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U.S. might be added to the UK "red list"

Several U.K. news sources are saying that talks are underway as to whether the U.S. will be added to the UK's "red list" due to the variants that are present and spreading in the US. The red list means that no one except UK nationals and residents are allowed to enter, and those that are allowed in must quarantine in a hotel for 11 nights. The traveler pays the costs, over $2000 per adult, around $4000 for a family of 4.

Hopefully this doesn't come to pass, but if you were thinking of coming over here in the summer, keep watch on the news.

Posted by
3060 posts

I wonder if vaccination status will play into this at all?

Posted by
6051 posts

As it stands, and it could change, “proof” of vaccination is not relevant. The requirement is to provide negative tests. This makes sense, at present, because the vaccine doesn’t stop you transmitting the virus. It might lessen the transmission but it doesn’t stop it. The point of the vaccine at the moment is to lessen the severity of the symptoms if you have it
In some ways this could be viewed as making the situation more dangerous in the short term. You catch the virus after vaccination, you have mild symptoms and think you are OK because you have been vaccinated so you go out and about, or travel to another country, spreading the virus as you go....
I presume this will change as immunity increases within society but at the moment it’s the negative test that matters. Despite what many people seem to think a vaccination is not a “get out of jail free card” just yet.

Until there is some level of consistency in approach to vaccine paper work, with at least some level of security built in, I think countries will struggle to use them as formal proof. How is the person at the border supposed to know that the “proof” issued by your vaccination provider is authentic if 100s, probably 1000s, of forms of proof exist? As most just seem to be printed bits of card they are also child’s play to forge making them potentially even more worth less.

Any way if anyone wants the full detail it’s here. You should also be aware that rules etc can differ in each of the home nations, eg England, Scotland, Wales, NI.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transport-measures-to-protect-the-uk-from-variant-strains-of-covid-19

Posted by
4338 posts

The only way vaccination status will factor is that if more people are vaccinated, transmission will hopefully reduce across countries. Just because an individual has been vaccinated doesn’t mean borders are going to open to them, for the reasons that Emma has outlined.

Posted by
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Health Secretary Hancock has said that in future, some countries will require proof of vaccination to allow entry and the government "obviously want to make sure that Brits can fulfill that".

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-55718553

Pfizer’s vaccine appears to reduce coronavirus transmission
Vaccinated people tend to carry less virus in their bodies than unvaccinated people, studies show. The new finding that vaccines may curb coronavirus spread comes from vaccination and infection data from Israel. After a clinical trial showed that Pfizer’s vaccine had 95 percent efficacy to prevent COVID-19 symptoms.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-pfizer-vaccine-may-reduce-transmission

Posted by
6051 posts

As I said Mike, it could and probably will, all change but a “proof” of vaccination will not get a traveller off the red list into the U.K. for the foreseeable future.

Whilst there are obviously a number of benefits from the introduction of vaccine passports there are as many issues that need to be worked through before they are introduced. Based on our present governments track record with data systems (the debacle of track and trace anyone?) I would definitely have some major concerns about any system that’s rushed through.

Yes the vaccine apparently does reduce transmission which is brilliant, but it doesn’t eliminate it. The estimates I have seen are that it might reduce transmission by 2/3rds. This will make a huge difference BUT there is still that pesky 1/3rd that will continue to feed the spread if people don’t continue to follow the guidelines. Any country that opens up on the basis of vaccine passports alone, without a parallel system of testing, is just asking for trouble.

Posted by
4128 posts

Reds were undesirables a hundred years ago, and now different Reds are a concern. Maybe those nowadays will be easier to identify, but it would be great if conditions allow traveling, and healthy conditions all around, before too long.

Posted by
1623 posts

Results that show the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine might reduce the spread of coronavirus have been hailed as "absolutely superb" by the health secretary.

Matt Hancock said the study shows "vaccines are the way out of this pandemic".

It is the first time a vaccine has been shown to reduce transmission of the virus.

The UK has given a first Covid jab to more than 10 million people so far.

The results of the study, which has not yet been formally published, suggest that the vaccine may have a "substantial" effect on transmission of the virus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55913913

Posted by
580 posts

I was afraid the US would eventually make it to the list of countries having to quarantine upon arrival. Another reason for me to cancel my June UK trip to visit family.

Posted by
24616 posts

The UK has given a first Covid jab to more than 10 million people so far.

updated numbers are higher

16,423,082

Posted by
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I'm staggered the US is not on the UK's 'red list' and the UAE is. The UAE has vaccinated over half its population and the prevelance in the UAE and death rate per capita is a lot lower than the US as well as the testing being significantly higher as well. I'm struggling with the logic here.

Posted by
5510 posts

I couldn't find a reference for the criteria used to determine what countries should be on the red list. But there was one mention in a Daily Mail article (re: US might be put on list) that says:

It comes after an analysis carried out by the World Health Organization found dozens of countries where the highly infectious South African and Brazilian variants had been found were not on the Government's high-risk list.. . . . "

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I am the proud owner of 2 expensive tickets to the Chelsea Flower Show. Usually held in May this was the first time in 108 years, I think, that they have had to reschedule it. Now it is late Sept. All my hotel booking plans and flights are on hold right now. Hesitate to book as we may not get refunds if we can't get into London! Just waiting.....