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Am I reading France's requirements correctly?

Checking to see if I can go to France in September.

I looked at our State Department website which essentially says you shouldn't go anywhere.

France's requirements, however, seem to provide hope. As I read it you can either:
a. show a negative COVID test result from within the previous 72 hours, or
b. quarantine for 14 days when you arrive.

I've heard there are tests that take 15 minutes. I'm not worried about getting COVID. First because I've already had it but also because I was detailed to CDC during H1N1 and (gasp) COVID doesn't worry me.

I'm so ready to go to Europe with crowds like 50 years ago. Am I reading it right? Is there an option that will let me go to France in September?

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Brad, I am reading it as leisure travel (i.e., non-essential) from the US is still restricted. You have to meet one of the exemption categories. The testing and/or 14 day quarantine applies to those exempted. I would wonder whether they will accept any test or just ones approved within EU. It is hard to sort through to the hard facts, I agree.

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No, you can’t go as a tourist. The new guidelines are for the same old crowd: residents with visas, citizens, exempt workers.

The new test guidelines that came out on Friday: one cannot board the plane without the test results from a test taken within 72 hours. Self-quarantine is not an option. I’ve been on the phone with Air France and the French consulate today to get clarification.

We are citizens, so are allowed to go—if we can find a place that can test us and send results in 72 hours. Where we live, that’s impossible. Arrivals from the USA must have the test results in hand In order to board, even French citizens. Arrivals from some developing countries can be tested at CDG or Orly. Not us. New Prime Minister, new rules.

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Stan has it right. Leisure travel by Americans to France is still prohibited.

Those Americans who have an exception that allows them to come to France —- they are legally resident here, or they are a doctor coming to work on Covid or whatever — have to fulfill these newly introduced testing rules before boarding any plane.

France has not eased up its requirements — in fact it has made them stricter for those who ARE allowed to come.

Sorry — cross-posted with Bets. She is right, too.

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Kim—with the testing backlog here, AF will be taking off with more empty seats as ticket holders are denied boarding. It was sweet of M. Castex to consider us capable of getting tested and results within 72 hours, but that’s not the reality on the ground. I’m sure the Député representing the French in North America, M. Lescure, has heard an earful from his constituents already.

I just realized that for those who live in Europe but want to come to the States to see family, you/they will have to see if there is any quick testing available where you are going to visit, or you may not be able to get back when planned.

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Bets, you might check to see if you are able to get this done thru a private lab, Quest Diagnostics. You might have to pay out of pocket and I'm not sure what tests they offer in your area. Here they only offer the test for Coronavirus antibodies but the turnaround time here is quick (24 hours). That test does not show if you currently have the virus, just if you have had it in the past and made antibodies to it.

I have no connection to them, just saw them mentioned on Trip Advisor Air Travel forum for someone needing to fly from DC to Africa for a work thing.

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Quest in our area is saying for non-emergency tests (doctors and nurses) the turn around is any where from 3 days to 2 weeks.

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It has to be the nasal test (PCR in French). The blood test isn't accepted. But please keep monitoring the TA forum, and let me know what you find.
I think there are hundreds, if not thousands, of us in this situation. Thanks Pam.

Update: I posted in Beyond Europe, received a link to every testing site near Dulles from Eric, and have spotted a lab private lab that I will email tomorrow.

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"Quest in our area is saying for non-emergency tests (doctors and nurses) the turn around is any where from 3 days to 2 weeks."

Bob, I suspected there might be different turnaround times in different areas. Although North Idaho is seeing a surge our numbers are nothing like other places. I got the antibody test done at 3PM Friday and had an email at 815 Saturday AM saying the results were up.

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You can get test results in 15 minutes if you choose the right provider.

I used to work for CBP and, believe me, there is never a time when a U.S. citizen, permanent resident or their immediate family can be denied entry into the U.S. As long as you can establish your citizenship (or resident alien status), they have to let you in. There was some confusion, in the media, on that earlier this year and it was quickly corrected. Getting back into the U.S. isn't a concern at all.

Whether France will allow any traveler in is the bigger question for me. What I read was the French Government's requirements. I didn't see anywhere that it was limited to specific travel purposes (though that could be the case).

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Bets,
Can you, as a french citizen, fly into the NL from the US, and then take the train into France? Would you be illegal?

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Brad—referring to returning to France, not the US, for Kim as an example.
By any chance, could you give the names of some 15 minute providers in Northern VA. That’s where I need this.
Yes, it’s definitely still limited. As soon as it changes, we’ll be announcing it all over this Forum.
As Kim said, they just made it harder for those who have the right to go rather than easier for everyone.

Sorry to hijack your post.

Kateje, KLM has the flight from DTW, which we didn’t book because the price was double In our ticket class. Also, that would imply neither a test nor quarantine, oops, a big no-no.

Edit: I agree thoroughly with Stan, a few answers below, that the info is poorly written and misleading. I read the French. Is it in English, too?

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Bets - I sent you a PM regarding testing sites.

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Part of the difficulty reading their requirements, is that they're written for "international travelers" with travelers from other EU countries in mind, and those excepted countries are listed later. So you have to do some inferring.

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Bets, really no problem.

As for the test. Go online for a PRC test and see where you can get one. I noticed at least one of the emergent care clinics near me offered them. I'm planning to see if the emergent care place I chose as my primary doctor also gives them. If so, I have so much savings in my consumer based plan it probably wouldn't be anything out of pocket.

I sent an email to the French embassy here in DC. I'll report back when they answer.

I'm moderately sure you're right, that it isn't open to normal travelers so far but I'll let you know.

I'd be willing to book a trip if I knew I could get a refund if France is still closed. Air France seems to offer only that you keep the value for a new flight by a certain date. I'm not interested in Burgundy, Alsace or Champagne when it's cold. I went in early May and it was too cold. I'd want to give it at least late May and no later than early October.

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I'm moderately sure you're right, that it isn't open to normal travelers so far but I'll let you know.

I am absolutely sure that I am right, that American leisure travelers are not allowed into France right now.

I relayed a very long and detailed response detailing the EU’s exceptions for allowing in people from countries including the U.S. about halfway through this thread (I don’t care to retype the two answers it took to give all the information from the EU’s official website and then the French interior ministry website):

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/general-europe/questions-related-to-travel-insurance-and-trip-cancellation-due-to-covid-quarantine-on-entering-eu

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Checking back.

Yes, I received a response from the French embassy. They said regular visitors from the U.S. are still not allowed but they will review their policy every two weeks.

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A thought to add:

Anyone notice how getting around regulations is an art form in France?

I don't think I'd come close to risking this but apparently passengers arriving from Morocco are okay to enter France and Morocco is fine with passengers arriving from the U.S.

I can't imagine French authorities wouldn't look at the passport and send you home but the idea makes me smile.

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The French authorities will never get the chance to reject USA residents arriving from Morocco because they will never be able to board the plane in the first place.

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I’m just curious, couldn’t a US citizen fly into a European country that allows US citizens (Portugal for example), then take a car/train and enter France with no one checking their passport?

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Portugal is part of the EU and the ban on those from the USA is mandated by Brussels and applies to all EU member nations. Ultimately, and after an initial offer to allow those from the USA into Portugal, the entire EU community has closed their doors to US residents until infection rates in the USA lower to match those of member EU countries. Access is being reviewed every two weeks but given the current climate in the USA of prioritizing the opening of businesses ahead of containing the virus, the EU ban will probably remain in effect longer than anyone originally anticipated.

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Surely, if you;'re looking for a way to circumvent a law, you have to accept that you are trying to to do something you shouldn't be trying to do?

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Brad,
There's no backdoor to the Schengen zone for an American tourist. Europe is trying to re-open to the world while avoiding future shocks and part of that is allowing travel from where covid19 is under control. It is a serious disease so on the one hand you have tourist earnings (smaller fraction of the economy, varies by country it's 9.7% in France but part of that are European tourists) but on the other you have the rest of the economy to think about. In any case, Europe isn't completely tourist-free as it's the summer holidays now and Europeans are traveling again. We will be going on vacation in the coming week. H1N1 isn't COVID19. It's good you had COVID19 and had a good outcome. Many others would like to avoid getting it in the first place or have our health care systems stretched again, leading to poor outcomes.

Although it is misleadingly presented on some sites (even official ones such as the French diplomatic website) as being travel to the EU from one of 15 countries being allowed, the official guidance which you can find on re-open europe is residents of those 15 countries. So unless you are a resident of Algeria, Australia, Canada, Georgia, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Rwanda, South Korea, Thailand, Tunisia, Uruguay and China you won't be getting in unless you meet one of the exceptions (European resident/citizen, spouse/children of European resident/citizen, covid19 worker, flight crew in transit, valid visa holder, etc). Algeria is being removed from that list and Morocco is likely to be removed if things continue how they're going. Serbia and Montenegro were already removed. There are also many internal EU restrictions on movement depending on where you're coming from and where you are going to. It's in the interests of all member states and the third-country travel allowed states to continue to keep covid19 under control to maintain travel between these countries, else they will find their nationals restricted from entry and also to avoid disruption to their economies.

As far as Morocco specifically, American tourists are not allowed to enter Morocco so you wouldn't be let into Morocco in the first place unless you are a Moroccan citizen or resident. As an American, you also need a PCR test performed within the last 48 hours to board a plane to Morocco if you are resident in Morocco. Then there's this problem mentioned by the US Embassy Morocco with trying to use a layover or even residency in Morocco as a way to get into Europe:

Blockquote U.S. passport holders are not allowed to enter the European Union unless they qualify for an exception under European rules – no matter how long they have been in Morocco. Americans traveling back to the United States will likely be permitted to transit a European airport, however as long as the European travel restrictions remain in place, U.S. citizens will not likely be permitted to leave the airport. Travelers with additional questions about European entry rules should contact the embassies or the border control authorities of the European country they wish to visit and/or review information on U.S. embassy webpages in the transit countries.
Blockquote

So you can probably transit from Morocco between flights but probably won't be let out of the airport. For France, I would put that as definitely not allowed outside of the airport. You would likely run into similar problems coming from any of the other non-European countries whose *residents * are on the travel allowed list. There's also the issue of airlines not wanting to take you since they would need to return you if you were denied entry. Individual countries that decided to ignore the guidance banning American tourists on any scale could end up with internal EU travel restrictions and pressure, like Portugal did for a time on a limited scale.

Susan,
Portugal hasn't been an option for awhile now unless you fall into one of the categories that are similar to the rest of europe.

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75018, thank you.
I have no intention of going to France until it’s allowed, i was simply curious.

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I am adding to this older thread in the hope that someone can please provide help related to exceptions, especially the student exception, such as posted by Kim on 7/28.

According to
https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/health/coronavirus-response/travel-and-transportation-during-coronavirus-pandemic/travel-and-eu-during-pandemic_en#exemptions-from-travel-restrictions ,

"Students who are third-country citizens starting or continuing their studies in the EU are exempt from travel restrictions." That web page goes on to say, "The exception may also cover third-country nationals coming for the purpose of study ... (for example pupils or students attending secondary schools, language schools, ...”)

Question: How can an official document use “may also cover?” What does “may” mean?

More importantly, although that official document includes verbiage related to the student exemption, the actual "INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL CERTIFICATE TO MAINLAND FRANCE FROM A THIRD COUNTRY” certificate found on
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du-Ministere/Attestation-de-deplacement-et-de-voyage
mentions all the other exemptions but not the student exemption.

If one attends a language school, can one enter France? And how would prove the exemption to the la police aux frontières?
Thanks in advance.

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011-er,

your posts in May said that you were coming on a visit in September, not that you would be attending school.

Are you enrolling in a language school so that you can come for your visit? I hadn't thought of that route.

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I want to go back to this because I’ve learned more about testing since France issued test requirements for returning citizens and visa holders. The “15-minute test” is not accepted, as it’s not a PCR.
If you want info on France travel testing in NY, Washington, or mail order PCR tests, send me a private message.

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If one attends a language school, can one enter France? And how would prove the exemption to the la police aux frontières?

I understand that student visas are being processed by the consulates. If you have a student titre de séjour application already submitted, hopefully it is on its way.

At least since Schengen and the 90 day visitor visa, you have not been able to enter France without a student visa for a stay exceeding 90 days. Right now you need the student titre de séjour to prove French residency and be able to enter France.

Before Schengen, you could get student visas, even for language schools, simply by asking at the local préfecture. Generally, that is not now the case.

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I had planned all along to do language study during my trip this Fall but it looks like it will not be happening, as I have received a definitive word from a Consulat général de France that the exemption is for people asking for a long stay student visa - at least a year. I would definitely like to do that at some point in the future, if I can figure out how.

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I have gotten extended visas and in my experience 'language school' is considered a pretext not a reason and it usually not adequate to get a student visa; the expectation is that you are in a full time college type program.

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It may be useful to know, for when things return to normal, that there is a 6 month visa which has a simplified application process. For anyone wanting to stay beyond the 90-day standard visitor visa period, such as extended vacation or language study, this could be a workable solution:

French visas