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Input Needed on Last-Minute London/York Plan

We had to cancel our long-awaited trip to France due to a covid rebound, but we are better now. Rebooking that trip would be very expensive, but I have found reasonable flights to London and would appreciate feedback on the following plan, followed by some questions.

Arrive London 10:30 am Sunday October 15, and take the train to York
6 nights in York, likely staying at Clementine's Townhouse Hotel
We will not rent a car on this trip. We plan at least two day trips: North York Moors Railroad to Whitby (will take a bus or taxi to Pickering), and a mini-van tour of the Yorkshire Dales.

Train to London Saturday October 21
6 nights in London, likely staying at Ember Locke in Kensington

We visited London for a week in 1999, so we don't feel like we have to try to see everything. Tentative plans include the following if we have time:
Visit the Victoria and Albert Museum (we have not been), revisit the National Gallery or British Museum (we will reserve), revisit St. Paul's Cathedral (we will reserve), revisit Westminster Abbey (we will reserve), go to afternoon tea at one of the places recommended on the forum, go to one or two plays, and take some walks (guided and unguided). It appears that reservations for the sites I mention can usually be done a day or two in advance, so we base final decisions on the weather forecast.

My main questions are:

1) How does this look overall?

2) If we were to do a third day trip by train from York, what would you recommend? Durham? Try to find a walk in the Yorkshire Dales that we can get to by public transit (we like easy hiking)? Other?

3) If we arrive at London Heathrow at 10:30 am, for what time should we book our tickets from King's Cross to York? This late, is there any advantage to booking ahead, or should we just book when we arrive? I'm having a hard time telling if we could change to a later train if we miss our train. Any advice greatly appreciated.

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6 nights in York is a long time so I think you do have time for a 3rd daytrip. I enjoyed Durham and it was easy to get to by train.

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Re- The train to York on Sunday- advance fares (tied to a specific train) are currently running at £67.50.

A walk up fare, valid on any train, is £68.40.

So no point to booking ahead now. Just get to Kings Cross, then buy a ticket there for the first available train- two or three trains per hour. Takes all the stress out of it.

If you take a Coastliner bus to Pickering it will cost the princely sum of £2 each, each way, and you get wonderful views from the upper deck of the double decker bus- https://passenger-line-assets.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/transdevblazefield/YCD/840-timetable-20230709-74369b23.pdf

Durham is dead easy to do- multiple trains per hour.

Thirsk for the James Herriot Museum is another idea- there are regular trains but the station is 1 1/2 miles out of town- better to use the bus- another one which is £2 each way. The bus stops right outside the Clementine Town House.

Or take a train every 30 minutes to the spa town of Harrogate, or to lovely Knaresborough (which featured heavily in the recent movie Paddington 2- about Paddington Bear's adventures. Harrogate has Betty's tea rooms. Both have walking possibilities.

You can actually walk along the River Ouse from Central York- river walk so flat- the 4 miles or so to Naburn is one possibility. Walk one way, bus the other.
Take the bus #42 out (goes to Selby) as it only runs every 2 hours- walk back in.

For your London sights the day before will be ample to book at this time of year- St Pauls and the British Museum you really don't even need to book

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Actually looking at the train fares a week on Saturday they are much the same so, when you arrive at Kings Cross- just buy an Off Peak Return each for £120.

It is valid on all trains each way, each way. Make a reservation for a week Saturday at any stage at York during the week, when your plans are firmed up.

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Thank you Mary--I've heard good things from others about Durham.

And isn31c, thank you for exactly the info I needed about train tix, getting to Pickering, and the other day trip ideas.

I just bought tickets for a minibus tour of the Yorkshire Dales through the RS-recommended BobHolidays.

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Durham is well worth a visit from York. It is a very compact city and easily explorable on foot. It's about 20 minute walk from the Railway Station to the Cathedral and Castle. Alternatively there is the cathedral shuttle service which runs every 20 minutes. Check out guided tours of the Cathedral and Castle. Do go in the cathedral museum with the the displays of the relics of St Cuthbert. There are also some lovely walks along the river banks and in October the trees will be changing colour too.

A bit further to walk is the Oriental Museum - also worth visiting.

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I was just thinking- with that level of train fare you should get a Two Together Railcard to save 1/3 off rail fares- digitally on line- or in person at Kings Cross if website/payment issues. It will only take 5 minutes to issue in person. If doing it in person take passport style (not passport quality) photos with you.
https://www.twotogether-railcard.co.uk/

It costs £30, your train fares (without any side trips while in York) are about £240 for the two of you, so you save, in the round £80.

Thus a net saving of at least £50.