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safety in Paris-UPDATE-thanks for the tips and words of comfort! can't wait for the trip!

I think most people feel Paris is fairly safe right now but I'm traveling this summer with my family of 2 kids and mother in law, sister in law and husband. My parents and mother in law are still quite frightened and want me to cancel or post-pone the trip in light of the recent Egyptair plane situation. Any tips on where to look for the most up to date travel warnings and terrorism alerts? Any places n Paris considered safer? At this point we are still planning on going but I want to be as safe as possible while there.

-UPDATE-thanks for the tips and words of comfort! can't wait for the trip!

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At this point, flooding, transportation strikes and pickpockets are probably more of a concern in Paris than terrorist attacks. While there are general warnings to be vigilant for travel anywhere in Europe, I don't believe any specific warnings have been issued for Paris. You might find it helpful to have a look at the "Safety & Security" section of this website.....

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/france.html

And this....

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/europe-travel-alert.html

I wouldn't have any hesitation in visiting Paris at the present time.

Posted by
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Kaeleku provides wise advice. People are so afraid of shark attacks yet few are aware that more people are killed by hippos. The crossfire in the US should be more worrisome.

Posted by
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Stop listening to FOX NEWS.

As far as travel warnings look at the State Department website.

Terrorism has been part and parcel of this world since forever.

Old enough to remember Munich Olympics? Lockerbe? IRA Bombings? The assassination of Israeli Prime Minister and Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin? The massacre of 77 students in Norway?

Most of Europe looks at the US and asks "why so much Gun violence in the United States resulting in thousands of deaths and injuries annually."

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As for Egyptair, yesterday on the French news it was reported that the plane had had problems two times on May 19th but the pilots hadn't reported/detected any problem. What they showed on the news was smoke in the underside. Is this accurate, or is it unverified jounalism?

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good and pertinent historical examples, Claudia and plus the Milan and Vienna airport attacks. I remember them all since you listed them.

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I understand that often the fear is irrational, and I know that Egypt air is likely due to plane malfunction, I guess all of that aside are there other areas of Paris that are safer for families to stay in?

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Anywhere on the west side of Paris is middle, upper-middle, and wealthy. You may feel safer in these areas: 6th, 7th, 8th, 15th, 16th, and 17th arondisements (districts).

Kaeleku: I saw it on France 2 but both France 2 and France 3 are government stations using the same sources, indeed not tabloids, but they do have a point of view.

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I am always surprised that old people are so frightened and timid. As an old myself, I feel the opposite. I will be dead soon, I want to grab as much in the way of interesting travel experience while I am still relatively fit and able to do it; the day that stops being possible is unknown and could be any moment. If my plane crashes -- well I am past 70; I have had my share and I can think of a dozen more awful ways to shuffle on. When it is American old people it is even more ludicrous since we live in a country where getting shot by some rando is a lot more likely -- in church, in school, in the shopping mall, at the theater -- than dying in a terrorist attack in Paris or anywhere else. When did we become the land of the frightened?

Re safe areas of Paris -- there really are not unsafe areas in Paris itself; crime is rarely violent, people don't carry guns, most crime is petty theft easily avoided by not being a walking buffet for pickpockets. What is often meant by safe is 'upscale' and 'white' -- in which case the list of arrondissements given is helpful. We have stayed in about half the arrondissements including the 19th and 20th and have never felt 'unsafe.' We have shopped in heavily ethnic areas of the 18th and never felt unsafe.

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In the remote possibility that there is another major terrorist attack in central Paris, the "safe" upscale areas are fairly likely targets, because they want to kill people whose deaths will hit the headlines.

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I just returned earlier this week from a 3 week trip in the UK and Europe, including 6 days in Paris. I never once felt unsafe or even uneasy in any way at all. We weren't even inconvenienced by the rail strikes. What did surprise me was the prominent presence of armed military personnel. They are very much everywhere, in groups of 3 or 4, in uniform and carrying rifles. If that's something that will freak out any family members, it's best for them to not go. Do you really want to travel with people who are uncomfortable and worried? That would ruin my vacation.

I am grateful to have left just when the rain had started, before the flooding. That's the biggest issue right now.

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Such interesting responses on this topic. I do agree, if there is concern, stay home. Nobody wants to feel responsible for someone else's trip and how it plays out. The weather, the subway, the nasty waiter, the lousy pizza (Oops, that's Rome), to much pressure especially if it's family members who do not want you or them to go. You go, they stay home. We spend our winters in Mexico, have for 20 years and we still hear the same old " is it safe" every year....I'm with Jane, go girl..

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janettravels,

Well done - I definitely agree! From a statistical point-of-view, there's more risk driving to the airport than travelling in Paris.

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When I landed at FRA on the morning of 25 May after that 11 hr flight on United, I did see surprisingly a military two man patrol as I was walking to Immigration, one of whom, the woman, carried a machine gun with the muzzle pointed horizontally, what they call "in Anschlagstelle" instead vertically pointing to the ground, looked pretty menacing, bigger than any patrol weapon I had seen in France or England, walked right by them, luggage in tow. One bullet from that thing, you're a goner.

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If you will arriving very soon, the main problems will be:
Transportation strikes - inter-city and sncf trains are running, but at less than half the normal schedule, and some flights might be delayed or cancelled.
Some areas in certain museums might be closed due to damage or other problems due to flooding.
Certain Metro stations might be closed due to electrical problems due to flooding.
There will be no river traffic allowed for the next week or so, so a cruise on the Seine would not be possible.
RER C is closed until further notice, so getting to Versailles would be difficult.

Paris is safe, there are armed soldiers patrolling the streets since last November.

Protect yourselves from pickpockets and enjoy your trip.

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The presence of armed military is nothing new: I remember seeing quite a number about in Paris back in 2009. It's reassuring and not scary that they take security very seriously. I wouldn't stew much over alerts unless our government recommends no travel at all to country X, or to specific cities/regions. The U.S. State Department warnings for European countries often don't change much, and many of those countries have been at one security level or another for years and years.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/france.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/europe-travel-alert.html

The world is what it is these days and it's a personal decision how one chooses to deal with it. We've worked and waited our whole lives to get to the point where we can go and experience with our own eyes what we'd only seen in pictures so it would take the extreme to keep us away. Yes, we'd absolutely go to Paris if booked to do so.

But it's your decision. I'll vote with the others to advise family members whose constant fretting may make the trip uncomfortable or frightening for you and your children to stay home.

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I just spent 4 months in France with my 14 and 16 year old, my husband was back and forth but we were most often a mom and two kids. We were mainly in the south but spent a week in Paris. We were fine. Security is heightened, we often saw French military walking in groups of 4 with machine guns in Nice, which made us feel even safer. My children rode bikes by themselves and we made multiple side trips. In Paris, we stayed between the Marais and Place Republique on rue de Turennes and walked home late(11-midnight) with no worries. After we got back to Nice, my friend pointed out that our apartment was only about 6 blocks from one of the Nov. 15th attacks.

That being said- you can follow the state department on Twitter and get travel alerts to make you feel better.

Ultimately, you will make the decision that is right for your family and makes you comfortable. Bon Voyage.
http://provenanceal.blogspot.com/2016/05/a-day-in-celebration-of-higher-learning.html

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We were in Paris during the attacks last year. It was scary that night watching the news. The government moved quickly and strongly and we felt very safe even the next day. We were there for the 3 days of mourning and then we flew out on the Tuesday from Charles De Gaulle......Felt very safe immediately afterwards.

We were staying in the 7th but traveled almost everywhere. The level of security measures are quite high. I would not hesitate to go to France or Paris.

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Just go. We cannot predict ANYTHING. I booked my solo trip to Paris last October, then the Paris and Brussels attacks occurred and predictably, many people in my life who are not travelers or who are unable to imagine going to the mall alone begged me to cancel. My parents said "I know you can take care of yourself, just be careful", like they do every time I head off to Europe alone.

I was in Paris 2 weeks ago and never once felt apprehensive or worried--plenty of military and police everywhere, extremely high level of security checks at all major sites and museums. I stayed in the 6th and travelled all over the city.

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We just returned from being in France for almost a month and felt safe and secure the whole time. We started in Normandy, then Paris, traveled through central, western and eastern parts and then to Nice, Avignon and Lyon. At no point in our travels did we feel that there were security issues. We did see security in every train station which of course makes you feel good. Our issues were with the different strikes that happen during the month of May (train, ours was cancelled the day we were to leave to come home) but you just go with the flow and find another one to hop on to. Please go on your trip and just be aware of your surroundings and have a great time. We sure did.

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The military presence at some tourist sights is nothing new in Paris, as I've encountered them for many years (especially at the Eiffel Tower). Given recent events I'm sure their numbers have been increased to cover many public venues and especially rail stations.

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One more note...
As I assume you've already booked your air and hotels, cancelling or changing reservations will very likely cost you a bundle.

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Here now with our two daighters ( 20,25) and one boyfriend and one other friend. Met our friends from Uk , here with their 4 yr old .

We all feel very safe.

We are staying in 4th , our kids are stsying in 3rd and our friends in 11 th.

Relax. The sky is not falling.

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The best thing being away for a while is not having to read, hear, see things like this, I totally didn´t missed it last week in France.

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"your odds of being attacked by a shark are equivalent to being attacked by a swarm of bees while commuting to work on a pogo stick - pretty much zero"

this made me laugh out loud. I am a worrier but reading this thread has helped a lot and my new travel mantra will involve some piece of "being attached by a swarm of bees while commuting to work on a pogo stick". HA!!

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New York is a case in and of itself as regards to terrorism,threat of it, or the perceived threat of it. Airports in Calif, SFO. LAX, Long Beach, Orange Co., Ontario, etc don't have visible patrols all the time., SFO esp since I'm there more often. One does not see soldiers in uniform with automatic weapons. At most roving police on wheels. When I left on 24 May, I was at the SFO early, over 4 hrs early than the usual 2.5 hrs, not one police or security personnel. That may have been a fluke.

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I just got back from Paris, where I had an amazing time, not worrying myself into a frenzy about whether or not I was "safe". I didn't even worry about pickpockets. I just went and had a brilliant time. Glad I (barely) missed the flooding.

IMO all the endless debate and statistic citing won't enhance anyone's experience.

Go or not. Frankly someone's opinion on it didn't make any difference to me and I'm glad.

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AGREE, can't wait to go! flights and apartment booked! hope the flooding stops by then!

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Just got home from Paris last night after a 2 week stay in France.....it was WONDERFUL. I did notice this visit.....and I just wrote a forum post on this on Pickpockets in Paris?!.....we stayed this visit on the Ile St. Louis......and did not use the Metro. I felt safer NOT using the metro.....that meant a lot of walking but we loved seeing the streets and stores felt it put us in a safer place. We even got caught in a HUGE parade through the Marais......which made us a little nervous but we just kept our distance from it and it all went SO WELL. Hope this helps!

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The Seine cruises are still not allowed to run.
The water level has receded, but there is still a lot of debris that must be cleared from the river before the boats can be assured of safe passage. There is no river traffic allowed as of today. The cruises expect to resume next week or possibly a little later - depends on the Harbor Police.

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Thanks all...we have booked air and apartment and very excited about our trip in July, hopefully the flooding situation will be over by then!