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Two weeks in November - seeking itinerary help

Hi all,

New member here, long-time lurker. We're a couple in our mid-40s who just booked an "emergency" vacation to France with a goal to see things outside of Paris for the first time (as well as catch up with friends there). We're into food, wine, arts and hope to be active enough on the trip that we won't pay for it in too many kilos.

We know the weather won't be amazing, but if we can direct ourselves to places to get lucky that would be great. Ideally outside of the cities we'll get to spend some time walking outdoors in autumn.

The plan:
- Paris: 11/3-11/7 - get on the time zone, see friends, art and eat some great food; likely to stay at an IHG hotel of sorts here
- Loire / Tours / Amboise: 11/7-11/9 - via TGV, rent a car, see some chateaus and drink some wine
- Lyon: 11/9-11/12 - not sure if we should drive or train here from Loire; hoping to stay at the Intercontinental here
- Rhone Valley/Vaison la Romaine: 11/12-11/14 - seems like a great stop for vineyards but not sure if we should keep it
- Provence: 11/14-11/16 - we're not sure where to base ourselves
- Return home :( - TGV from Avignon to CDG

Questions:
1. Where should we base in Provence? Arles? Aix? St Remy? Nimes?
2. Should we cut out the stop in Vaison la Romaine for additional
nights in Lyon and Provence just to have less stops? We like the
idea of the Rhone a lot, but not sure if we could do it as day trips
from Lyon or Provence instead?
3. Do we need a car in Lyon?
4. Any other thoughts or suggestions?

We're still working on hotel plans, dinner reservations, etc. Mostly trying to use points where we can with equivalent budget around 250 euros/night (give or take). Your tips and constructive criticism to help us make the most of this time are more than welcome.

Posted by
2670 posts

Even if it were summer, I would not attempt this much traveling in under two weeks. In November, it will be dark at 17h00, windy, often rainy, and overall very cold. This is really the time to be in the cities, not exploring the countryside.

Upon CDG arrival (I assume CDG), I would continue to Tours by train and rent a car for a few days visiting châteaux and troglodytes, maybe a few vineyards. I would next drive to Provence, staying in Avignon as a hub. From there you can explore Provence but daylight will be very limited. In summer, you could easily spend a week or more in Provence. In winter, the cold and darkness can really limit the enthusiasm.

Maybe you could include Lyon on your way north but I would end in Paris, spending 4 full days, 5 nights and being in position for you flight home.

Posted by
2 posts

Thanks! Makes sense on the weather warning. Even if we'd like to hope for the best. We've been to Paris several times so wanted to get outside. Know the time isn't quite right. That said our flights were free and we wanted to go here versus some sunnier parts of the world. We could always just fly to some other country from France (our flights in/out were free so that was part of our criteria).

We planned to start in Paris to meet a family friend who's only available on that part of the trip although can see about reversing for better weather if they're not able to join after all. That would be a priority for us versus going in the other order even if that makes more weather sense.

How about Nimes as a 2-night base in the south with the museum as a plan for a rainy day?

I'd guess that you'd recommend to cut out the Vaison la Romaine stop as well?

Posted by
789 posts

Welcome to the forum!

I know weather can be hard to predict, but I have been to Paris twice in November for a total of 10 days, and it only rained one time - and that was overnight! I love walking in Paris in the cool crisp autumn air.

I like the idea of landing at CDG and then taking a train straight to the Loire Valley (unless this is the only time you can meet up with your friends in Paris). Either Tours or Amboise would be a good home base. I've been to Amboise (loved it) but have yet to go to Tours.

From the Loire, you could either train/car to Lyon. I think I would skip Vaison la Romaine - it's probably lovely, but I would allocate those days somewhere else. In Lyon, you won't need a car so you could drop it off upon arrival (assuming you still have it).

After touring Lyon, you could then take the train to Arles, Nimes or Avignon. I stayed in Arles and loved the medieval lanes and maginficent amphitheatre. Nimes and Avignon are easy day trips from Arles- only a 20 minute train ride.

From Provence, you can take the train back to Paris.

This sounds like a wonderful trip - enjoy!

Posted by
328 posts

That's too much moving around for my taste. I stayed in Avignon for a week in the second half of November (including Beaujolais Day--free wine at the corner store!) and did a day trip to Arles. Most on here seem to prefer it the other way around. We had very mixed weather but were "Sur le Pont d'Avignon" in sunshine with just light jackets. In addition to Beaujolais Day, there was a food festival going on. Delicious aligout was eaten. Great market there. Lots to see and do. We stayed outside the walls but still walked everywhere.