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Trains and England Itinerary

Below is my itinerary for England. I am a little concern about the train system in England and since I don't know the exact time I will be catching the train, would there be any problems if I bought the train ticket the day of travel and at the train station? Also I would like any comments on my itinerary.

May 2 rent car and see stonehedge and drive to Bath.
May 3 late morning drive to Stratford upon Avon and then to Cotswold
May 4 around noon leave Cotswold and drive to heathrow to drop rental car off and go to London
May 5 London
May 6 London
May 7 London
May 8 Train to Liverpool
May 9 Liverpool (side trip using train to York)
May 10 Liverpool
May 11 Train back to London
May 12 London - side trip using train to see Dover Cliffs
May 13 London - side trip Cambridge
May 14 London
May 15 return home.

Thanks,
Stephen

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In England train tickets can be expensive, it would save you a lot of money if you made a schedule and bought the tickets ahead of time, there is a link to Eurorail right here on the Rick Steves web site and a very helpful guide as to how to purchase the tickets. Hope you have a great trip, I'll be in York in July and looking forward to taking the train from Edinburgh to York.

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You can look up train times and buy tickets on the National Rail website: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/
For most long distance routes, it is a lot cheaper to buy tickets in advance.

Liverpool to York is a slow dog of a route, it takes 2 hours, which is the same time as it takes from York to London (that is a high speed route). 2 hours each way is a long day trip. I would therefore suggest staying in York and taking a train direct back to London.:

May 8 Train to Liverpool
May 9 Morning: Liverpool, afternoon: train York. Hotel near station.
May 10 York
May 11 Train back to London

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"there is a link to Eurorail right here on the Rick Steves web site "
"Eurorail" are a 3rd party website with dodgy reviews on some travel forums, they're not a charity so you will end up paying more than booking on the official National Rail (or train operating companies) website.

BTW, it's Stonehenge (nothing to do with hedges) and The Cotswolds (a range of hills).

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Looking at the places you intend to visit, I would say that it is only in The Cotswolds that you would really need a car. Doing it by train - you could go London (Waterloo) > Salisbury - then shuttle bus to Stonehenge - back to Salisbury - see cathedral - then train to Bath (or overnight in Salisbury and to Bath in the morning). A day seeing Bath. Next day - hire a car and drive north east into The Cotswolds via Tetbury & Cirencester to stay somewhere near Bourton-on-the-Water/Lower Slaughter/ Chipping Campden/ Broadway. From such a base, you could drive east to visit Blenheim Palace & Oxford (use Park & Ride to reach the centre via shuttle bus). Another day is spent visiting the Cotswold villages and perhaps Hidcote Manor Gardens. Finally, leave your Cotswold base and drive to Stratford-upon-Avon for a morning. Now, you could try and turn in your car here and catch a train to Birmingham (New Street) - where you change for a train to Liverpool - or - see if the car rental can be turned in somewhere else - such as Warwick / Leamington Spa or Birmingham International (Airport) - and then train to Liverpool.

Liverpool to York can be slow going. Also consider going up to Edinburgh from Liverpool. Then back down the east coast mainline to York for a couple of nights. No need to go back to London for Cambridge - take the train from York to Peterborough for a connecting train to Cambridge. (Please note that it sometimes works out cheaper to split the train tickets at any place where you change trains).

So, my suggestion means you do not keep hopping back to London. Check out train fares for each leg at www.nationalrail.co.uk
(Longer journeys are cheaper if pre-booked in advance for specific trains - so check out the prices for 11 weeks ahead of now v those today - if you get up early enough). Of course, you could still hire the car and drive out to Stonehenge and on to Bath. Just make sure that any hotel in Bath has free parking as the city was built long before we had cars!
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/documents/content/routemaps/nationalrailnetworkmap.pdf

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I recently came across a travel diary I had written as a 13 year old some 25 years ago. I was very scathing about the White Cliffs of Dover as we saw them from the ferry terminal. I don't think my opinion would change now. I fear you will be equally disappointed.

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Is May 2nd also the same day that you arrive from an overnight overseas flight?

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I wouldn't recommend driving very far, or at all, on the day you arrive after an overnight flight -- especially if you're not used to driving on the left side. Why not start your trip in London to get over your jet lag without driving?

After that, I think James laid out a very good plan mostly using trains. And Chris suggested a good way to see Liverpool and York without backtracking. Edinburgh is a wonderful city, like many others, but I don't see how you have time.

The famous white cliffs of Dover are hard to see from land, even from Dover. There might be some kind of boat ride to view them but I haven't heard of it. There are similar chalk cliffs elsewhere along the south coast that might be easier to see and experience on a day trip from London, if that's a priority for you. Our UK friends may have some suggestions along that line if you're interested.

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If you are arriving on May 2nd, my advice would be to not hire a car as you will have jet lag. Consider taking the shuttle bus from Heathrow to Woking rail station. Then catch a train to Salisbury and check in to a pre-arranged hotel.

Now look at this map:>https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.8077162,-2.1101044,10.39z/data=!5m1!1e1

Towards the NE you will see Salisbury. Look SW at the coast - can you see West Lulworth? If you were to hire a car, you could drive down to Lulworth Cove. Then walk west to Durldle Dor - or drive around. This section of coast has spectacular white cliffs plus beaches.https://www.lulworth.com/visit/places-to-visit/durdle-door/
https://www.southwestcoastpath.org.uk/walksdb/60/

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Just to reinforce the information provided earlier: You may pay a heavy penalty if you wait to buy your rail tickets after you arrive in England. As I write this, it is 5:30 AM on Tuesday in England. If I bought a ticket right now to travel to Liverpool this morning, it would cost me between £86 and £159. If I didn't want to wait until 9:40 AM, the best I could do would be £145 at 9:05 AM. Those are all one-way fares.

For tomorrow (Wednesday) there are some fares under £40 after 11 AM. For April 16 there are £28 fares available on trains departing at 7:07 AM and 8:07 AM (though many other trains are a lot higher).

Fares are demand-based, so if you happen to be traveling on a Monday or a Friday, or around a holiday, you may be buying from a pool of tickets that no longer has any bargains even if you buy your tickets quite early. For short trips you can sometimes opt for a bus to save money, but that is unlikely to be an attractive proposition between London and Liverpool, given that the trip will take over 6 hours.

I went through this myself last year, but my travel legs were mostly quite short, so I was able to escape bankruptcy with the assistance of some helpful ticket-sellers, one of whom browbeat me (in the nicest possible way) about not waiting till the last minute to buy my tickets.

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Aside from knowing more about train schedules than any other traveller, The Man in Seat 61 offers strategies for stitching together itineraries to save money on the UK's tangle of privatized rail lines. www.seat61.com

My modest proposal is to try out the bus services of National Express for a change of pace. The top of a double-decker "coach" can offer panoramoc views of the countryside. Trains, meanwhile, run in rail cuts through the hills, topped with dense hedgerows, restricting the viewing opportunities. I'm more comfortable on trains, especially for long runs.
https://www.nationalexpress.com/en

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Hope I'm not too late with train ticket info... because this trip looks like two weeks of fun and I wish I was doing it too... HOWEVER - you have set yourself a LOT. If you chose to drive this, it would take MUCH longer so I recommend train as the way to go. You know cars, but this is England.

There are train tickets you can buy OUTSIDE the UK for travel on Britain's railways nationwide, and one you can get in the capital for travel within London on public transport.

BRITAIN - the BritRail pass is US$707 if you use it to travel on 8 days within a calendar month of first activating it (it's the Flexipass option).

https://www.britrail.net/passes/britrail-pass

GET THIS PASS ASAP AND RUSH SHIP IT!

On day 1 you could get the train to Salisbury and then the bus from Salisbury train station to Stonehenge and back again, which lets you enjoy the rolling hills of Wiltshire.

Day 2 and 3, use the rail service to go to Stratford Upon Avon for a dose of The Bard, and to Moreton-in-Marsh for the Cotswolds. There's a day trip you could go on with a local driver and guide. This will give you the authentic local experience with no hassle. At the end of Day 3, that train to London Paddington (trains in the evening at 6.11, 7.40, 8.44, 9.41, with a final one at 11.22pm. Journey time just under 2 hours and the train terminates at Paddington so you can snooze a while). HOWEVER, it does take over 3 hours to get from Salisbury to Stratford on Avon (changing trains at Basingstoke and Leamington Spa).

https://visitbytrain.info/cotswolds/index.htm

Then the London bit is below. It's shorter because I just talk about the best ticket to get.

Side trips by rail on the other days - trains to Liverpool leave from London Euston and take around 2.5 hours each way, and then a side trip to York will add an additional 2+ hours journey from Liverpool (as you'd go through Manchester and Leeds, the width of the north of England!) so for that day you might want to consider a triangle trip (Euston to Liverpool in the early AM, mid-day train to York after a few hours Beatles sightseeing, then a late evening train back to Kings Cross which takes 2 hours in itself).

Trains to the White Cliffs Of Dover take 2 hours as a commuter train from London Victoria direct, or 85 minutes if you get the super rapid train from St.Pancras to Ashford and then change for the half-hour ride between Ashford and Dover Priory.

The trains to Cambridge leave from just across the street from St.Pancras at the suburban platforms of King's Cross ...which means you'll see Platform nine and three-quarters (fastest trains to Cambridge take under an hour)! You are planning to go to Cambridge on a Sunday... there may be engineering work on the line, and not as much open, so maybe switch the Cambridge trip to the Monday May 14th. That way you do Dover on a Saturday (and people might be going to the seaside on that day so that's a great experience), chill in London for the Sunday, then Cambridge on Monday.

For all your rail timetable (schedule) needs, National Rail website is the best! That's where I planned all this out.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/

LONDON - buy an Oyster card for £5 when you're there. It's an electronic transport card with an RFID chip inside, you load it with payment and the payment is deducted off the total as you scan in and out of stations. It's very 21st Century. For the six days you're there, I recommend putting £50 credit on it. If you just travel in the center, you'll not be charged more than £6.80... if you go to somewhere like Wimbledon for the day, it's slightly further out and that's £8.00 before the card stops deducting further amounts for the day. Use it on buses, the underground, local trains in the local area. You'll love it, traveling around like a local and seeing all the sights.

https://www.londontoolkit.com/briefing/oystercard.htm