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Brenner Pass scenic train

Help needed ....
In July, my husband and I will be traveling from Munich to Verona in ... then onto Florence.... the same day. We want to take the Brenner Pass scenic train with the waiter service restaurant car. .. How do I know which train that is? When I look up trains it doesn't state if it's the one with the fancy waiter service. This will be our 1st time in Germany and we want to relax and watch the beautiful scenery ... We'll be taking the train on multiple trips to other places, but this one we really would like the waiter service. Any ideas on how I get that????

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I don't know of a particular "scenic" train from Munich to Verona over Brenner Pass, but there are Eurocity trains (EC) between Munich and Verona every two hours starting at 7:38, and they all have a "Bordrestaurant".

Posted by
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I saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uucEm3op7uc and read the following from this website http://www.seat61.com

"Every couple of hours, a German/Austrian-run EuroCity train runs from Munich to Verona via the scenic Brenner Pass, see the Brenner Pass scenery video here. All these trains have an elegant waiter-service restaurant car, so treat yourself to lunch or dinner as the mountains roll by! "

So all the trains have this service?

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16895 posts

When you view train schedules at http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en and you get an overview of several schedules, then click for the details of each one and you should see Bordrestaurant listed under Further Information. If you take the 9:38 departure, it goes through the pass about noon (as you can see by clicking Intermediate Stops).

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19284 posts

I went over Brenner Pass in 2009. It was pretty, but for a kid from Colorado, who's used to 10,000 to 12,000 ft passes with shear drop-offs, it was kind of underwhelming. The railroad follows the bottom of the valley, through villages until the end of the valley at Brennero, the pass. Not that it isn't scenic, just that it hardly seemed like a "pass" to me.

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schoe,

I've travelled that route many times, and even though I also have spectacular scenery at home I always enjoy the trip through the Brenner Pass. Based on the Seat 61 link you provided, I think it would be more accurate to describe the train as a "regularly scheduled train that travels a scenic route", rather than a "scenic train" like the Bernina Express.

AFAIK, all the direct EC trains from Munich to Verona will provide the experience shown in the video. As Laura mentioned, check the "Details" on the Bahn.de website and you'll see that all of those trains offer the Bordrestaurant. I don't often get to the restaurant car, so I can't confirm that they offer waiter service (but I vaguely recall that they do).

One other point to mention is that the train will stop for about 15 minutes at Brennero, which is right on the border. I believe they have to change engines at that point.

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1722 posts

The Brenner pass is the lowest of Alpine passes over the watershed line, this is why it is so important to communications. Scenery is nice but nothing to die for; one of the most scenic stretches - shortly before the pass on the Italian side trains climbed on a side of a small valley, turning 180 degrees at its end and resuming the climb on the opposite side - was cut away about ten years ago as subject to too many landslides and avalanches and substituted with a climb in a long gallery.
IMHO the most scenic point is the Sabiona abbey, on a high rock on the left of the line near Chiusa. The abbey is on the top of the rock; at the beginning of 19th century it was attacked by Napoleon troops and the poor Benedictine nuns there threw themselves down the cliff in order not to be raped by French soldiers (abbey better seen from the highway that is higher in elevation then the railway).
Now most international trains have multi system engines and do not necessarily need a change of engine at the border. The driver has to be changed, in any case.

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lachera,

I wasn't absolutely sure the stop at Brennero was an engine change, but it sure sounded like it. I've lived around trains most of my life, so know the different sounds of rail operations.

I was through there again last September on the way to Austria, and the train stopped in Brennero as usual.

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if they do change engines at Brennero. When I went over the pass in 2012, I took a regional train up to Brennero from Innsburck, then had to change trains to an Italian one to get from Brennero to Fortezza. There weren't even through tracks. The train from Innsbruck came into Brennero on a stub track, and I changed to the Italian train that was also on a stub track. There are through tracks, but the trains that come through that station are limited to the 6 daily, international ECs, a CNL night train, and two regional express trains, one each way late at night and one each way in the early morning. They clearly differentiate between Austrian and Italian trains.

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Historically trains have always changed engines at borders, different railway companies, different crews, different languages and different electrification voltages. And the train stopped for up to 30 minutes anyway for passport and immigration.
That is history. Local trains you may still have to change because of languages and voltages (hence two tracks, one electrified at Italian voltage, one at Austrian voltage), but modern long distance trains are multi-voltage, have multi-lingual crews and the EU and Schengen have abolished border checks. The only reason you know you have crossed a border is the language of the on-train announcements change.