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My plan for London in 3 days - suggestions?

Mon, May 9th

7:30 Arrive at Heathrow by plane, go through immigration/customs, buy Oyster Card

9:00 Tube to Trafalgar Square

10:15 Westminster walk to Houses of Parliament

11:00 Houses of Parliament

12:30 St. James, Green Park and Buckinham Palace (not entering)

14:00 Tube to South Kensington Station

14:30 Museum of Natural History

16:00 Victoria & Albert Museum

18:00 Albert Hall (not entering) and memorial

18:30 Hyde Park

20:30 Tube to YHA Oxford Street, check-in

21:30 Dinner at Soho district

Tue, May 10th

8:00 Tube to Covent Garden

8:45 Kill some time in Covent Garden

10:00 National Gallery

11:30 Lunch on Trafalgar Square

12:30 British Museum

15:00 British Library (Treasures)

16:30 Tube to Piccadilly Circus

17:30 Explore Soho and shop a little

20:00 Dinner

Wed, May 11th

8:00 Tube to St. Paul's

8:30 St. Paul's Cathedral (not entering)

9:30 Monument of Fire

10:00 Tower of London

13:00 Tower Bridge

14:30 Thames River Cruise to Westminster Pier

16:00 Westminster Abbey

18:30 London Eye

20:00 Houses of Parliament at Night

21:00 Tube back to Soho and dinner

Thu, May 12th

8:00 Tube to St. Pancras Station

9:00 Eurostar train to Paris

Observations:

  • Times are for when each thing starts, and are just estimates, I understand some things can go wrong and I might have to skip a thing or two
  • When I don't say "Tube", it means I'll walk to the next destination
  • I'm packing light (under 5kg/10 pounds)

Questions:

  • At what time should I enter the London Eye to get a good night view of the city?
  • Buying tickets online in advance will get me inside the attractions as quickly as if I had a London Pass?
  • Can you take pictures inside the National Gallery? I know you can't at Westminster Abbey and at the treasure rooms of the British Library and Tower of London.
  • Any suggestions to change the itinerary?

Thanks!

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  1. On your arrival, you could go straight to your hostel and drop off your bag. Then you'd be much more comfortable in the London crowds.

  2. The tube is fast, but crowded and you don't see anything. I prefer taking buses whenever possible. The view from upstairs in the heated/air conditioned buses are the first class way around town.

  3. Consider checking out the changing of the guard. I think it's only on even days. It's a spectacle of people watching.

  4. If you go in St. Paul's and climb the dome there are incredible views with an included light workout. It's my preference over the more expensive London Eye with it's long lines. Walking the south bank of the Thames at night to get killer views of the skyline is another good option for evening views.

  5. Cabinate War Rooms are one of the more impactful sites in London that's not on your list. There's also a great cafeteria at Inn the Park across the street.

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I've kind of lost track of your whole plan, but if you are arriving from the US or Canada on your day one I'm not sure you will be able to do everything on your list for that day. I would not be able to handle doing all those museums at the end of the day when I might be jet-lagged. I would probably do your Covent Garden plans that afternoon as it may be easier to do without concentrating. I stayed near Covent Garden in September and walked around there in the early mornings and it is extremely quiet. The shrine to St. Arbucks is open and that's about it!

You could add in the Cabinet War Rooms as suggested above on your day 1 as you will be in the area.

I would decide which sights are most important to you each day and work to see them. For instance, is there something in particular you want to see at the British Library? Otherwise, you might want to spend the rest of the day at the British Museum. If there is something special at the British Library, go there first, see that and then move on to the British Museum

I am not sure I would spend the time to go to St Pauls if you are not going inside altho there is a nice walk from St Pauls to the Monument cutting thru back streets. In the area of St Pauls, you can also walk to the GuildHall and see some other interesting sights if you do some research ahead of time. I think there are some pieces of the Roman Wall in that area if you have an interest in Roman Britain.

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Emma:

Museum of Natural history for 1.5 hours and V and A for 2 hours- you
aren't going to even touch a quarter of what there is to see. If you
only have this amount of time do some research before you get here to
focus in on what you want to actually see. The Natural History museum
is also likely to be unpleasantly busy as some schools will be on
holiday. I also think one museum straight after another will be a bit
of a killer especially when you take jet lag into account.

I'm mostly interested in the dinossaurs, but from what I've seen they don't have a large collection. Should take 1 hour or less, and then I can spend 2,5 hours at V&A. I know it's impossible to see everything in that time, nor do I want to.

Not sure what you want to spend 2 hours doing in Hyde Park? 930 for
dinner is maybe a little late especially with jet lag. There are a
huge number of options so again i would do some research and choose
somewhere to go rather than wandering in a daze.

It's close to the museums and there isn't much to do after 6pm. Sounds like a good place to relax after hours of museums. I put 2 hours just to have some flexibility. I'll probably check out the round pond then walk to the nearest station.

Does jet lag really affect you if you prepare yourself to be in the correct timezone when you arrive? I've never spent more than 2 hours in a plane so I don't know.

Covent garden won't really be open much before 10am. It might make
more sense to go there in the evening when it is lively and the shops
are open.

It was just to kill time anyway. How about this: I'll do the Wesminster walk early the following day. That will give more time on day one and give me something to do before the National Gallery opens.

And then I might check out Covent Garden in the evening of the first day instead of waste 2 hours at Hyde Park.

Walking in London, whilst good to get a bit of atmosphere, is often a
waste of time. The city has an excellent bus network. you still get to
see the city but faster(sometimes) and in more comfort. Use the TFL
journey planner tool to research routes and options

What part do you suggest me to take a bus? The only kinda big walk I see is from British Museum to the Library, and even then it would take about 15min according to TFL - the same time I would take walking.

Nordheim:

On your arrival, you could go straight to your hostel and drop off
your bag. Then you'd be much more comfortable in the London crowds.

I might do this. I don't think it will be necessary though. I'll decide this after I've done some testing in my city with my backpack full.

Consider checking out the changing of the guard. I think it's only on
even days. It's a spectacle of people watching.

Don't really care about this, but since I moved the Westminster walk to the next day I'll probably be at Buckingham at 11:30 anyway.

If you go in St. Paul's and climb the dome there are incredible views
with an included light workout. It's my preference over the more
expensive London Eye with it's long lines. Walking the south bank of
the Thames at night to get killer views of the skyline is another good
option for evening views.

St. Paul's doesn't open at night though, and doing it at daylight looks a bit inconvenient to my schedule. I'll only do London Eye if the weather is good.

Cabinate War Rooms are one of the more impactful sites in London
that's not on your list. There's also a great cafeteria at Inn the
Park across the street.

I had it, but removed it. I don't have whole lot of interest in WWII and like every London paid attraction, it's not cheap. Not sure it's worth the 17 pounds to someone like me.

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Pam:

I'll be arriving from Brazil.

British Library for the treasures, but it's a shame you can't take pictures.

I put it after the Museum because it's close to a Metro and I can get out of there quickly. Seems better than walking all the way up to the Library then back down to the Museum.

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Part of jet lag is the long flight plus however long it takes you to get to your departure airport combined with whether you are able to sleep on the plane. Even if you slip your sleep/wake time if you cant sleep on the plane you might be awake for many, many hours. This is what fatigues me. How many hours is your International flight?

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With increased security in London, you will probably not be allowed to enter museums with luggage.

I think that you are trying to cover too many different places and will have little time to see anything properly. Work out what is key for you. Personally, I would not bother with the changing of the guard.

It will be dark c 8pm at that time of year, but with so much light pollution, London doesn't get really dark.

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Psyche,

I was going to make the same point that Jennifer mentioned. You might want to stop at your Hostel first and drop-off your luggage, as some museums or other sights may have a problem with Backpacks due to "security concerns". It will be a nuisance to be touring around London with a backpack anyway.

Is there a reason you're packing under 5 kg? You would probably be fine with a slightly heavier load.

For travel on the EuroStar, the usual rule is to arrive at least 30 minutes prior to departure. However, with the current situation, I'd suggest at least 45 minutes to an hour. Keep in mind you'll be going through airport style security and also French Passport Control at London St. Pancras.

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But the luggage in this case is a backpack. How is it different than a day pack? Won't I have to leave that somewhere as well?

Ken:

The reason is that I live in a small city with no direct flights so I have to do a short flight to São Paulo in a brazilian airline before the actual London flight, and those have a 5kg limit for carry-on bags. I've done some packing tests and it's possible to take everything I need in that weight limit.

Pam:

1 hour flight to São Paulo, then a 2 hour wait, then 11 hour flight to London.

Posted by
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Natural History Museum + V&A + National Gallery + British Museum + British Library ... all in two days, and while possibly coping with jet lag ?? Good luck.

YHA Oxford St has luggage store. Go there first. Spend the rest of your day unencumbered.

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So here are my thoughts about jet lag, and do know it affects everyone differently and can affect you differently each time you fly. You've got 14 hours starting from your first flight plus the additional time needed to get to the airport and whatever time you will have been awake that morning. Then you've got activity planned until perhaps 2330 on your arrival day so a 16 hr day planned in London. You may be able to sleep for a solid 7 hours on your flight and be fine and good to go. You may be so excited you have restless sleep and may not manage 30 hours of being awake.

All I want you to think about is being kind to yourself on your first day and be ready to forego a good bit of your afternoon museum-going. Your plan may work fine or you may need to be ready to do some flexing and head to your hostel earlier that you planned for some sleep.

By the way every person on this board has a different plan for what works for them to get over jet lag.

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I would avoid any museums on your first day.
Schedule the London Eye for any evening if that is your preference.
Choose either V&A, or Natural History, I don't think you have time for both (or the British Library).

Mon 9 May
12:30 Westminster Abbey* (Holy Communion - weekdays)
13:30 Houses of Parliament & Big Ben (photo stop only)
14:00 St. James's Park
14:30 Buckingham Palace (photo stop only)
15:30 No 10 Downing Street
16:00 Horse Guards (Four O’Clock Parade)
17:00 Trafalgar Square
18:00 Piccadilly Circus

Tue 10 May
08:28 RB1 Riverboat from Embankment Pier to Tower Pier
09:00 Tower of London
12:00 #15 Red Bus to St Pauls
12:30 St. Paul's Cathedral* (Eucharist - weekdays)
13:30 Monument
14:30 #15 Red Bus to Trafalgar Square
15:00 National Gallery (closes 1800)

Wed 11 May
08:30 Hyde Park
09:30 Albert Memorial / Royal Albert Hall
10:00 V&A (or Natural History Museum)
13:00 Covent Garden (lunch)
14:30 British Museum (closes 1730)

*Worshippers do not pay entry when attending services at Westminster Abbey & St Paul’s.

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I can fly a day early and get an extra full day in London. Flight price is the same and I have the time, just will cost an extra day of food/hostel/transport.

Flight arrival hour is also the same, so I would get 7:30 on a sunday.

Is it worth it? Not sure there's anything else I want to see in the city, but as a safety measure?

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You could use your extra day to do your 1st day's schedule from 1400 on. If you have the time and money an extra day would be great.

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Psyche,

If you can manage with 5 kg, that's great. I've never used airlines in Brazil, but in my experience the airlines rarely weigh luggage (but of course one has to be prepared for them to do that if they have a weight limit).

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Ditto on the extra day. You will be more tired than you expect to be on day one. Spread things out a bit, relax, and enjoy yourself. We spent about 10 days in London last spring, part of it on the RS Best of London tour, and still had a page-long list of things we wanted to see that we didn't have time for! Mostly some of the smaller, quirkier museums, but also some of the biggies. (But we're art and history junkies, so we could move to London and not see everything we want to.)

And dump the backpack. Someone commented that it will be in your way, and more importantly, in other people's way in the tube, on buses, and in museums. Remember a backpack doubles your body size front to back.

We're planning on spending a week or so in London again next spring, and I'm using the same list of "must sees" that I had last time; we didn't have time for any of them!

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How about this?

Sun, 8th

7:30 Arrive at Heathrow

9:00 Tube to Westminster Station

10:30 Houses of Parliament

11:30 St. James and Buckingham Palace

12:30 Tube to Holland Park

13:00 Holland Park & Kyoto Garden

14:30 Tube to YHA, check-in, shower

16:00 Explore Soho district (not shopping)

Mon, 9th

8:00 Tube to Hyde Park

9:00 Albert Hall and Memorial

10:00 V&A Museum

13:00 Quick lunch nearby

13:30 Natural History Museum

15:00 Harrods

17:00 Tube to Oxford St

17:30 Shop for a nice coat

Tue, 10th

8:00 Tube to Westminster

8:30 Houses of Parliament again

9:15 Westminster walk to Trafalgar Square

10:00 National Gallery

11:30 Lunch on Trafalgar Square

13:00 British Museum

15:30 Picnic at Russel Square

16:30 British Library

18:00 Tube to Covent Garden

Wed, 11th

7:30 Collect 1-day London Pass

8:00 St. Paul's Cathedral

9:00 Monument of Fire

9:30 Tower of London

12:00 Tower Bridge

13:30 River Cruise to Westminster Pier

14:30 If time allows: Hop-on/Hop-off Bus Tour blue line (full circle) OR Churchill War Rooms

16:30 Westminster Abbey

18:00 Sea Life Aquarium

19:30 London Eye

20:30 Big Ben at Night

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But the schedule is an improvement. Are you allowing time for serendipity? Are you flexible enough to change things on the fly? But you'll have a wonderful time; London is amazing. Hope you haven't regretted asking for input!

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Emma:

The second time is because I need to kill some time before the National Gallery so I'll do the Westminster walk from there. The first is because since I'm going to pass by Buckingham Palace anyway I might as well get out at Westminster station and have the most iconic London sight be the first thing I see. Also it gives me an extra day for pics in case of bad weather. First day is bonus day now, so no rush.

Russel Square is on the way to the Library, I think it's better to take a little break between museums, even if it's just to eat something. Picnic in this case is no more than a packed sandwich and my water bottle.

A trench coat on sale would be great. It's a hard to find piece of clothing in Brazil, so I'll buy one no matter what.

The last day there's a thing that I'll only do If I manage to arrive at Westminster by 14:30. The Aquarium is not set in stone, but I might need to wait some time before it gets dark enough for the London Eye view I really want.

Jane:

I think the only flexibility that I'll be able to do is switch Monday or Tuesday with Wednesday in case there's rain forecast for Wed.

Of course I don't regret asking for input, I'm actually very thankful for it.

I asked a couple of dumb questions in the opening post that weren't answered, if anyone can confirm this to me:

Buying tickets online in advance will get me inside the attractions as
quickly as if I had a London Pass?

Can you take pictures inside the National Gallery? I know you can't at
Westminster Abbey and at the treasure rooms of the British Library and
Tower of London.

And I have a couple more that are even dumber:

  • What are the rule of thumb best places to refill your water bottle? Do you just enter restaurants and ask for tap water?

  • How long can I expect a full circle in touristy bus tour to last? The London Pass gives me a 24h ticket for a Golden Tours bus tour. This is the route map:

http://www.goldentours.com/UserFiles/file/hoho-map-2015.pdf

I intend to get on the blue line at Westminster and drop at the same place after a full loop.

Well I guess this is it for London then. Thank you all very much!

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I agree that this looks better but probably still full for some days. Your arrival day looks much better to me!

Tuesday: I would probably just walk from the British Library to Covent Garden. You might enjoy lunch at the Cafe in the Crypt at St Martin in the Fields which is just across from the National Gallery.

Wed: Check on the closure time for Westminster Abbey as I think it is around 430 unless you are going to Evensong and then you can't look around except from your seat. I would do Westminster Abbey right after you get off the boat, then the War Rooms. I have not been to the Aquarium but I would probably skip that.

You can take non-flash photos in the National Gallery. There are some pieces that do have restrictions on them. If you are in doubt there are usually lots of guards in the various areas. When I visited in September there was an ongoing employee strike so some of the rooms were closed. My guide on the Rick Steves tour I was on indicated this is a longstanding strike with no end in sight. If you have a certain time period or artist you are interested in, then I would ask at the Information desk when you come in the door to make sure what you want to see is open before you walk to that area.

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/visiting/visitor-photography

I hope you will do a Trip Report when you get back! I would love to know what you enjoy along the way!

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Tuesday: I would probably just walk from the British Library to Covent
Garden.

Really? It's like a half-hour walk. And I will have already walked all the way up to the Library.

Wed: Check on the closure time for Westminster Abbey as I think it is
around 430 unless you are going to Evensong and then you can't look
around except from your seat. I would do Westminster Abbey right after
you get off the boat, then the War Rooms. I have not been to the
Aquarium but I would probably skip that.

Didn't know about the Evensong, better to do the Abbey first then. Still not sure about Churchill War Rooms, I think I would enjoy a top deck bus tour more. Both are included in the pass, so no worries about cost.

The Aquarium I'll only do if I need to kill time. But I probably will have to if I want a night view of the London Eye.

You can take non-flash photos in the National Gallery. There are some
pieces that do have restrictions on them. If you are in doubt there
are usually lots of guards in the various areas. When I visited in
September there was an ongoing employee strike so some of the rooms
were closed. My guide on the Rick Steves tour I was on indicated this
is a longstanding strike with no end in sight. If you have a certain
time period or artist you are interested in, then I would ask at the
Information desk when you come in the door to make sure what you want
to see is open before you walk to that area.
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/visiting/visitor-photography I hope
you will do a Trip Report when you get back! I would love to know what
you enjoy along the way!

I will for sure! Thank you very much.

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Actually, my inexpert and possibly flawed reasoning for walking is that your closest Tube stop to the British Library is Kings Cross/St Pancras. I have not gotten on the tube in that station but it is a pretty big complex and I was thinking it might wind up being as much of a walk to get to the Piccadilly line as would get you half-way to the Covent Garden tube station, lol.

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Hmm, that's interesting. I think I'm underestimating a bit how long I may have to walk when underground.

I decided to ignore the bus tour, because collecting the ticket activates my London Pass. So I would need to pick up the pass on the day I will use it (wednesday) which is very inconvenient to me. It's much better to pick it up on the tuesday when I'll be passing just by the Visit Center is on my way to the British Museum, and only activate it on the following day on the Tower of London.

Good value btw, I'll pay 55 bucks for Tower of London, Tower Bridge, the River Cruise, the Abbey and the War Rooms.

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Is there something special you want to see inside Tower Bridge to want to pay money for it?

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130 posts

Not really but since it's included on the pass why not climb it and walk on the glass floor?

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Nigel posted: Is there something special you want to see inside Tower Bridge to want to pay money for it?

Psyche replied: Not really but since it's included on the pass why not climb it and walk on the glass floor?

Because you still have too much on your sightseeing list for your short time frame and unless there is something compelling in a particular place you should not try to work it in just because it is covered by the pass. It may work out cheaper for you not to get the pass if you compare the pass cost to the entry fees of the sites you really want to enter.

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Sites I really want to enter cost around 50, but I will have to find something to do after the Abbey closes at 16:30. The War Rooms, while I'm not a WWII nut is still an interesting historic place and it's conveniently located, so adding 5 bucks to get the pass and this attraction for free is worth it even if I skip climbing the bridge.

I'll see how it goes, If I feel I have time to climb it and be at the pier by 13:30, I will. How much of a hassle is it to climb? Are the lines big? Is the lift slow? Can you go up and down anytime as you please?