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TVG night train travel info needed

Hi fellow travelers,

My husband & I are spending 2 nites in Annecy then heading to Chamonix for 1 night before going to Paris for 3 nites. I don't want to spend a whole day on the train traveling from Chamonix to Paris so that only gives me 2 choices. I can go back to Annecy for the night and catch an early train to Paris. Or there is a night train with couchette. It leaves Chamonix around 7:15pm, transfers around 8pm, arriving in Paris at 6:20am. Never taking a night train before, I don't know if this is the wiser way to go...but I am leaning towards taking it. It sure would save us a ton of money since the train is only about $45.00. Saving the alternate of taking train, staying in hotel, and then taking another train....besides getting into Paris nice and early and having the whole day; instead of arriving in Paris with half the day gone.

But the only info I can get on this kind of train is that 2nd class holds 6 compartments together and 1st class holds 4 compartments meaning we would be sleeping with strangers. There is a door that is locked from the inside but I know nothing else. Where do we put our luggage, where do we change clothes and how? Are you expected to sleep in your clothes since the train arrives at 6:20am and you certainly aren't getting dressed then? Bathrooms, I would imagine are not in the compartment...do you need to walk to somewhere else on the train to use them? And one last question, the last part of the train ride has a time of 8:40pm to 6:20am. Why does that ride take 9 1/2 hours when the ride is only about 4 hours away. I don't know if I'm going to regret this. If anyone has ever taken France's night trains, please help me with this. My itinerary is set so please do not make any changes to the days or locations. Thank you!

Posted by
8889 posts

First, a bit of terminology. A TGV (=Train à Grande Vitesse) is the French term for a High Speed Train. These are not the same as overnight trains.
Overnight trains usually have seats and / or couchettes and / or private sleeping compartments. The price you quote is almost certainly for a seat only, which means you sleep in a seat, like on a plane. The other options cost more.

Next, I suggest you look at this web page: http://seat61.com/lunea.htm
Then look at the rest of the website, which is the best information source on trains in Europe there is.

What you describe as "6 compartments together" sounds like a "couchette", which is 6 sleeping berths in one compartment. Unless there are 6 of you in a group, you will share with strangers of the same sex. You are given blankets, but would normally keep you clothes on, at least your underwear. You keep your luggage with you (as on all trains, day or night).
There are never bathrooms on trains, but there is a toilet and washroom at the end of each carriage which you can use to wash your teeth or freshen up in the morning.

Posted by
400 posts

Hi Chris, Thank you for the info. The $45 charge was for 6 berth/2nd class but did say it included a couchette. The 4 berth or 1st class was slightly more. Would definitely go with the 1st class if I can get my husband to share with another couple and not have a bath immediately available. My question about leaving clothes on was meaning sleeping in your street clothes and not pjs. Is this what I should assume? Also, if not a speed train, then I can assume that this train is making numerous stops along the way which is why it takes 9 1/2 hrs...right? Probably not a nice quiet train ride is it?

Posted by
400 posts

Wow Chris, just checked out the website you sent me. What a great & informative website. Answers so many of my questions. Now to sell it to my husband. Thank you so much!!

Posted by
8889 posts

Linda,
If you are sharing, you would normally sleep in your street clothes, less shoes, coats etc. basically Just T-shirt or whatever you are comfortable with strangers in.
The train probably does not make any stops in the middle of the night (perhaps crew changes), but you can look up the stops on whatever timetable website you are using. It will make a few pick-up stops, then overnight to Paris and a few drop-off stops at breakfast time.
The reason it is slower is a TGV cruises at 300+ Km/Hr (180 Mph+). A night train goes by the historic route, mixed in with freight trains, and probably reaches 100-160 Kph (60-100 Mph).

Some people can sleep on moving trains, some can't. Just as some people can sleep on planes and some can't. You won't find out which you are until you try. If you look on this website, you will find stringent opinions for and against overnight trains, depending on which category people are in.

Posted by
5294 posts

Linda,

I've not taken a night train since my childhood but I doubt I'd consider taking one especially if there were other options available.

You may want to read about other travelers experience riding in a night train on a recent post here on the France forum; "Night Train from Paris to Venice"

Have you considered switching your itinerary so you can visit Chamonix before Annecy?

We will also be visiting Annecy & Chamonix in late May & switched our route for this very reason.

I'd much rather sleep on a real bed in a hotel, than to take the risk of not being able to sleep in a night train. Lack of sleep would definitely ruin the next day for me!

Posted by
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There are a small number of TGV trains that run at night-time, but they have only ordinary seating accomodation and no beds. They are particularly common between Paris and ski resorts in high season, where the expectation is that most of the passengers will be wanting to start their nightlife early rather than sleep.

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400 posts

Hi Priscilla,

We will be coming from Beaune to Annecy. To go from Beaune to Chamonix still puts me on the train for about 7 hrs...something I'm not interested in doing. Most time I allow on the train during the day is 4 hrs.
I can go with missing sleep and probably won't be able to sleep on the train. But my husband who can't go without sleep, can sleep almost anywhere. He always sleeps on a plane while I don't. But still can do just fine with jet lag despite. He's going to have more of a problem of no toilet readily available. I still have time before my train tickets come up for sale (early June travel). I'll have to give it some thought of price savings versus comfort. I do like adventure though, and since have never traveled by train, thought way not. We'll see 🤔 Thank you for your advise!

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5294 posts

Linda,
That's a tough dilemma...

I'd probably visit Chamonix as a day trip.
I know it's a long (2.5 hours) train ride each way, but there may be other options, such as ridesharing... Check here:http://www.rome2rio.com

Another option... you could rent a car for one day & drive to Chamonix & back to Annecy.

Posted by
7175 posts

I would just make an early start to get you in Paris by 1pm.

1) TER18902 Dep 07:14 CHAMONIX MONT BLANC (France) Arr 07:57 ST GERVAIS LES BAINS LE FAYET (France)

2) TER84654 Dep 08:04 ST GERVAIS LES BAINS LE FAYET (France) Arr 09:50 BELLEGARDE (France)

3) TGV 9768 Dep 10:10 BELLEGARDE (France) Arr 12:49 PARIS GARE DE LYON (France)

Posted by
32353 posts

Linda,

I suspect that taking a night train from Chamonix to Paris is going to be a dreadful ordeal, and probably one you won't want to repeat. You might consider this method instead.....

  • Travel from Chamonix to Geneva via one of the local Shuttles (about 1.5 hours)
  • Travel from Geneva to Paris Gare de Lyon via high speed TGV (about 3H:07M, direct)

Depending on what time you leave Chamonix, you could be in Paris in time for a late lunch after checking into your hotel.

Posted by
5294 posts

Linda,
I think Ken has given you an excellent option!
My, oh my... Why didn't I think of that!?

Ken has been very helpful to me on planning this part of our trip. We will actually be taking a shuttle from Geneva's airport to Chamonix.

Forget the night train, you deserve a good nights sleep too! ;-)

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400 posts

Hi Ken,

Am considering your suggestion but have a few questions about it. Can I purchase the train ticket from Geneva to Paris on Captaintrain website along when I purchase my other France tickets? When I put in Geneva to Paris, it gives me 2 choices but neither lets me know it's the Geneva in Switzerland. Do you know what the Station exactly is called? Then also, can you give me some info on the shuttle that goes from Chamonix to Geneva? Thank you so much for your help with this matter!

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33852 posts

Geneve Cornavin is the actual name, often called just Geneve (in French) or Geneva. All small subsidiary Geneva stations will have Geneve-xxx where xxx is the name of the suburb. There is another main Geneva station which serves the local French commuter line.

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4684 posts

The SNCF station at Geneve-Eaux-Vives is currently closed as they're building a new tunnel under the city to link it to the Swiss rail network, with all services replaced by buses. Cornavin is the one you want.

Posted by
8889 posts

Linda, the two stations you see (I'm guessing here) may be Genève-Aéroport and Genève-Cornavin.
As Nigel says Genève-Cornavin is the main station in the city centre, Genève-Aéroport is the airport (but, you knew Aéroport was French for airport, didn't you?)
The other clue is that to get from Genève-Aéroport to Paris you have to change at Genève-Cornavin.
If this is not the case, post the two names it is giving you and we will tell you. Big cities the size of Geneva sometimes have more than one long distance station, as well as suburban stations called Genève-xxxx.

Yes, you can purchase Geneva to Paris on Capitainetrain. You will get a print-at-home ticket (PDF file) which you must print out out and bring with you. If you want to see all the trains on this route in a timetable click here (page 2).