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I spent 2 hours waiting in line to renew my carte de séjour yesterday - behind clueless people who appeared thinking that "everything would be in the government's computer system" so brought absolutely no paperwork with them.
Thé intake agent had to take the time to explain each bit of information which was necessary, most people did not even speak rudimentary French, so the wait was much longer than necessary.
And I was still in the office 4 hours later.

If you décidé to apply for - or renew - your carte de séjour, do not dépend on expat blogs, or travel forums, which often give inaccurate information.
Instead, go directly to the official government website for the list of necessary paperwork - and bring a pen.
www.prefecturedepolice.intérieur.gouv.fr

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Ha! Here was our experience renewing my wife's carte de séjour the year after we moved to France. First off, I was given an 3-year permit but hers was for only one year. So, 11 months after we entered France and based on advice from friends, we showed up at the préfecture around 7AM to get in line, which already was down the block, around the corner, down to the other corner, which is where we were.

The office opened at 9. Once the line started to move, we got up to about 20 people away from the door when the police officer announced the day's allocation of spots had been filled and to come back another day. This was around 10 in the morning.

Flabbergasted, we went up to the door and found a poor, harried préfecture agent and asked her how early we should arrive to assure a ticket.

She said 3AM.

Did I mention this was in late January?

So, a couple of days later, I got up at 2 in the morning, got dressed and headed out the door. It was a brisk walk to the préfecture because the buses weren't running that early. I got in line, which was about 40 deep, and waited. The wind blew. It snowed for awhile. It was dark, of course. Around me were primarily folks from northern Africa and sub-Saharan Africa, with a few Russians thrown in for variety. Based on the chattering around me, I guessed that I was the only English speaker.

Around 6:30 a fight nearly broke out a few people ahead of me when a couple of guys tried to cut in line.

Around 7, my wife showed up with a buttered baguette, some hard boiled eggs, a thermos of coffee and small bottles of orange juice. We waited 2 hours more, and got our ticket for her renewal. Once inside, the process itself was, as they say, a nothingburger, since we had everything we were supposed to have, plus other stuff as well (which is always advised -- try to imagine what they could possibly ask you to bring).

They've since initiated a reservation system, so things are a bit less difficult nowadays.

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Yes, with only 7 guichets "available" - and only 2 -3 agents manning them, it took much longer than it should have.
Renewals didn't take as long in Paris until about 2 years ago.

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Well, at least I got mine! Don't know about the other clueless folks...

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oh Chexbres what a pain!!!! How can someone be living in France and think that all the stuff would be in the computer?!!!! (I mean, if they're renewing, they've been through the process at least once before . . therefore they should be fully acquainted with the antiquated system and the French love of PAPER PAPER PAPER.) That stinks that their inanity increased your wait time (significantly, it appears). Glad you are done with the renewal!

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10196 posts

Ouf! Glad you got through it.
The paperwork I find amazing is when you have to affix a certain stamp that can be bought only at a tabac. Geez Louise.

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Bets-you can buy them online or at the cashier's office at the Prefecture.

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10196 posts

Modernization. What would Napoleon say!

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Regarding stamps: one of the funnier moments of interaction with the French bureaucracy was showing up at OFII (Office Français de l'Immigration et de l'Intégration) a month or so after we moved to get our first cartes de séjour. These were to succeed the visas the French consulate in San Francisco pasted in our passports before we moved.

We prepared our documents, as we had been advised to, including the stamps (timbres fiscaux) adding up to the right value that we purchased from a tabac.

We waited in the waiting room. My wife had a brief physical exam (mine was handled separately as part of my job) and we got the go-ahead to head down the hall.

When we got there, it was the usual document check and questions. Finally, we were asked for les timbres. I handed them over, and the OFII agent proceeded to lick them, one by one, and stick them on the form for each of us. Keep in mind, there were several stamps for each of us in various values such as 50€, 10€, 3€, and 1€.

It took a little while.

I was mesmerized. With all the official proceedings, the forms, the fingerprints and background check, the apostilles of certain documents signed, I suspect, in the blood of suckling lambs from our various states of birth, we get to the moment of truth -- when payment occurs -- and she's literally licking stamps and pasting them on our paperwork like someone who just got home from the Piggly Wiggly in 1956 and was eagerly adding the new S&H Green Stamps to their latest booklet.

And this is a place that handles your health care records with a small plastic card that accesses an interconnected data network. But those timbres! Stuck right somewhere in the early to mid 20th century.

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When I went for my renewal, the agent used a wet paper towel in a little cup.
Progress!

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Yeah, my Dad worked for the US Postal service in the 1960s through the 1980s after he retired from the USAF.

He had a little sponge device to wet the stamps.

That's what amazed me about the OFII person using her tongue. It just seemed so... well ...archaic.

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You can buy 100 EU timbres fiscaux as well as other denominations. Saves a lot of time for the agent.

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Yes -- but that was my first rodeo, so I just took what the tabac dude offered. Probably cleaning out his supply of small denominations.

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Here's where I admit guiltily that I have NEVER had to affix timbres fiscaux to my carte de sejour applications!! I have never understood why not and have always gotten my carte.

My only guess is that it has to do with my husband being European but NOT French. There was one other instance where that "dropped" me into a weird category (i.e. the people at the French consulate telling me I did not need a visa as the spouse of a European, whereas I would have had to have had one were I the spouse of a Frenchman . . . ).

I'm certainly not complaining!! But always waiting for my luck to run out.