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Intinerary help/need second set of eyes

Hi all,

My boyfriend and I are in our late 20's and going to London and Paris for the first time. I am unbelievably excited! We will be in London May 12-16 and heading to Paris via Euorstar on the 16th and will arrive around 4:30 pm and leave on the 21st at 1:20. We basically have 4 full days. We are both extremely active so walking 7-8 miles a day will not phase us and we are interested in architecture, good food and being outside- we also don't mind staying up late and getting up early. I am not necessarily a huge museum person, save for a couple that appealed to me. I also don't like feeling extremely crowded and herded around like cattle at tourist attractions. I like staying just a little bit off the beaten path. That being said, we know the major sites are worth visiting and I am looking forward to and anticipating lines in Paris. Here is what I have so far. I am wondering if this is too ambitious or if it could be done. We are staying in Montmartre.

Tuesday May 16- Arrive and check in to hotel, make our way down to the Eiffel Tower, have dinner, booked Crazy Horse tickets for 10:45 pm (my boyfriend's request which I didn't mind)

Wednesday May 17-Montmartre walk (Paris walks) in the morning and head to the St. Germain area, Notre Dame, Jardin des Plantes, Grand Mosque (the photos of this look incredible, right on the outside of the Jardin des Plantes)

Thursday May 18- Pere Lachaise Cemetery, Parc Buttes Charmont in the morning, afternoon head to L'Orangerie and D'Orsey (open late Thurs) and walk around the Seine in the evening for dinner.

Friday May 19-morning/afternoon Palais Garnier, Walk along Champs Elysees, Arc du Triomphe ( we do not necessarily need to go up) Evening- Classical concert at St. Chapelle.

Saturday May 20- Marais walk (Paris walks) and leaving this day open to anything we feel we wanted to see more of. Possible Ile de la cite, Trocadero. This whole day is really tentative. This is also Museum Night in Europe, so Pompidou and Picasso museum that night.

Sunday May 21- relax before airport

We will probably get a 4 day museum pass as well. The other thing is, I am wondering if we should try to fit in Versailles, at least one morning for the gardens, Hamlet and Trianons. The lines for the main house just sound so unappealing to us and really do not want to be in line for 2 hours...

I appreciate your feedback in advance :)

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I like how you've set it...it's very flexible. So if you didn't have time to do everything on, say, May 18, you could easily modify on the fly, and skip something.

Lots of walking, soaking in the sights and sound, good work! I think Versailles would make things more hectic (and not worth it, IMO).

I'm guessing you're pretty Yelp savvy. I've been researching possible restaurants for our upcoming trip. Did you know you can filter by language? So if you find something, you can tell whether it's all American eating/reviewing or a mixed crowd, or mostly French. Which I think speaks volumes!

Bon voyage!

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Thank you Shawn! I have a few in mind and have made one reservation so far. Like you said, I want to be flexible and may make 1-2 more reservations. I will try that filter on Yelp. I agree with you :)

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Also, there's a good architecture museum in Paris. We've been wanting to go. Last time we were there they had an interesting special exhibit, but alas, we didn't make it. It's highly rated via Google reviews and TripAdvisor

https://www.citedelarchitecture.fr/

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Looks good Taylor.
Grand Mosque is really something special as is Jardin des Plantes.
L'Orangerie and D'Orsey in one afternoon is a lot of museum time. Both are great, D'Orsay gets more traffic for obvious reasons but pound for pound, L'Orangerie is one of my favorites. Same for Pompidou and Picasso - choose one and plan to return again to Paris.
Champs Elysees, Arc du Triomphe are landmark Paris sights and certainly not off the beaten path - and an experience like 5th Avenue in NYC or Rodeo Drive in LA but ehh, I would do something else with my time - Place des Vosges, Canal St Martin, Promenade Plantee, Luxembourg Gardens are all great experiences and 'on the beaten path' as well but less crowded. Jazzfest in St Germain des Pres is happening during your time - check that out!

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Paul - we've booked tickets to the Jazz Fest! So excited!

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Jazz fest sounds wonderful! Paul, thank you for your input. Maybe instead of the Champs Elysees, we would go to a different museum that I was eyeing- the Nissim Comando with a stop at Parc Monceau right behind it. I think Place de Vosges is covered in the Marais walk we want to take. That looks intriguing, and move the D'Orsey to my last day as I am way more excited to see L'Orangerie and I wouldnt be terribly upset to miss D'Orsey if we had to. Would going to Versailles be worth it to you to see the gardens and other buildings besides the palace? I have to say, I really didn't have much of a interest after reading about the crowds. However everyone says it is a MUST DO even with the waits. This is very confusing :)

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You will see this sage advice on lots of threads in the Forum - but plan on returning to Paris one day. Trying to cram in Versailles might be stress-inducing. There is a lot to see in Paris - you could keep yourself busy for 4 days, 4 weeks, 4 months...you get the idea.
Practice being a 'flaneur' - a stroller and observer of things. Racing from one place to the next will cut down on your chance to savor your trip and Paris is definitely something to savor. Nothing better than sitting in a cafe for a few hours and watch the world go by....

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I visited Paris last May, many of the sites you're intending on, and it was a fabulous trip. I will comment on Versailles--I chose a wet, dreary day to go and while I had an interest in the palace itself, it was hideously crowded with groups and so I escaped and headed out to the Trianons and Hamlet, by then the sun had taken over and I must say that area made my whole day perfect--peaceful, serene, sparsely populated and the grounds near the Hamlet I had all to myself--in short, very satisfying. Definitely get the Museum Pass, it helps with ticket lines, though you'll still have to go through a security check.

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Paul has some very good ideas I think. You'll fit right in with the flaneurs!

I'd say skip Versailles this time. It will be very crowded and you have enough to fill your Paris days without adding Versailles. If you go, most likely it will eat up your whole day. Your plans, without Versailles, look very well thought out. The only addition I'd suggest would be a Seine cruise (daytime or night, but not dinner). Les Vedettes de Pont Neuf is my favorite, but there are other lines that leave from near the Eiffel Tower. And, I understand skipping the Louvre, but make sure you see the outside and walk past it if you can. It's one of Europe's great palaces, fascinating architecture. And, if you decide to go in, you might be interested in the medieval foundations at the bottom of the Sully wing.

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Be aware that the Jewish restaurants will be closed Friday afternoon and Saturday in the Marais. Some of our favorite reasonable restaurants were in the Marais. We especially liked Miznon which has excellent ratatouille and roasted cauliflower with tahini sauce. We also really liked the falafel at Mi Va Mi, up the street from Miznon. Have a wonderful trip!!

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I echo others suggesting you skip Versailles...so crowded and fromhow you describe your interests, think you'll be sorry you tried to cram it in. Your plans sound great other tha Trocodero...you can walk through it while at the Eiffel on your first day. The Srch de Triumph is pretty amazing but given your time, suggest best to just view from a distance. Have fun!

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Go Sunday instead to the Marais - most shops and restaurants will be open around 10h.
Skip Versailles - you'll need 6 - 8 hours to appreciate it. Most people don't réalise how huge the place is.

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I'll recommend skipping Versailles as well: there a plenty of things in central Paris to fill your time! We had a week there and bizbagged a trip to the chateau as we simply found too much to do without it.

I'd skip the Champs Elysees - no great shakes there - but I'd reconsider skipping top of the Arc du Triomphe. I see that you intend to purchase the 4-day Paris Museum Pass? That one is covered by the pass and it's open late into the evening so it would be easy enough to add. Nice view up there. :O) Plus, you want to get all the good out of that pass as you can ESPECIALLY as you won't be using it for the Pompidou and Picasso on Museum Night (those evenings could be very busy, BTW). Your pass also includes the Towers of Notre Dame (no priority entry, though) and crypt.

I loved Pere Lachaise; glad to see you making time for that one. It was a great spot for breathing room as it's so large! If you haven't found its map yet, here it is:

https://api-site.paris.fr/images/74643

Palais Garnier: not covered by the pass and won't take a lot of time as you're only allowed to see the public areas. The auditorium itself may be closed to rehearsals so you may or may not be able to get a look at it. So, what with that one taking only so much time and skipping the Champs, take a look at your pass for other attractions which may appeal. Jardin du Luxembourg is a very nice walk-through, and we enjoyed Musée National du Moyen Age very much as well. That one wasn't crowded at all day we went.

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Thank you all for the input. I have decided we will skip Versailles. I was on the fence with it to begin with and will just put it on the backburner for another trip to Paris :) I also planned this thinking we will have 100% sunshine, which I know will not happen, so skipping Versailles to allow for some bad weather, more leisurely walks, delays, etc sounds much more relaxing. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas right now!

I appreciate the map for Pere Lachaise. I had not seen that and have already printed that out and packed it!

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"Arc du Triomphe ( we do not necessarily need to go up)"

Recommending the trip to the top. At almost the same time in 2016 we visited the Arc, late afternoon. Neither security nor the line was problematic. The view and photo-ops from above are terrific, especially at that time of day...and the bird's eye view of the traffic below is a hoot. The time of your St. Chapelle concert (also a highlight of our trip) might make the logistics tricky, but the Metro should quickly whisk you back to Ile di la Cite'.