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Help with 15-day England itinerary

I have 15 days in England and plan to travel without a car. I cannot figure out how to get to Lake District (Keswick) from Stratford Upon Avon. I also need direction on how to get to York from Lake District. After York, I like to visit Cambridge before going to London. Please help me make decisions on what type of public transportation to use and which city or town can be a better base. Thank you.

Day 1 - Heathrow (bus) to Windsor
Day 2 - train to Bath (late evening)
Day 3 - Bath
Day 4 - Bath
Day 5 - Bath (take a full-day tour to Stonehenge)
Day 6 - Bath (take a full-day tour to Cotswolds)
Day 7 - train to Moreton in Marsh
Day 8 - Moreton in Marsh
Day 9 - bus to Stratford Upon Avon
Day 10 - Stratford Upon Avon
Day 11
Day 12
Day 13
Day 14
Day 15
Day 16 - Eurostar to Paris

Posted by
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Normally I would direct you to Oxenholme station in the southern Lake District but the main road leading from there up to Keswick was washed out by a storm in December and I'm not sure what is happening with the bus service that normally runs on this route. I'll try to find out from friends who live there. It doesn't look like the road is going to be repaired any time soon.
For now, I recommend taking the train to Penrith, east of Keswick (you'll need to change in Birmingham and Preston), and then taking the 888 bus which goes directly to central Keswick. It has always been a quicker route but not quite as beautiful - but I think now it is the better way to go due to the damage to the road.
We've been going to the Lake District for years and Keswick is absolutely the best choice in our opinion. It isn't quite as crowded with tourists as some of the other towns further to the south in the national park and the setting can't be beat. There is great local bus service from town to anywhere you want to go in the area. We have frequently stayed at the Herdwick House B&B and really enjoyed it.

Posted by
2599 posts

This site is very good for telling you bus routes. >http://www.traveline.info

However, www.nationalrail.co.uk is the best site for finding trains & fares. On longer journeys, it pays to book in advance specific trains (like 11 weeks) but even purchasing the day before saves money.

If you are going from Stratford-upon-Avon to Penrith by train, you will probably find it cheapest to pay on the day from Stratford-upon-Avon to Birmingham & then pre-book with Virgin Trains from Birmingham (New Street) to Penrith - then bus to Keswick. (I would spend an hour or two having a wander around central Birmingham).

When you go from Bath to MIM, you will pass through Oxford. I think it would be silly to pass through this historic city and not see it. I would advance purchase BTH > OXF train ticket from:> https://www.gwr.com/?gclid=cjyg8yte58ocfuiegwodp7akqq. Have a look at Oxford and then back to the station for a pay on the day ticket to MIM.

To get from Penrith to York by train, you will need to change at Manchester (Piccadilly = main station). You will save a massive amount of money by pre-booking specific trains Penrith > Man & Man >YRK. Goodness knows why it is so expensive to buy one through ticket - but that is the madness of British rail pricing.

However, another way of getting from Penrith to York is to leave Penrith & head north to Carlisle (change) and then across to Newcastle (NCL) where you change to head south to York. A pay on the day single from Penrith to Carlisle is £7.50 but some trains are priced at £3.50 if you buy in advance - even the day before. I see a through Advance purchase single for CAR > YRK via a change at Newcastle can be purchased for £24. This departs Carlisle at 9.43 on a Scotrail train. Otherwise, it looks like a pay on the day £22.90 from Carlisle to Newcastle & then an Advance purchase specific train NCL > YRK which can be purchased as low as about £12. If doing this, it might be worth having a look at Newcastle en-route - though I have not been to this city recently.

Here is a 3rd way of getting from Penrith to York. Take a train to Carlisle (as described above). Then CAR > LEEDS but tick for direct trains only on the National Rail website. You can get advance purchase tickets for £11.50 and this takes you via the scenic route over the moors. Then you san buy on the day a ticket from Leeds to York for about £13. If doing this route, you could take a taxi for about 5 miles from Penrith to Langwathby - which is on the same railway and thus cut out going north to Carlisle. Bus from Penrith to Appleby may be another possibility for picking up this rail route.

You may also like to know that Windermere (WDM) in the south Lakes has a rail connection and you can advance purchase a through ticket from here to York (change in Manchester) for about £15 to £20. As 'Anita' says below, the road between Keswick & Windermere has been damaged by floods - which explains why the bus service has been temporary closed. (Find places on Google Earth if not sure where they are).

I would consider going from the Lake District to Edinburgh for a couple of nights. Penrith to Edinburgh (PNR > EDB) takes only 1 hour 39 minutes & you can get fares at low as £10 with advance purchase specific trains. EDN to YRK takes around 2 hours 30 minutes - again - advance book specific trains.

You can get from York to Cambridge with 1 change at Peterborough. (It might be worth checking for a split ticket price at this point).

Posted by
7175 posts

Cheltenham offers better connections to/and from the Cotswolds, with direct services to Bath and York.
Look at perhaps changing your order, and making Cambridge a day trip from London at the end of your trip.
Find 2 versions of the National Rail map here ... http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/maps.aspx

1 Arrive Heathrow and to Windsor (1)
2 Windsor to Bath (3)
3 Bath
4 Day to Salisbury and Stonehenge
5 Bath via Cheltenham to Cotswolds (2)
6 Cotswolds
7 Cotswolds (Cheltenham) to York (2)
8 York
9 York via Oxenholme to Lake District (2) (change trains at Manchester)
10 Lake District
11 Lake District (Oxenholme) to Stratford-upon-Avon (3) (change trains at Birmingham)
12 Stratford-upon-Avon
13 Day to Oxford
14 Stratford-upon-Avon to London (2)
15 Day to Cambridge
16 London to Paris by Eurostar

Posted by
3398 posts

Hi again Emma...
I heard back from my friends in the Lake District and they told me that the through bus service up the A591, from Windermere up to Keswick, has been scheduled to start Tuesday, Feb. 16. The temporary bridge and road should be finished by then. You can take the bus from Windermere up to Grasmere. From there you take a shuttle the rest of the way to Keswick. It's 5 pounds return fare from Grasmere to Keswick and back.
Here is the new timetable starting on Tuesday.
If that sounds like too much trouble the just go to Keswick from Penrith!