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Upcoming 3 Week (Mostly) Southern England Itinerary

Hello, my first post. My wife and I will be in England from mid September thru the first week of October, and i seek comments from those who have been in the areas we will be visiting.

Flying in and out of Manchester, better mileage tickets than Heathrow when i booked the trip. Renting car for two weeks until we get to London. First three nights in northwest Wales, at recommendation of friends, seeing castles and the national park. Then a two day drive to the Devon area, staying outside of Cardiff, but not spending a lot of time in that city. Primary reason to visit Totnes in Devon is to see historical Berry Pomeroy Castle, built in the 15th Century and now a haunted ruin; my wife is a descendant of the Baron! Any other ideas for that area in southwest England? Do you recommend we stay longer in this area, and delete the Canterbury segment below?

From Devon, we will spend three nights in Bath, with a side trip to Stonehenge/Salisbury, and three in the Cotswolds - staying at a B&B in Moreton in Marsh, Gloucestershire with expected trips to Oxford, Blenheim, Stratford-upon-Avon, etc. Thereafter one night in Cambridge and two in Cantebury before six nights in London. My only hesitation is the Canterbury leg, but we want to see the Dover Cliffs, the castles and Cathedral in the area and the Battle of Hastings battlefield.

We expect to see the primary sights/Museums/Parks/historical buildings/shopping in London, but i invite your ideas about unique areas, neighborhoods, and restaurants. We have a reservation at the Marriott Regents Park, but i am ambivalent and seek opinions re hotels and/or apartments in other neighborhoods to be our home base, similar perhaps to Trastevere in Rome and/or the Marais in Paris.

After London, we expect to take an afternoon train back to the Manchester Airport area for the last night before flying home the following morning.

Thanks in advance for your ideas and comments.

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I liked Hampstead as a neighborhood in London. I did not stay here myself but thought it had an English Village feeling close enough to the Center by the underground. There is a lot of historical architecture and both famous and infamous persons who still haunt here. I think your basic itinerary is good. Look up the National Trust UK site. They show what properties they have on view by region. Check to see if they still have a pass available for Overseas visitors. Things change all the time so I don't know current status. Maybe others on this blog will know of other passes that will save you money. Check the English Heritage site. The World Heritage site, The Treasure Houses of England,etc. I loved Wales which is an excellent choice after landing in Manchester. I might suggest your first night be in Chester a wonderful walled city so you can get your land legs. Most people go to Conwy Castle from here. Be sure to get a Welsh Castle Pass so you can save on your visits to all if possible! Bon Voyage

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When you are in the Totnes area, try and visit Salcombe & Dartmouth.

You cannot really see the Dover cliffs as you would be standing on top of them! However, if you want to see some impressive white cliffs, when in Devon - go to Beer - which is SE of Exeter. It is a little village and has white cliffs by the beach. If you follow the footpath going west above these cliffs, you will come to a viewpoint high up looking across some very impressive white cliffs.

I also think that you would be best off going to Chester for your first night - lovely city of black & white beamed buildings. Next day - head west into Wales and visit Conwy Castle, Bodnant Gardens and maybe Llandudno.

Before heading to south Wales, you may like to take the coast road (A496) to visit Harlech Castle. http://cadw.gov.wales/daysout/harlechcastle/?lang=en

You say that you have booked a night just outside Cardiff but don’t intend to see much in the city. That being so, I don’t see much point in going via Cardiff. You would be better off following the A470 down through the middle of Wales to Talgarth & taking A479 to Crickhowell and overnight in that area. Then A40 to Raglan - see Castle & then A449 south to join M4 just east of Newport for the Severn Bridge & on SW to Devon. (A detour to the lower Wye Valley to see the ruins of Tintern Abbey may be possible).

If you are going to Cardiff - stay on the A470 - which is scenic nearly all the way down through Wales. Note that the Cardiff area has 4 castles = Caerphilly Castle, Castell Coch, Cardiff Castle and St.Fagans Castle with Museum of Welsh Life.

www.visitwales.co.uk
www.visitengland.co.uk

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Thank you, Kathleen and James. Your comments and advice are much appreciated, and give us additional ideas and food for thought. We realize we can't do everything and have to make choices, that perhaps is the most difficult thing.

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If you're going to be near Cardiff, you need to give serious consideration to allocating a half day to see Welsh Life Museum at St. Fagans. The Castle there is really a manor house. Caerphilly, also in the area is a real castle from the 1200s.

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Hi
Combining with your other post, I would add York.
To make room-
1. After 3 nights in the Cotswolds, I would drop off the car in Oxford and spend the day and night there. This eliminates the 3 nights in Cambridge and Canterbury ( both great places to visit but you would have a lot of travel time on roads that are often congested and a drive into London ). The 3 nights are added to Oxford (1) and York (2).
2. Next morning train into London, can be bought well in advance for under £10 each and takes an hour to get to Paddington Station. It is not far from your hotel, about 10 minutes by taxi. Hopefully you could adjust your hotel booking for your 6 nights in London. I don't know anything about your hotel but Regents Park is a convenient area.
3. Train to York for 2 nights ( again about a 10 minute cab ride to Kings Cross from your hotel ). The train takes 2 hours and there are great deals if bought 12 weeks in advance. There are train direct from York to Manchester Airport ( about 1.5 hours ) so you could check in your bags at the station and spend your penultimate day sightseeing, have dinner in York, and take the evening train direct to you airport hotel. This would give you two and a half days in York.
York is far and away my favourite British city. It has a compact city centre with over 2,000 years of history and plenty to see and do. It is easy to walk to most sites with pleasant walks along the river or the wall. It has an excellent free tour given by volunteer guides and atleast half a dozen museums and a very enjoyable brewery tour.
Whatever you decide, enjoy your trip.
Alan

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I don't think it's worth the time consuming diversion across to Canterbury/Dover/Hastings. Choose York instead.
I would think along these lines ...
Fly in to Manchester and train to York (2)
Pick up hire car in York
Peak District (1)
North Wales (3)
Cotswolds (3)
Bath (2)
South Devon (3)
Return hire car in Exeter and train to London
London (6) - day trip to Cambridge
Manchester (1) before flight home

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Thank you, all, for your valuable advice. We have tweaked our itinerary taking many of your suggestions into account. This is an excellent forum/