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Please check logistics of day trip to Kew Gardens and Richmond

I am in London for 5 nights (but with 5 full days), and want to spend one of them visiting Kew Gardens and Richmond. I'm staying at the Premier Inn County Hall, and will head out early Saturday morning (late March) to Kew Gardens. I would just like someone to check my public transportation plan for any errors.

I plan on walking to Westminster Station to take the District Line tube to Kew Gardens. This should take me to the Kew Gardens station about the time it opens, where I can walk to the Victoria Gate entrance. Will there be a queue in late March? Should I get there earlier?

After touring Kew, I need to get to Richmond. At first I thought about walking, but though I might be tired from walking around Kew, and I plan on walking a 2+ mile section of the Thames Path later. But it looks like I can exit at Victoria Gate, then head to Kew Gardens station and get the District Line again, exiting at Richmond Station, then heading into the town of Richmond. Or would a taxi or ride share be better?

I plan to have lunch (ETA: late lunch) in Richmond and then meander along the Thames Path to Twickenham, where I might have tea, but will then turn around and head back to Richmond Station to take a SW Railway train from there directly to Waterloo Station, where I will then head to my hotel.

So does that make sense? I had originally thought about adding Hampton Court Palace into the mix but knew I would get a big veto there, so I decided to see HCP on another day. 😆

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I plan to have lunch in Richmond and then meander along the Thames Path

Kew Gardens is big and they don’t open until 10am. I think it would be really ambitious to make it to Richmond in time for lunch. This probably depends on your interest in the gardens. I also have only been later in the spring, so don’t know how much will be blooming in March.

Will there be a queue in late March? Should I get there earlier?

Anecdotal only. The last time I visited there was a queue to buy tickets. There was no queue if you had bought a ticket online. I did not arrive right before opening and I suspect this varies.

and will head out early Saturday morning

I’d suggest adding some flexibility to your plan in case the Saturday is a rainy day; I’d want to plan the Kew trip on a day with good weather.

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Why not get an SWT train back directly from Twickenham station to Waterloo station, or there are several bus routes link Twickenham with Richmond station.

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save your pegs. When you go out either gate of Kew Gardens there is a bus stop right across the street (nearly) served by the 65 (frequent) and 110 (less frequent) buses which whisk you right into the centre of Richmond in 5 minutes, the third stop from Lion Gate.

Agreed - Twickenham has a decent train into town, as does Richmond. No need to backtrack unless you want to.

Also agreed - former Kew Gardens member here - that Kew Gardens is H-U-G-E. Don't underestimate the time it may take to see the palace, the pagoda, the redwood forest, the alpine house, the temperate house, the giant water lily, and that just scratches the top of best bits of the surface. 2 hours is on the short side.

Current member of Historic Royal Palaces here - I would never advise to skip Hampton Court Palace, but it is also a big place especially if you include the grounds and the gardens and the Wilderness.

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I'm not sure why you expect a veto on Hampton Court. I always recommend it having enjoyed it myself many times. I'm sure there are outliers, but take a look and decide for yourself.

Re Kew, I agree with the others. Kew is huge and every corner is worth exploring (IMHO). I have spent full days exploring and enjoying multiple times. Weather might have an impact on plans also. Kew has good indoor spaces and exhibits, don't skip if it totally if the weather is less than ideal for walking/strolling. I am quite an ambitious walker and sight-seer, but the plan you've laid out makes me tired to contemplate - but, I am not you! I have just learned from sad experience to reign myself in.

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I don't think Mardee meant she expected a big veto on seeing Hampton Court entirely, rather, a veto on trying to see Kew Gardens, Richmond and Hampton Court on all the same day. Which is too much.

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I can't help, but commenting as a reminder to follow the post. Thanks to Ted Lasso were thinking of basing in Richmond next visit to London and wondering about transportation options.

As for Hampton Court, we spent 6 hours there so in my opinion it's day trip in itself. I can't wait to go back.

Already looking forward to the Trip Report.

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I went to Kew Gardens in early August 2019. It was a Thursday with nice weather. There was a Chihuly exhibition running, and I was a bit concerned about a ticket line; a friend was with me, and the 2-for-1 deal required us to buy tickets at Kew. It turned out not to be a problem; there may have been about 3-5 folks in front of us, not more.

Saturday could be quite a different story if the weather's good, even in March. I bet most of the folks at Kew are locals. You might consider buying a ticket online that morning.

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forgot to mention about crowds getting in to Kew in March. I'd guess no problem - they have several windows and I've never seen a real problem. Certainly not in off season. At opening time there will be a flurry as the crowd from the tube and the train arrive, just means you need to move a tiny bit faster than the bulk of the crowd, small or large...

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Wow, I went to a doctor appointment and came back to loads of good advice!

Laura, I should have clarified that. I did mean a late lunch; probably around 2 pm. I knew there would be no way I'd be done in 2 hours. But I will be done in 4. I can't do one place for more than that. I get overstimulated and have a brain meltdown. So that's why I was thinking I'd stop about 2-ish and take a lunch break in Richmond.

With regards to the weather, I will try to be flexible but I'm also aware that March weather is probably not going to be at its best. But once I get there, I'll check out the weather for the week. I do have Thursday morning free now, because I totally forgot that I swapped out the Tower for Kew. So maybe I'll just switch those days and leave Saturday as a day to see some last-minute sights. Thanks!

Stuart, that never occurred to me. See, this is why I come to you guys! Thank you!

Nigel, I keep forgetting to get the buses and that sounds SO much faster than the tube did. And I did forget to mention in my original post that I planned to eat lunch around 2 pm or even later. I maybe have a quick stop for a snack while I'm touring Kew Gardens. And yes, I have no intent to skip HCP. I saw it back in 1996 and loved it so much! I didn't think I'd be able to work it in but I managed it. Thanks!!

ORDtraveler, As Slate mentioned below, I expected everyone to tell me that Kew, HCP and Richmond were too much for one day. I agree, so I moved Hampton Court Palace to another day. And yes, I know Kew is huge so I'm planning to allot 4 hours at least to it (I will have a late lunch around 2 or thereabouts).

Slate, ha, yes, that is correct! I am not skipping HCP, and have moved it to another day. :)

Allan, I think Richmond would be so much fun to base in. It's too late for me on this trip, but maybe one in the future. And yes, I already have plans to visit some Ted Lasso spots. In fact, I plan to eat lunch at The Prince's Head, which was the pub featured on the show and get a quick photo of 11A Paved Court (his apartment).

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acraven, yeah, I think that I'm going to move the Kew trip to earlier in the week just so I have some flexibility with the weather. Hopefully that will help with the crowds as well. Thanks!

Nigel, thank you! Very good to know! I grew up with 6 siblings so I'm very adept at maneuvering my way through crowds. 😊

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Slate and Mardee - thanks for clarifying! I obviously wasn't on the same wavelength!

I have seen people "diss" Hampton Court as a pleasant day out of London on other forums, so thought maybe there was a bias on this board that I hadn't encountered before.

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ORDtraveler, I can understand you thinking that. I wasn't very clear in my post. And I have also read a few disparaging things about it in places, but could not understand why. I loved HCP when I first traveled to England in 1996 and cannot wait to see it again. And I am very sure I will be coming back in 2025 with 2 of my grandkids, so I figured I had to get a solo look at it before then. 😊

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"I have seen people "diss" Hampton Court as a pleasant day out of London on other forums, so thought maybe there was a bias on this board that I hadn't encountered before."

I think the only negative comments I've ever seen on this forum regarding Hampton Court Palace are that people sometimes want to combine it with other big sites - like Windsor - and not give it it's due!

Mardee, I'm glad you are slotting Kew in earlier and fingers crossed it's a lovely day!

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Pam, thanks! Yes, fingers crossed indeed! At least now I've got it slated for Thursday, so if the weather is bad, I can fit something else in there, and move Kew back a day or two. I wouldn't mind nice weather for HCP also!

Btw, is the Great Vine still there? I don't see much mention of it on websites, but that was such a cool thing to see the last time. So big and so old!

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oh the Great Vine is most definitely there in all its glory! A Big-un is how I describe it!

Sorry to say I don't think there will be any leaves on it in March though.... come back in September for the harvest and you can buy the newly harvested grapes

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Well, Nigel....that means I need to schedule a Sept trip sometime, hahaha!! Just what I need, more excuses, hahaha!!

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Oh, me, too! I didn't realize you could buy the grapes--now that would be something!

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the grapes don't last in the shop very long - they are in demand by regulars. Lovely mellow table grapes

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quoting from the official webpage https://www.hrp.org.uk/hampton-court-palace/whats-on/the-great-vine

The Great Vine, Vitis vinifera 'Schiava Grossa' (synonym: Black Hamburg), is now 250 years old and is the largest grape vine in the world. It was planted in 1768 while Lancelot 'Capability' Brown was in charge of the gardens at Hampton Court.

THE HISTORY OF THE GREAT VINE
Lancelot 'Capability' Brown directed the planting of the Great Vine from a cutting taken at Valentines Mansion in Essex.

In 1887 it was already 1.2 metres (4') around the base. It is now four metres (13') around the base and the longest rod is 36.5 metres (120').

The Vine is grown on the extension method where one plant fills a glasshouse, as Victorian gardeners thought this method would produce a larger crop.

The average crop of black dessert grapes is about 272 kilograms (600lbs), however in the autumn of 2001 it was 383 kilograms (845 lbs) - the best crop ever.

Queen Victoria had grapes from the Great Vine sent to the Royal Household at Windsor or to Osbourne House on the Isle of Wight. The decision to allow them to be sold to visitors was made by Edward VII, who decided the Royal Household no longer needed them. Later they were sold in small wicker baskets at St. Dunstans, the home for soldiers blinded in the First World War.

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Interesting, Nigel! I did know it was the oldest vine but did not know all those other facts. Very cool!

Southam, I have been on tfl's website and plotted my transport, but sometimes I miss stuff so always like to check here (and as it turned out, I'm glad I did). :-) Thanks!

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Here's the Number 65 bus that Nigel mentioned earlier.
This gives the route on a map, as well as listing the stops.
https://tfl.gov.uk/bus/route/65/?input=65%20towards%20ealing%20broadway&direction=inbound

Richmond Station, as well as having trains, is the end of the line (on this branch) of the District line tube.
This is the quick and easy route into London.
Heading into London, you will soon be at the following stations: Hammersmith, Baron's Court, Earls Court, South Kensington, Victoria, and Westminster--which is your jumping off point to get back to your hotel, Mardee.

Take a look at the diagram of the District line, and you will see it can be quite useful to you on this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_line#/media/File:District_Line_&_London_map.svg

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For anyone wanting to stay in Richmond for a visit to London, you just have to know there will be a commute in to go to museums and attractions.
Take into consideration rush hour on the trains and tubes going in in the mornings and back out in the afternoon.

The Richmond Station is your transportation hub in and out of Richmond. Near the station there's a Doubletree by Hilton, I believe, and a Premier Inn.

Hotels I have researched in years past with thoughts of staying there are:
Richmond Hill Hotel, 144-148 Richmond Hill, Richmond--right in the middle of the riverfront
area with restaurants etc. All great reviews.

The Petersham Hotel, Nightingale Ln, on a hill overlooking the riverfront. Pricey but very nice.

The riverfront is where it's all happening. Lots of pubs and restaurants. Lovely views to sit and admire near Richmond Bridge.

What drew me there the first time I went were the remains of the Palace of Richmond.
Originally the home of Henry the 7th, father of Henry the 8th. Now only the gatehouse stands, but it's worth going to Richmond to see. You can't venture through it and beyond, because now it's private property.
However, it's a lovely remnant of the Tudor era...the gatehouse, I mean.

Richmond Palace was also a favorite home of Queen Elizabeth I and it is where she died.
The palace was between Richmond Green and the Thames River. The palace backed up to the river, and it was by boat that the royal family sometimes traveled to and from London.

Have a look at the Visit Richmond website...it's full of great information.
Great places to eat and drink here, some on the riverfront with a great view:
https://www.visitrichmond.co.uk/food-and-drink
https://www.visitrichmond.co.uk/plan-your-stay
https://www.visitrichmond.co.uk/explore
https://www.visitrichmond.co.uk/plan-your-visit

Mardee and Allan, I hope my post is useful to you.

My interest in Richmond predates the Ted Lasso show by about 30 years.

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If I want a London bus timetable this is the style I use as I personally find this style easier to use than the TfL website- http://www.londonbusroutes.net/times/065full.pdf

and this for the 110-http://www.londonbusroutes.net/times/110.htm

and this is what I use to live track and tell me what vehicle is on any given working (anywhere in the UK) - https://bustimes.org/services/65-kingston-richmond-kew-bridge-brentford-south-ea

That is what I turn to when things are going wrong, and I need to know why- if I can find public wi-fi, not on an everyday basis, although I know people who do use it on every journey every day.

The 65 is now an all electric fleet in ordinary service conditions.

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I've been trying for many years to get people on the forum to go see
the Richmond Palace gatehouse....so far, no one has had any interest.

I'm likely 18 months minimum from my next London trip; just because we keep coming up with ideas of places we haven't been yet, but I've made a note of it. This is the kind of stuff I love to come across.

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Rebecca, thank you for the route and the link to the number 65 bus . And also the district line info. I did know that the district line ends at Richmond as I checked that when I thought about taking it to Hampton Court Palace. But I have that one covered, as the train goes directly there from Waterloo. I love those routes where I don’t have to change midway!

Also, thank you for all the information on Richmond. I knew that Elizabeth I died at Richmond Palace, and I was planning to visit the gatehouse. But it's so helpful to have those links and additional info! And wouldn’t it be cool to live in one of those apartments? So much information there. I look forward to going through all the links and reading everything. Thank you again!

Stuart, thanks for your links as well! That will all be very helpful! I also checked out Twickenham station, and yes, you are right, I can take it directly to Waterloo! So now I don’t have to backtrack.

I am so looking forward to this trip! I will probably be doing the same day trip next year when I have my two grandkids with me. But then I won’t have to ask so many questions. Hopefully!

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Next time when you have a few more days you can explore Richmond Park, a Royal Park, with its herds of over 600 wild red and fallow deer which have been there since the time of King Charles I (he who got careless and lost his head at Banqueting House in Whitehall) and the magnificent Isabella Plantation also in the Park.

If anybody wants to be a temporary local, Richmond Park is the place to do it. I love it there.

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Richmond Park and Richmond Green are places to keep an eye out for a certain celebrity....Sir David Attenborough. He lives in Richmond and is frequently seen sitting on a bench at the edge of Richmond Green.

Mardee, you're welcome. Glad to help out.

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Mardee, yes, Waterloo Station is the place to start your trip to Hampton Court Palace. You can tap in with your Oyster card (if that ls what you're using) and ride to Hampton Court, then tap out with Oyster.
No, I would never suggest that the District line is a way to get to Hampton Court!

For anyone who is interested, one can take a boat ride from Hampton Court Palace to Richmond.
Or from HCP to London.
(The reverse also; boat from London to Richmond, or onward to Hampton Court Palace.)
It is not by any means the fastest way, but I like it for the scenery, riverside houses and birdwatching.

And Mardee, yes, it would be great to live in Richmond!

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There is a long history of English kings occupying the site of Richmond Palace.
Richmond was called Shene in medieval times, and there was a royal manor there, Shene Manor. It was occupied by King Edward I and his descendants.
Edward I is buried in Westminster Abbey and is also known as "Edward Longshanks" and "The Hammer of the Scots". He is the English King who had Braveheart, William Wallace executed.
Edward I built many of the castles in Wales, such as the two you will see on the Rick Steves Best of England tour.

Shene Manor was inhabited by his son, Edward II, then Edward III who died at Shene, then Richard II. King Richard II's wife died while they were living there, so he tore it down to the ground in a fit of grief.

Next to build on that exact spot was King Henry V, building a great palace that he named Sheen Palace. It was later occupied by King Henry VI.
It later came into the possession of King Edward IV and his wife Elizabeth Woodville. It was her home after he died, as he left it to her in his will, for her lifetime. They were the grandparents of Henry VIII, the parents of his mother, Elizabeth.
Princess Elizabeth married Henry Tudor--King Henry VII--and their son was Henry VIII.
She is referred to as Elizabeth of York, helpful when you are trying to keep all the Elizabeths straight.

King Edward IV and his wife Queen Elizabeth Woodville are buried at Windsor in St. George's Chapel. (Go to the left of the altar and look for a black stone with gold letters and there they are.)
King Henry VII and his Queen Elizabeth (of York) are buried in Westminster Abbey.
Henry VIII is buried at Windsor in St. George's Chapel.

When Henry VII was living at Sheen Palace, there was a fire that destroyed some of the place. When he rebuilt it and made it more grand, he changed the name to Richmond Palace, as he was the Earl of Richmond (in Yorkshire) before becoming king.
He also changed the name of the manor and town from Sheen/Shene (spelled either way is correct) to Richmond.

Others who have spent time at Richmond palace:
Cardinal Wolsey--had apartments here, after giving Hampton Court Palace to King Henry.
Henry VIII and his wives; esp. Anne of Cleves as this was her residence after the divorce.
Mary I, as a child spent Christmas there and then as Queen on her honeymoon.
Elizabeth I--favorite residence and died here.
Shakespeare--During the reign of Elizabeth I, his theatre company performed plays at Richmond Palace.
James I
Charles I---After his beheading, Parliament sold the palace for scrap; it was broken up and the stone and fixtures sold off. What remained of the palace was destroyed during the English Civil War.
James II---ordered a partial rebuild to be used as a nursery. From this, there remains the Trumpeters' House (built around 1700); not open to the public.

One more tidbit--in the 1300's, Geoffrey Chaucer served as a yeoman/farmer/archer at Sheen in his youth. As a worker or servant.

The gate that is left of Richmond Palace marks a location where much history has taken place. To whomever takes an interest and goes there; I hope you enjoy knowing the history there, when you pause to see the gatehouse.

Mardee, you may be interested in this or not. Anyhow, my apologies for taking up way too much space on your thread with my post.

P.S. A scale model of Richmond Palace can be seen at the Museum of Richmond, in the Old Town Hall, Whittaker Avenue, north of Richmond Bridge.
And the shorter PDF version of Richmond's history:https://www.richmond.gov.uk/media/6334/local_history_richmond_palace.pdf

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We love Richmond and have been several times over the years. We’ve also done the Richmond to Twickenham Thames walk as a one way and round trip walk. When you get to Twickenham take a little detour at the bridge over to Eel Pie Island, a funky artist and music community. Then walk up the street towards the Twickenham station or take a local bus. The TFL app will give you good options.

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ORDtraveler, you're welcome. Thanks for your kind comment.

Mona, glad you have enjoyed Richmond!

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Thanks, Rebecca. I'm interested. I recently caught a Time Team episode (on YouTube) on Richmond Palace. Putting this on my visit list.

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Rebecca, I agree with you that Richmond is a great spot. On the suggestion of a colleague who was from there, we did a day trip there on our last London trip in December 2019 and loved it. We had a great riverside walk and pub lunch and toured around on the bus a bit before taking the Tube back. Next year we plan to start our stay there from Heathrow and hope to stay at The Petersham (for our easing out of jet lag hotel). So much to explore.

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Debbie, I am delighted that you are interested in Richmond!
You won't be disappointed!
Claire, so glad you enjoyed Richmond!
The Petersham is an excellent hotel.

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Well the above instructions are woefully out of date, given the length of time Terminal 1 has been closed for.

But more seriously still bus X26 is now part of the superloop network and has been renumbered SL7, now with an enhanced frequency of every 15 minutes. I am surprised at Rebecca not noticing such things.
The 490 runs every 20 minutes. Real journey times are 9 minutes on the SL7, whatever time to switch at Hatton Cross then 55 minutes off peak on the 490.

A bit more in the peak.

To Richmond it will cost £1.75 using the bus hopper fare on Oyster/ contactless.
Coming back you will get timed out, so from Hatton Cross to T2/3 either use the free travel zone tube or the free bus H30 which runs every 20 minutes.

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isn31c and Rebecca,

Thank you for the transportation info! We may do the easiest, a taxi, as we will be quite jet lagged (neither of us sleeps on the plane) but will definitely use the Tube and buses the rest of the time. Looking forward to dusting off our Oyster cards:)

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Mardee, you may be interested in this or not. Anyhow, my apologies for taking up way too much space on your thread with my post.

Rebecca, you should know me well enough by now to know that I am NEVER upset by too much information - especially historical info! Even if I can't use it now, I will certainly keep it for the future. This is all great stuff to have! Thanks so much!

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Mardee, you're welcome! I do hope it's of interest to you.

Claire, If you want a car service look at Blackberry Cars. Book ahead of time. https://www.blackberrycars.com/

"I am surprised at Rebecca not noticing such things."
isn31c, I was depending upon the website Visit Richmond to have correct information.
A big mistake, I guess.
I do not have the skills you do to check all bus transportation information across other websites.
Thank you, isn31c, for correcting the information. We don't want travelers having out-of-date information! That was clearly not my intention.
Many thanks to you, isn31c, for all the great information you share here on the forum!

I have deleted my post which was a copy/paste of transportation info on the Visit Richmond website--and was fully credited to them by me.
(Their webmaster needs to do a correction of the info they're giving out.)

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Rebecca,

I don't like to get involved in external websites, but I have just sent a note to the Visit Richmond webmaster about this matter, seeing as we have identified the issue.

The X26/SL7 is on my mind as I was originally meant to be on it last Thursday (before other matters changed my route), and a friend lives on the route and quite frequently uses it.

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Rebecca, I almost always assume that a major website run by the tourist industry would be updating stuff like that. So no worries at all!

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I often stay at the Richmond PI when I head to London.

I do so because I love Richmond Park. Easy peasy 25 minute stroll from the Premier Inn. Entry via the Kings Gate path adjacent to the East Sheen Cemetary.

I also stay here because I’ve done all the London sights and advise Richmond is not the place to stay if you’re a first time visitor to London. Its a good 25 minute tube ride to Westminster.

Prior to the Ted Lasso series Richmond wasn’t filled with tourists.

As noted Kew Gardens is massive. I’ve visited more than once and still haven’t seen all of it.

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We didn’t make it to Richmond on our visit last summer. Ran out of gas physically unfortunately and decided to stay in London. After reading this thread, I’m regretting that decision! But…it’s now on my list to put in the beginning of our next trip there as a day trip, or even stay there as a base! What great information everyone has shared! You all need to start your own tour company! 😊

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Mardee, I know! You would indeed think a major tourist website would get it right!

isn31c, many thanks for sending a note to the webmaster of Visit Richmond!

Claudia, you and Nigel are our resident experts on Richmond and Richmond Park! (And Kew Gardens, too!)
With your many visits there and walks exploring the Richmond area, you know the place like the back of your hand.
I have enjoyed all of your trip reports, but my favorite parts are always about Richmond.
And those wonderful pubs!

Mustlovedogs, you have a treat in store for your next trip! I think you'll like Richmond.

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Thanks so much, everyone, for all your help! I think I have it all down now. Plus I have gotten so much wonderful information on Richmond, and it's killing me that I can't spend more time here. But I definitely will be heading back next year!

  • I'll be taking the tube from Westminster Station to Kew Gardens station.
  • After spending time at Kew Gardens, I will exit via Victoria or Lions Gate, cross the street and catch one of the 2 buses that runs there (probably 65 but maybe 110) to Richmond.
  • I will have a late lunch at The Prince's Head, then stroll around town to visit a few Ted Lasso places but also Richmond Palace.
  • Then I will walk along the Thames Path to Twickenham, stopping at Ham House and a number of other places (plus find a cafe).
  • From there, I will pick up the SW Railway train at Twickenham Station and take it back to Waterloo Station.
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I don't think that I knew that Ham House is on your list.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/london/ham-house-and-garden?campid=GMBCentralWebsiteLSEHam-House-and-Garden#place-opening-times

On that page is a link to a scenic walk from Richmond to Ham House. I like it there a lot - and the cafe has some scrummy nosh - and there is loads to see in the house (the property is National Trust) but their opening hours calendar is only to the end of the year and it is too late tonight for me to dig out the National Trust Handbook to check hours for late March. Remind me tomorrow.

Most National Trust properties shut after Christmas until around Easter so I must check for you....

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Nigel, thanks! I don’t think I had mentioned it but I did plan on going there. For one thing I’m getting a National Trust membership. Well actually, a Royal Oak membership, which I guess is the US version. And I think the walk you’re talking about is one I’ve already planned on doing. It’s the one that goes along with Thames and passes Corporation Island and then Eel Island (or whatever that’s called). And then it goes along past Ham House. It looks interesting with a nice history. And I’m so glad you mentioned the café, because I was definitely going to be looking for one so I will plan on having a little nosh there. Thank you!

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Eel Pie Island, which has a really fascinating history. So named from a time when eels were widely eaten. It was a p!easure resort with a resident Jazz band well into the 1960's.

Corporation Island was visited by the Beatles. Hopefully you will see the Herons who nest there.

In between are the Flower pot Islands.

All the Thames islands are also known as Aits, in the case of Eel Pie Island, Twickenham Ait. Ait being the Old English word for Island.

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To close the matter out- I have just had a response from Visit Richmond to my e-mail about the transportation information, and they are going to update their website accordingly. So thanks (from Visit Richmond and me) for the team work which brought this matter to light.

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Further to Ham House - I have been unsuccessful at finding when Ham House is planned to come out of its winter hibernation.

Most places are "put to bed" after Christmas (or earlier) for the winter and are back in circulation by Easter.

I tried telephoning Ham House to ask directly but they are unmanned and shut for part of this week for filming, which brings in such valuable income. National Trust is still reeling from the effects of the covid lockdowns and consequent loss of staff both to illness (lots of Long Covid still around) and belt tightening (many staff were made redundant during the pandemic and not rehired) not helped by the cost of living crisis, so many properties are opened many fewer days, some only once a week now.

The online opening hours calendar only goes through Christmas, and although I then called the headquarters at Heelis they don't know anything after Christmas either.

This year they reopened at the end of February but so far as 2024 it appears nobody knows.

I can try calling the property again towards the end of the week and see if I get any joy..... if so I will post.

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Nigel, that is so nice of you to check - thank you! And I don't really have to know for awhile, either. I don't leave till March 18th so I've got plenty of time. :) So I don't want you to feel like you have to rush on my account.

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Rebecca!! I was just coming on to link that, hahha!! Great minds....

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Pam! You know I love the A Lady In London articles!!
I think you're the person who told me about her in the first place.
Yes, great minds think alike!
That afternoon tea at the Petersham in Richmond looks very good.
The photos in the article have lovely looking sandwiches and scones in them.
Lady gives it high marks.

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I've just checked and the schedules for National Trust places in 2024 are now up.

Ham House and Garden is open every day in the month of March. Yay!

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Oh, that's awesome!! Thank you so much for checking, Nigel! I am really looking forward to this day trip!

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I have just checked and Visit Richmond have updated their website accordingly.

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Mardee,
I had to drag myself out of Kew and Hampton! I went to Kew the end of May and Hampton in June. There wasn’t a que at Kew the day I visited.

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Diane, I just saw this - thanks very much! That is good to know! I don't think there will be a school break then, either, as it's the week right before Palm Sunday.