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14 nights in France

I have stayed in France for 6 months in 2003 and have already visited Paris, Troyes, Strasbourg, Reims, Carcasonne, Normandy, Mont Saint Michel, Versailles, Toulouse, Pepignan etc. I have never been to the Alps though. This time, I am bringing my kids and will have to redo Paris since it is a must-see for them. My son is very into WWII history, so Normandy is a must. i love castles and pretty villages and we generally dislike big cities. I have consulted ChatGPT on the itinerary but would like some real life advice. We will be renting a car and will take TGV for longer distances.

Paris - Normandie/Bretagne - Strasbourg/Colmar - Loire Valley - Charmonix/Annecy - Lyon/Nice

The above are some of the places we are thinking of covering. I am flying into Paris and am thinking of flying out of Lyon/ Nice. I googled and it was suggested to fly out of Geneva if going to Chaonix but the flight options dont look great.

The period of travel is 1-15 Dec. is there snow at Charmonix already? The logistics of getting to Charmonix really puts me off.

If i only have time to visit 1-2 places in the South of France, which should it be?

Thank you

Posted by
8560 posts

Seems like a lot of locations for a 14 night trip
You are all over the map

Posted by
2728 posts

hey hey dolphinne
too many places in 14 days. are you arriving dec 1 from where (jet lag) and is return flight the dec 15 (what time and get to airport 3 hours ahead). count those 2 days down to 13 days. you are all over the place with many hours of driving and train travel. how many is "we?" how many kids, their ages, planning is late for dec with so many traveling all year long, "dislike big cities" even though your choice are big, busy & crowded.
decide you arrival city/departure city with multi-city flights (not one ways), check-in times are 3-4pm check-out 10-11am. where you depart from be there the night before.
may sound cruel, go back to the "drawing board", cut out places. many people want to see as much as they can but it won't happen. once you go they will look forward to another trip to new places or what they missed. good luck
aloha

Posted by
1635 posts

If I understand right, you’re looking for advice on visiting 11 to 12 locations all across France in a 14 night time span. Travel from place to place doesn’t leave you any time to actually see much. Happy travels!

Posted by
2297 posts

While I love Normandy, there's a very specific reason the Allies didn't invade in December. The weather sucks. And due to that a lot of the attractions open April - October will be closed. Pass on that.

I recommend you look at Paris, Metz, Strasbourg, and then fly home from Zurich or Bern. This would give you Paris, WWII history and a good Christmas market in Metz, the Strasbourg market, WWII history and another market in Colmar, and some Alps.

In Paris point your son at the Army Museum Invalides. It's got excellent collections reaching back hundreds of years and includes WWII. It's the best military museum in that part of France. https://www.musee-armee.fr/

In the Alsace-Lorraine you have the following Military Museums:
The Military Museum, Vincey: https://www.vincey.fr/le-musee-militaire
The Maginot Line Museum: https://www.grandried.alsace/1/1259/2/261007038/musee-memorial-de-la-ligne-maginot-du-rhin-marckolsheim.htm
The Colmar Pocket Museum: https://musee.turckheim-alsace.com
and the Museum most Americans never even know exists, just outside Metz: https://musee.turckheim-alsace.com

Posted by
9340 posts

cities are much nicer in winter; tourist driven small towns are often all but shut down. we have been in charming villages in November where we couldn't even get a cup of coffee. I'd big two places besides Paris at the most.

Posted by
3 posts

Thanks all. Kids are 12 and 14. Mont Saint Michel is still open in Dec I think. The D-day beaches too?

Most likely Paris - Normandy - Loire - Charmonix. Sounds ok for 14 nights?

Posted by
2297 posts

You are failing to grasp the concept. Standing on a beach on 30km winds and rain is not fun. Tours are not offered. You will have to find places on your own, and most of the surrounding small museums and towns will be shut down. If you go to Mont St Michele you'll have the place to yourself. The graveyards, at least the ABMC ones, will be open. Most of the major museums will only be open weekends and with restricted hours if at all. For example, the Omaha Beach museum is closed. As is the Gold Beach Museum.

Posted by
8560 posts

Have you worked out transportation from Loire to Chamonix?
That will take all day whether you drive or take train (multiple changes)

If you end in Chamonix you’ll probably want to fly home from Geneva and need to stay there night before departure

Why Chamonix in December? Do you plan to ski?

You have chosen 4 locations that are not close to each other, require lots of travel time and not the best in December as 3 are mainly outdoor destinations

Posted by
2521 posts

dolphinne,
KGC's comments about Normandy in the winter are spot on. For your son, WWII happened all over Europe. The DDay invasion at the Normandy beaches are just one part of that years-long war. I would check out the many, many sights in France that honor and remember WWII. There are even Paris museums. The Invalides (army museum) in Paris is huge and covers centuries of French military history that could pique his interest as well (I love the suits of armor). Plus Napoleon's tomb is there. The area around Lyon was central to much of the French underground movement during the war, so you may find some museums/memorials in that location. There is no need to limit yourselves to the DDay beaches area.

The weather in the Alps in December could be iffy. What exactly are your aspirations for a visit there? Maybe use the search bar above for specific comments on Chamonix and Annecy in December. With your limited time, I would save that area for another trip.

I do suggest you make your plans by counting nights, not days, and making sure that you are accounting for real travel time between places. Do you arrive on 12-1 and depart 12-15? If so, 12-1 will be kind of a "not doing much" day as you get through immigration, travel to first night's hotel, and recover from jet lag. 12-15 will be all about departure. That leaves you 13 full days to enjoy France. Take away at least half of a day for changing locations (and maybe a whole day depending on your route and destination) and you lose maybe 3-4 days (dropping Chamonix). You now have 9 or 10 days, with maybe a half-day once or twice if you get to your new location by early afternoon. And there would be no time for the south of France this trip.

Re ChatGPT...Someone on the forum posted an AI recommended trip for their time in Europe, and it made no allowances at all for travel between places. The only way it would have worked was with a teleportation device. And it only allowed for about 1 day in each place. Perhaps you could just take a look at a map of France to see where all the places are in relation to one another, then check travel time between them, either by car or train or both. Add in time for checking out of lodgings, getting to station (if applicable), getting to new lodgings and checking in. If driving, add in time for gas/food/comfort stops to drive time. (viamichelin.com is a good source for driving routes and times). Also, allow time to find your way around in each new place and where to park the car. You may find that you want to drop another location.

If you kept all but Chamonix, and use a car after leaving Paris, I would make a counterclockwise loop: Paris to Normandy to Loire Valley to Lyon to Alsace (Strasbourg/Colmar) to Paris. Save Paris sights for the end. 12-1 sleep in Paris; 12-2 train to Caen, get rental car, drive to Bayeux, see what you can in the afternoon, sleep Bayeux; 12-3 See what is open in Bayeux in the morning. and in the afternoon, drive (about 3-4 hours) to Amboise in the Loire valley, sleep Amboise; 12-4 visit chateaux (2, maybe 3 if you rush), sleep Amboise; 12-5 drive to Lyon 5-6 hours, sleep Lyon; 12-6 and 12-7 visit Lyon and nearby sights, sleep Lyon; 12-8 drive to Alsace (Colmar) about 5 hours, sleep Colmar; 12-9 visit Colmar and maybe a nearby village or two, sleep Colmar, drop off car; 12-10 train to Paris, spend rest of nights in Paris (12-10 through 12-14. That gives you 4 full days there.

It is all doable, but please factor in travel time, whether train or car. As far as trains go, note that many trains from place to place go through Paris, with a change there. Think of a wheel with spokes. Also, you will want some do-nothing down time. I have traveled with our kids at different ages, and when they were your kids' ages as well. Try not to fit in too much stuff. Give them time to absorb what they see.

Posted by
2521 posts

To add to Christine H's comments. I had forgotten that the days will be shorter in December, limiting the time you will have for seeing outdoor sights. Also, the American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC) covers all the US sights re WWII, so you might go on their website for WWII connected places that may interest your son. And for all of you, in Alsace there are Christmas markets to see, especially in Colmar. Their popularity may make finding lodgings in that region difficult at this late date. The markets are a really big thing there. Best of luck!

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Im thinking of Charmonix for the beautiful scenery. Not really for skiing. Yes, i did check the travel mode and hours to Charmonix and hence the initial reason for this post actually. I find it really out of the way to go there. Im prepared to drop more locations to go to Charmonix or just drop it completely.