personnel costs would rise by more than 50 percent," he said. This is "not feasible and achievable" for the railway employer.

Deutsche Bahn would have to hire an additional 10,000 people
According to the employer's calculations, the four-day week would mean that Deutsche Bahn would have to hire around 10,000 additional people in shifts. This would not only cause considerable costs and further depress the railway's finances. Nor do these additional professionals exist on the labour market.

Deutsche Bahn failed with its proposal to have the collective bargaining round moderated by arbitrators from the outset. The GDL rejected this, pointing out that the collective bargaining round would simply have had to be started in good time before the end of the peace obligation, which did not hap

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In Germny we have over 500 officially listed licensed public railroad operators in Germany. Competitors of Deutsche Bahn have a cumulated 34% market share. So, there are some alternatives out there.

Yes, that's true, but many of their drivers are also GDL members, and it's not impossible that they start short "solidarity strikes" for their DB colleagues, of course below the legal threshold but with maximum effect. Moreover, in the event of a strike, DB locomotive drivers are quite adept at stalling trains at neuralgic points ("something is broken, we are sorry") so that no other train can get past them, as I had the pleasure to discover a few times during past strikes.

Are there other alternatives to use public transport when train drivers of Deutsche Bahn are striking?

Well, unfortunately, no (with the exception of Blabla car and the like). Flixbus, with its one-sided fixation on cheap prices, has so far prevented the emergence of a high-quality long-distance bus service, such as we know from the UK or Turkey. DB operated a supplementary service for a few years where the trains were too slow, e.g. Nuremberg-Prague, but they have withdrawn from this business altogether.

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Isn31c

Thank you so much for the translation. Perhaps actual dates of the strikes will be published later. I am going to some of the Christmas markets in Germany.

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And depending on where you are going, flying might be an option.

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So, does this mean we should hold off on buying train tickets? Are they refunded if the trains strike?

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So, does this mean we should hold off on buying train tickets?

No, keep on planning and buying.

Are they refunded if the trains strike?

Yes.

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Very likely also regional trains will be affected as well.
Reason:

The German Train Drivers' Union (GDL) is the oldest professional union in Germany. With just under 40,000 members, it organizes three-quarters of the locomotive drivers and 40 percent of the train attendants and on-board caterers in Germany. Since 2020, it has assumed responsibility for other occupational groups in the rail system (source).

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Thank you MarkK for the information. Could this be impacting the timetable? I am trying to buy a ticket for December 22 and I am unable to do so. My understanding was that the timetable is typically updated in October, but I still cannot buy tickets for later in the month. Early December seems to work fine. I will be traveling from Berlin to Poland. Thank you!

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In the event of a GDL strike, how might ÖBB trains be affected, for example a Railjet from Salzburg or Vienna to Munich, with Munich as the final destination? Thank you.

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Could this be impacting the timetable?

Not regarding bookability of train connections. Especially because it is not sure that strikes will happen - "only" very likely.

If you have issues booking at Deutsche Bahn directly you can also try to book via Omio or Trainline.

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In the event of a GDL strike, how might ÖBB trains be affected

If "only" the train staff of Deutsche Bahn is striking (not the network operating staff) there is maybe no effect to trains operated by ÖBB - just other departure or arrival platforms when striked trains are parked there.

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Thanks for your reply, MarkK!

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According to an announcement made today by the head of the train drivers' union, the likelihood of a strike before Christmas has risen sharply, and past experience has shown that this must be taken seriously.

So, whoever is affected by this should plan accordingly, and soon, because the Flixbuses will be booked out quickly and the same goes for domestic flights. I wouldn't put any hope in the ÖBB alternative mentioned above, because north of Nuremberg (for trains from Austria) and north of Basel (for those from Switzerland) ÖBB trains are driven by DB staff. I would therefore expect ÖBB to cancel these trains on strike days rather than throwing passengers off the train at three o'clock in the morning.

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... and a portrait of GDL boss Weselsky that makes it clear why the strike threat must be taken seriously (in German, use Google translator or, preferably, DeepL)

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Have any potential strike dates been announced? Does the union have to give notice of a strike by a certain deadline? Just hoping to get a little better idea for potential back-up plans.

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Normally strikes are anounced 24-72 hours before.

As long as the parties are negotiating there will be no strike. If negotiations aborted or a final offer is not accepeted; people can expect a soon strike.

And I place a bet that there will be minimum one strike because GDL lead quits next year - so it is his final "war" that he wants to be remembered for; whatever it takes.

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Yes, I'm afraid that's what will happen. And Weselsky will probably resort to warning strikes first, because these are exempt from the six-day notice period. This is particularly frustrating for travelers because it takes away any planning safety.

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Thank you to everyone posting articles. I may have missed this: would the S-bahn be affected in cities like Munich? Munich would be my metropolis of choice for a quick winter get-away, but more and more, I am thinking I would be better off choosing Salzburg or Innsbruck.

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I may have missed this: would the S-bahn be affected in cities like Munich?

Insofar as the respective S-Bahn is operated by DB (true for Munich): sadly, yes.

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Even without strikes Deutsche Bahn long distance trains have serious problems currently. Today they announced the bad punctuality status of October (see tab "DB Fernwerkehr) and additionally they declared to fail the 2023 annual target of 66% average punctuality.

Reminder: A train is considered punctual if it is less than six minutes late. Canceled trains are not included in the statistics. Missed connections are also not included.

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So interesting. Thanks sla019 and MarkK. I moved to the outskirts of Philly in the 70s after living in Munich as a student - I am a fan of train travel and commuter trains. At least we have some train infrastructure in the Philly/NJ/NY area, but, sadly, many of the former lines have disappeared.

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Workers' union GDL just announced a warning strike from tomorrow 10 pm until Thu 6 pm.
So just an appetizer for what will come soon?

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Does the strike impact Regional Trains?

What about cross border trains, for example Prague - Berlin?

Local trains: U-bahn?

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U-Bahn unlikely.

All other train connections shall be checked by travellers, also regional trains and S-Bahn.

Cross-border trains are likely not affected if operated by non-German operator, e. g. ÖBB - as long as network operating staff in Germany is working.

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Cross-border trains are likely not affected if operated by non-German operator, e. g. ÖBB - as long as network operating staff in Germany is working.

That depends on the route. ÖBB trains are driven by ÖBB staff only until certain points: Nuremberg on the Vienna-Frankfurt route, Salzburg on all trains from Vienna via Munich, Garmisch (on the Innsbruck-Garmisch-Munich route); beyond these points, the trains are driven by DB staff. In addition, the majority of trains from Zurich (more exactly: St Margreten) to Munich are operated by ÖBB staff. This means that only ÖBB trains south of Nuremberg (ICE to Vienna and vv) have a chance of running during the strike, as well as some of the Munich-Zurich ECs.

Check your connection on bahn.com or oebb.at, resp.

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Do you think there is any chance of the Bahn running SEV service to replace any cancelled trains?

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I checked my DB app earlier today and found notification of this week's strike. That will be...helpful?...for planning.

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Do you think there is any chance of the Bahn running SEV service to replace any cancelled trains?

No. DB has completely given up the long-distance bus business and there is not enough free capacity on the free market to set up a replacement service.
What they will try to do, however, is to maintain just under 20% of the long-distance train capacity, which will then be driven by members of the competing union EVU and by older train drivers who still have civil servant status and therefore are not allowed to strike. Plain and simple: if you don't have to travel by train tonight and tomorrow, you'd better not.

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Strike announced this morning for German Railways: "The GDL (Gewerkschaft Deutscher Lokomotivführer) has announced that it will strike from Wednesday, 15.11.2023 22:00 to 16.11.2023 18:00 inclusive.
We expect massive disruptions to S-Bahn services from tonight up to and including Thursday, 16.11.2023 closing time"

Wondering about alternatives S-Bahn from Munich Airport. Flying in during strike period. Looking at LH Shuttle now.

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First off all: check whether one of he two S-Bahn lines is running. They may not block both at the same time. The LH express will fill up rapidly. If you can't get a seat, check at the DB Navigator for ALX trains from Freising into Munich, which will not be affected by the strike. To reach Freising station, take bus #635 from MUC. Alternatively, take a taxi to nearby (ca. 8 miles) Garching Forschungszentrum, the terminus of the U6. Last resort: share a cab into the city with two other travelers (approx €35 pp).

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Both S1 & S8 trains running from airport to Munich Hauptbahnhof every 20 min. Beyond that not sure, but update screen shows end of line at main station.

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The S1 is currently NOT running, but the S8 is, most trains terminating in München Pasing.

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GDL just declared negotiations with Deutsche Bahn as failed and announced next strike without a certain date.

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No (with very few exceptions). In general, Flix trains are also be affected by any strike because not only train drivers but also train dispatchers who are members of the GDL were (and will be) on strike. And it only takes a few of them to untermine any train traffic. Flix busses, however, will be running.

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Next strike round announced by GDL from Thu 10 p.m. to Fri 10 p.m for passenger rail transport.
So, Friday (Dec 8 2023) only very few train connections will operate.

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Outlook: Good news for travelers until January 7 2024
"The head of the train drivers' union GDL, Claus Weselsky, wants to give passengers a longer break into the new year after the nationwide warning strike from Thursday evening to Friday evening. "We will now carry out this strike action on Thursday and Friday, and it will be the last one for this year," Weselsky told MDR-aktuell. "Then comes the ballot and the count on December 19. And there will be no more industrial action, not even in the first week of January." No further warning strikes are therefore to be feared until January 7." (source).

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Is it possible, and if so, how, to get a refund for a cancelled train, as a result of the strike.

I am not interested in a credit voucher, but a refund to my credit card.

Thanks

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It is, cf this DB site.

If you used your customer account to buy your ticket digitally, you can submit your claim using the online form in your account. This option is available on bahn.de and in the DB Navigator app.
Select the trip for which you would like to submit the compensation claim. In the detailed view of the order for your trip, go to "Passenger rights", click on "Applying for compensation", and follow the further steps. If you did not travel, please select the second option "Did not take journey" for the question "What happened during your journey?".
Please note that the application button will only appear when the validity period of the trip has been reached. It is therefore not possible to submit the application before the date of travel.

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thank you MarkK and sla019 for the continuing updates on the strikes. It has been extremely helpful. This latest news about no more strikes until after Jan 7 is very good news for my trip that starts on the 15th, but I am sorry for everyone who was affected.

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I want to second Nelly's thanks for the updates. You have been very helpful and many of us appreciate it.

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Sla019

The only type of refund available using either the DB app, where I purchased the ticket with a credit card, or logging onto the website, is either a voucher or bank transfer.

There is not an option to have a credit to the card that purchased the ticket.

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check at the DB Navigator for ALX trains from Freising into Munich,
which will not be affected by the strike. To reach Freising station,
take bus #635 from MUC. Alternatively, take a taxi to nearby (ca. 8
miles) Garching Forschungszentrum, the terminus of the U6.

The 6:25 bus is on an every 20 minute frequency. Hopefully you'll be the only one who knows about getting in from Freising, and the bus won't be too crowded.

The ALX trains pass through the Freising Bahnhof at 51 minutes past every even hour (8:51, 10:51, etc ex. the "6:51" train is a few minutes earlier). That's the fastest way (~½ hr) to get to the Hbf. There is also an Express Bus (X660) from Freising to Garching-Forsch., then U-Bahns (2) from there. With all the stops and connection times it will take over an hour. If the AXL train are running, that's the best way.

The absolute last choice, if you can't get to Freising or find a free taxi, would be to take a 512 bus from the airport to Erding then bus to Garching-Forsch. with a change of buses in Ismaning, but that way takes hours and would only be a last resort.

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The GDL union decided today to go on (possibly indefinite) strike after January 7. It is to be feared that it will last longer because the union boss wants to achieve a better result by hook or by crook than the rival union EVG. The exact date has not yet been set, but if you want to travel by train in Germany after January 7, stay tuned.

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Hi All,

I plan on traveling Jan 13th from Munich to Salzburg. Not sure if I should just book a flixbus to salzburg (a bit annoying as it arrives to salzburg south - about 20 minutes from downtown salzburg) or if I should just wait out to see when they announce the strike and hope that my train travel will be ok.